Post-Game Talk: Habs lose 2 of 2 in Alberta

[austin316]

100% agree…..how could anyone miss a guy who is -29? I certainly don’t. I’d rather run Beck out there and not whine about losing Dach.

I’m hopeful he can still be a valuable piece for us moving forward. But I feel that will be on the third line (and second wave of the PP) playing on the wing. Nothing wrong with that, I think he can still contribute ~50 points in that role but it’s crystal clear he is not a solution at 2C for us.

 

[LaP]

Call up Mailloux and he will be exposed and will lose what ever remaining market value this player has. Regrettably, Mailloux, of today, has provided no indication that he can be an effective, everyday, NHL level defenceman. Not even close.

With that proposed defensive corps comprised of three players ( Savard, Xhekaj, Mailloux) who possess limited mobility, the Canadiens would be spending most of the game pinned in their zone in distress mode. We need more mobility, not less.

That projected defence would be the ultimate wet dream for the many unending tankers here.

if he remains in the AHL longer he'll lose his value anyway. Good players rarely spend 3 years in the AHL. For Mailloux it's either they believe in him or trade him next summer. If they keep him another season in the AHL he'll be worthless.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

if he remains in the AHL longer he'll lose his value anyway. Good players rarely spend 3 years in the AHL. For Mailloux it's either they believe in him or trade him next summer. If they keep him another season in the AHL he'll be worthless.

Agreed. Mailloux and Roy are at the play or trade stage.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

They need fanatics sacrificing their first unborn child for a successful playoff race, that's what they need!

Among Habs' fans, one of the more rational responses.

 

[TomKosto]

Agreed. Mailloux and Roy are at the play or trade stage.

Are they worth anything good right now? Maybe it’s better to keep them.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Are they worth anything good right now? Maybe it’s better to keep them.

Yes they are good assets. I'm just not sure that they're going to make it here because I don't know where they slot in.

Roy in my opinion would be better suited to be paired with an established center/winger. We are a young team and I don't see a spot for him here any longer. This was the year for him to audition and it passed him by. Next year we're looking for the playoffs. This is the last year of phase one of the rebuild. Next year begins phase two - making the playoffs consistently. That's the goal and it's going to become a lot harder for younger players to audition for roles. So, as much as I love his potential and wish we could've just played him this year - it didn't happen and now we have to make a decision.

Similar situation for Mailloux. He's probably less NHL ready than Roy is. Defensively he's weak but he's got a great shot. Problem is that we're already bringing on board Reinbacher. That would leave Carriere as the only experienced blueliner if we replaced Savard with Mailloux. Does it make sense to do this? To me that looks like a lot of inexperience to have on the blueline. I'm not sure that it's the smart play and I think we're probably going to look at getting another vet to prop things up. We'll see.

 

[viceroy]

Yeah that’s right, we’ll get rid of them and not replace them

What a stupid post

Right back atcha sonny boy. Let's just unload our 2nd line and conjure up a couple of 2nd liners outta the ether. The kind of suggestion a 12yr old fan makes.

Where the hell are the veterans like Newhook and Armia not to mention Dvorak who was horrid with his three and probably more giveaways.

What kills me is the main reason we didn't trade Dvorak is because he's best buds with Caufield. In the same vein as drafting Mesar because he was best buds with Slafkovsky.

Your captain has come to you saying he wants help. Hughes split the difference and kept things as is. I don't have a problem with that.

Actually the captain said he did NOT want help if it cost them someone from the roster.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Right back atcha sonny boy. Let's just unload our 2nd line and conjure up a couple of 2nd liners outta the ether. The kind of suggestion a 12yr old fan makes.

Did I miss the section of the NHL rule book that makes us the only team not allowed to make trades or sign UFAs?

 

[vokiel]

Hughes split the difference here between buyer and seller. I think he’d have preferred to be a seller but given his captain’s desire for competing he refrained. Essentially Savard, Armia etc… are rentals for us.

It's fine that they didn't sell, but if Savard, Armia, Dvorak were our rentals that means the roster was already passed atrophied. Who are our black aces now?? Nobody! The fact that they didn't pick up some UFAs to ensure a proper roster size for the stretch is moronic. Zetterlund and Sturm would have been perfect.

... And at the same time they complain about having to empy Laval!

 

[ChesterNimitz]

if he remains in the AHL longer he'll lose his value anyway. Good players rarely spend 3 years in the AHL. For Mailloux it's either they believe in him or trade him next summer. If they keep him another season in the AHL he'll be worthless.

Anyone with a pair of eyes can see the limited value that Mailloux has as a potential NHL defenceman. The time to have traded Mailloux was at the end of last season when Mailloux's limitations were masked by his gawdy statistics. Once again showing the benefits of trading a player one year too early than one year too late. I'm afraid that with respect to Mailloux, at least as an NHL defenceman, that ship has sailed.

 

[TomKosto]

Yes they are good assets. I'm just not sure that they're going to make it here because I don't know where they slot in.

Roy in my opinion would be better suited to be paired with an established center/winger. We are a young team and I don't see a spot for him here any longer. This was the year for him to audition and it passed him by. Next year we're looking for the playoffs. This is the last year of phase one of the rebuild. Next year begins phase two - making the playoffs consistently. That's the goal and it's going to become a lot harder for younger players to audition for roles. So, as much as I love his potential and wish we could've just played him this year - it didn't happen and now we have to make a decision.

Similar situation for Mailloux. He's probably less NHL ready than Roy is. Defensively he's weak but he's got a great shot. Problem is that we're already bringing on board Reinbacher. That would leave Carriere as the only experienced blueliner if we replaced Savard with Mailloux. Does it make sense to do this? To me that looks like a lot of inexperience to have on the blueline. I'm not sure that it's the smart play and I think we're probably going to look at getting another vet to prop things up. We'll see.

I have a hard time thinking others teams would pay a lot for guys that dont make this Habs teams. Both have huge flaws, especially Mailloux as a dman. I’m not saying they would clear waivers, but IMO we are not getting great value in a trade. Probably others projects from a different team. Let Hugo cook I guess.

 

[LaP]

Anyone with a pair of eyes can see the limited value that Mailloux has as a potential NHL defenceman. The time to have traded Mailloux was at the end of last season when Mailloux's limitations were masked by his gawdy statistics. Once again showing the benefits of trading a player one year too early than one year too late. I'm afraid that with respect to Mailloux, at least as an NHL defenceman, that ship has sailed.

That's assuming NHL GMs are good. Half of them are pretty bad. Dorion was less knowledgeable than couple of guys here.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I have a hard time thinking others teams would pay a lot for guys that dont make this Habs teams. I’m not saying they would clear waivers, but IMO we are not getting great value in a trade. Probably others projects from a different team. Let Hugo cook I guess.

I think you'd see them packaged together or with something else. Matheson for example. Imagine a rebuilding team that's starting over and having a couple of NHL ready young players ready to step in. Or you may have an older team that wants to inject new blood but not do a full on rebuild.

Roy especially is a player I want to keep. But not if we're going to stick him in the bottom six wasting away with grinders. That's what I see happening here. He'd be awesome in Pittsburgh if they don't want to rebuild. He could go to a contending team that has an open slot...

Here? Where does he fit? If we have Demidov and Laine on line two then it's Heineman/Evans... maybe he goes there. I'd be cool with that. But we've got all kinds of other players right now. I'm just now sure where he slots. Same with Mailloux.

 

[teamfirst]

Did I miss the section of the NHL rule book that makes us the only team not allowed to make trades or sign UFAs?

Wait, didn't you get the memo.......this was not the year to improve our team AND if nothing is done this summer gonna be beceause trade are hard this is not playstation......and comes TDL 2026 if nothing is done it will be beceause......well you know.

Patience patience sacrament

 

[TomKosto]

I think you'd see them packaged together or with something else. Matheson for example. Imagine a rebuilding team that's starting over and having a couple of NHL ready young players ready to step in. Or you may have an older team that wants to inject new blood but not do a full on rebuild.

Roy especially is a player I want to keep. But not if we're going to stick him in the bottom six wasting away with grinders. That's what I see happening here. He'd be awesome in Pittsburgh if they don't want to rebuild. He could go to a contending team that has an open slot...

Here? Where does he fit? If we have Demidov and Laine on line two then it's Heineman/Evans... maybe he goes there. I'd be cool with that. But we've got all kinds of other players right now. I'm just now sure where he slots. Same with Mailloux.

I don’t think Matheson is going anywhere. He seems to get a lot of hate right now but we wont get a better player in return even if you add a mid asset like Mailloux. Hope I’m wrong. IMO Mailloux is too shitty in his zone to be a regular NHL dman, pretty sure other teams see it too.
Like someone said, time to trade him was last year, made no progression this year.

I would give Roy one last chance at camp next year, can be a usefull 3rd liner IMO.

 

[viceroy]

It was a good road game by the group as a whole.

7 shots on net by the midway point in the game amigo.

Newhook and Strubble were two of our better players last night.

How has Newhook been since we've gotten him? Why haven't we unloaded him while he still had value? How much did he cost us? Paul Byron was twice the player when we got him and he was a waiver wire pick up. Why was Struble not getting reps in the AHL?

Both were drafted high. Avs has nothing but positives to say about Newhook.
No one "stayed away" from either player.

I'm not judging them as human beings but as hockey players. Everyone said Dach was injury-prone which has been proven correct. Everyone said Newhook couldn't thread the needle which has also been proven true, guy can skate but can't score.

...your complaints seem to ignore the simple reality that the roster KH & MSL are working with is still bloated with terrible value vets signed to bad contracts by the previous regime.

What are you on about now? It's been multiple years since they took over. They could've unloaded Anderson but as we see he still has his uses. Gallagher no but he's still a great leader and example. Dvorak is our best face-off guy, Armia is a linchpin for our PK and Savard was a vet that was needed. Shiat remember when the Habs had FIVE rookies on our d-core?

All these guys were kept for various reasons. They were choices made by H+G. Stop blaming Bergevin, take responsibility.

Anything more than a 1-2 game call up would be brutal for both Florian and the Habs at this point.

I said a taste, which would mean a very short stint. Wouldn't mind seeing Davidson either. Like that guy a lot.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

That's assuming NHL GMs are good. Half of them are pretty bad. Dorion was less knowledgeable than couple of guys here.

Apparently, we have higher standards.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

That's assuming NHL GMs are good. Half of them are pretty bad. Dorion was less knowledgeable than couple of guys here.

No way to know how good Dorion was and how much the late owner interfered with moves.

 

[viceroy]

Did I miss the section of the NHL rule book that makes us the only team not allowed to make trades or sign UFAs?

Jebus. You just hand wave away our second line and then expect other teams to just gift us with better players? So amigo, what players and for what assets? Sam Bennett as a UFA maybe? You cool with paying 8-9 mil for a guy that gets 40-something points?

Wait, didn't you get the memo.......this was not the year to improve our team AND if nothing is done this summer gonna be beceause trade are hard this is not playstation...

Okay then hermano, who for what? Once again I'm not saying no to trades but just waving away our second line and expecting to get better like we were just creating players out of thin air on NHL 2019 is... puerile.

Roy especially is a player I want to keep. But not if we're going to stick him in the bottom six wasting away with grinders. That's what I see happening here. He'd be awesome in Pittsburgh if they don't want to rebuild. He could go to a contending team that has an open slot...

Here? Where does he fit? 'm just now sure where he slots. Same with Mailloux.

Their fault. Roy was expected to come in and then proceeded to crap the bed. Mailloux? same deal. We unloaded Kovacevic to make room and Reinbacher got injured and STILL Mailloux failed miserably.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Their fault. Roy was expected to come in and then proceeded to crap the bed. Mailloux? same deal. We unloaded Kovacevic to make room and Reinbacher got injured and STILL Mailloux failed miserably.

I don't care about fault. I care about what to do next.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Jebus. You just hand wave away our second line and then expect other teams to just gift us with better players? So amigo, what players and for what assets? Sam Bennett as a UFA maybe? You cool with paying 8-9 mil for a guy that gets 40-something points?

Yes, I expect teams to gift us better players

We have a million picks to trade plus prospects like Mailloux, Beck, Roy, etc

Can you make one post that isn’t full of ridiculous hyperbole or do you actually not know how trades work?

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Hugo said they wanted to be in the mix this season and they have been. Mission accomplished, now they will make moves in the offseason and probably hope to compete next year. Quit crying, rebuilding is a process that includes ups AND downs. They don't owe you trades at the deadline so you can be entertained.

 

[HabsMD97]

Mailloux will be traded this summer and Reinbacher makes the team next October.

We just need to replace Matheson with a RHD with mobility who provides more defensive stability.

Did you guys watched the game?? I couldn't. How was R.Andersson defensively?

Andersson is a RHD version of Matheson. Good offensively but not very good defensively. He can be your #4 on a strong defensive team which the habs are not. Habs need strong defensive defenceman.

 

[CharleyHorse]

Luckily for me. My magic 8 ball is on a roll these days. Knock yourself out. Go check my post history. I’m sure I have some duds but I’ve been saying since day one this team would be night and day with Laine in the lineup.

This whole streak since he showed up in December was mainly because of Laine. We never looked this good in almost a decade. We are a decent team because of him. Remove Laine from the lineup and we are a bottom feeding team yet again.

I don't need to check your past history, I have a good idea where you stand on Laine and McCaron-size hockey players. I am simply pointing out that the way Calgary forwards and their goalie played last night, I don't see where Laine would have scored, much less "easily" scored. It doesn't mean he would not have, but in all fairness, and part of it could be his injury, he's not shown a whole lot of above and beyond-level effort to getting to free pucks or stripping players of pucks - the type of drive required to score goals in a playoff-type game, the kind of game Calgary played last night.

 

[Benstheman]

Andersson is a RHD version of Matheson. Good offensively but not very good defensively. He can be your #4 on a strong defensive team which the habs are not. Habs need strong defensive defenceman.

Absolutely not like Matheson.