Guys that bet on themselves and it backfired

[BigTomBomber]

Klingberg got a $7m consolation prize from the ducks (and made about $12m overall) but man…turning down ~$50m or whatever it was rumord for that has got to be tough

 

[tarheelhockey]

Coming off a very mid 22-42-64 season, a 28-year-old Elias Lindholm was reportedly offered $9M x 8 and declined.

He then proceeded to have a 15-29-44 season where he got traded to Vancouver who declined to bring him back.

Remarkably, he actually did recoup some of this value when Boston signed him to a (horrendous) 7 x $7.5M deal.

But still, that’s a $17.75M haircut for no good reason at all.

 

[Fig]

IIRC, Curtis Glencross went from refusing a 3 year (?) extension with the Flames due to regrets on his previous home town deal discount, traded to the Caps for a 2nd + 3rd at the TDL, flubbing two PTOs with the Leafs and Avs and being out of the league that next season.

Not the same loss as Klingberg and some of the others, but Klingberg and the others weren't immediately out of the league after losing out on a really good (in hindsight) contract.

 

[Giant Panda]

Klingberg got a $7m consolation prize from the ducks (and made about $12m overall) but man…turning down ~$50m or whatever it was rumord for that has got to be tough

Coming off a very mid 22-42-64 season, a 28-year-old Elias Lindholm was reportedly offered $9M x 8 and declined.

He then proceeded to have a 15-29-44 season where he got traded to Vancouver who declined to bring him back.

Remarkably, he actually did recoup some of this value when Boston signed him to a (horrendous) 7 x $7.5M deal.

But still, that’s a $17.75M haircut for no good reason at all.

Still baffles me that Peter Wallen gets to be players agents after both these stunning failures.

 

[Avs2022]

Whenever these types of posts come up, my first thought is to always look at the NHL's worst agent, Peter Wallen.

This is the guy that represented Klingberg when Klingberg turned down his big offer from Dallas.

This is the guy that represented Elias Lindholm when he turned down his big offer from Calgary.

This is the guy that got Hedman his contract, now Hedman makes less than 8 million a year.

This is the guy that butchered the negotiations with Rantanen and Colorado, Rantanen fired him after the Carolina trade.

He was fired by William Nylander, Filip Forsberg, Wennberg, Silferberg, OEL, Arvidsson, Marcus Johansson and H Lundqvist, all because he either blew contract negotiations or because the player was about to be traded.

My thought is to just look at any of his clients and you'll find a good answer to that question.

Rantenans agent is Andy Scott. Has been since the trade from the Avs to signing in Dallas and everything in between.

I'm pretty sure your wrong about Lindholm also. Wallen was his agent when he was traded to the Flames. But at the time of the extension being turned down with the Flames, he already had another agent.

 

[Schennanigans]

Dallas should be sending kilngberg a nice gift for him rejecting that offer. I can’t think of a team that made away like bandits like they did.

 

[MoneyManny]

Whenever these types of posts come up, my first thought is to always look at the NHL's worst agent, Peter Wallen.

This is the guy that represented Klingberg when Klingberg turned down his big offer from Dallas.

This is the guy that represented Elias Lindholm when he turned down his big offer from Calgary.

This is the guy that got Hedman his contract, now Hedman makes less than 8 million a year.

This is the guy that butchered the negotiations with Rantanen and Colorado, Rantanen fired him after the Carolina trade.

He was fired by William Nylander, Filip Forsberg, Wennberg, Silferberg, OEL, Arvidsson, Marcus Johansson and H Lundqvist, all because he either blew contract negotiations or because the player was about to be traded.

My thought is to just look at any of his clients and you'll find a good answer to that question.

Team-friendly agent, i like him!

 

[Garbageyuk]

Victor Oladipo and Dennis Schroeder, definitely. Not NHL-related, but man, the numbers are insane

DeMarcus Cousins says hello. f***ed up an impending $209M, 4-year super max contract extension offer with bad behavior (the offer was rescinded), was instead traded to NOP, who had no interest in offering him a max contract - they offered him a 2-year, $40M deal instead. DeMarcus also turned that down, foolishly thinking he would get a max offer in free agency. Shortly after, he blew out his knee, and needless to say, that max offer never came. He earned just $12M in his entire career after all this.

 

[HanSolo]

Klingberg

Man did he ever throw away security

Even at post 5, it took way too long for him to be mentioned.

 

[McGarnagle]

DeMarcus Cousins says hello. f***ed up an impending $209M, 4-year super max contract extension offer with bad behavior (the offer was rescinded), was instead traded to NOP, who had no interest in offering him a max contract - they offered him a 2-year, $40M deal instead. DeMarcus also turned that down, foolishly thinking he would get a max offer in free agency. Shortly after, he blew out his knee, and needless to say, that max offer never came. He earned just $12M in his entire career after all this.

Nomar Garciaparra rejected a $60m extension in spring training 2004 and wouldn't come down off his number which I believe was $68m. He then got a shady injury in spring training, was miserable all year after returning, got traded at the deadline, could only get an $8m contract from the Cubs the next year, became injury prone and only made about $27m the rest of his career.

 

[Giant Panda]

Rantenans agent is Andy Scott. Has been since the trade from the Avs to signing in Dallas and everything in between.

I'm pretty sure your wrong about Lindholm also. Wallen was hig agent when he was traded to the Flames. But at the time of the extension being turned down with the Flames, he already had another agent.

turns out I was using information from a JFresh tweet that was wrong.

I did some digging through twitter.

Lindholm switched on 2020, Rantanen in what looks like 2018.

My bad. I'll remove the bad info.

 

[Paper]

Pinto

 

[Dr Pepper]

Maaaan, Klingberg's agent sure did him dirty.

 

[miscs75]

I’m too good to listen to my coach or follow any rules.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

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I’m too good to listen to my coach or follow any rules.

This guy is a clown for real

 

[miscs75]

This guy is a clown for real

That’s no way to talk about a guy who was Connor McDavid’s teammate and self proclaimed to be a better player.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Zadina is your answer.

(He‘s currently playing in the semifinals of the Swiss National League. His team, HC Davos, is down 2-1 to Zurich)

 

[Primary Assist]

Petri Kontiola, a really obscure name from over a decade ago. He basically had to buy himself out of his European contract for a shot in the NHL, and while an effective player overseas he just didn't have anywhere near the foot speed to be a Top 6 forward in the NHL. He toiled for a bit in the AHL before packing his bags and heading back to Europe.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

Pinto

I can't believe I had to scroll all the way to the middle of the second page to find this.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Nomar Garciaparra rejected a $60m extension in spring training 2004 and wouldn't come down off his number which I believe was $68m. He then got a shady injury in spring training, was miserable all year after returning, got traded at the deadline, could only get an $8m contract from the Cubs the next year, became injury prone and only made about $27m the rest of his career.

What was shady about it again? I just remember him going from Boston hero to zero real quick.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I know this is a hockey discussion, but I feel like the thread would be lacking without mentioning former NFLer Le'veon Bell.

He was among the best Runningbacks in the NFL with Pittsburgh. After his rooked contract the Steelers used something called the "Franchise Tag" which allows a team to retain a player for one more year at a set salary and prevents them from being a Free Agent. Pittsburgh did this twice with Le'Veon while they were unable to agree to a salary.

Pittsburgh offered Bell a 5 year $70M contract with a $10m signing bonus and $10 roster bonus. Bell turned this down. They attempted to franchise tag him again (for a $14.5M 1-year deal), but he refused to play and sat out the entire 2018 season.

He ended up signing with the New York Jets (who were among the worst teams in the league) for significantly less than Pittsburgh offered. He struggled to perform in NY and ended up finishing his career on a one-year $1M contract with Kansas City.

Later on in retirement he admitted to making a foolish and petty mistake which cost him a TON of money, his reputation, and the possibility to continue to be a top player in the league.

 

[Faterson]

Victor Oladipo and Dennis Schroeder, definitely. Not NHL-related

Indeed. Never heard the names, and I'd be hard-pressed to guess the sport in which they are active.

 

[BobCole]

A favorite of mine is Anson Carter.

Was a career 20-ish goal guy before signing a $1M/1yr deal with Vancouver where he fired off 33 goals alongside the Sedins. The rumor is that the Canucks offered him a raise from $1M to $1.7M, with Carter asking for $9M over three years. He went to free agency and signed a 1-year, $2.5M deal with Columbus. He was traded mid-season and never signed another NHL deal.

 

[K1984]

Ya, he was a self-destructive turd until Buffalo gifted him 6.5 mil to act like an elitist prick with Jack (and somehow Bogosian) until they all f***ed off to elsewhere. He fired his agent, and I will kinda buy that his agent was blowing smoke up his ass regarding value. Can’t really tell the guy “but you’re a prick, so no one will commit.”

And the LeBanc one is funny, because I called it as soon as it happened. Sharks were cap crunched, favor to the team, and he was actually improving up until that 1 year deal. Then he cratered, glad he got paid all the same.

For an off the board pick- Tim Kennedy, Sabres. Got offered league minimum or close to it, took the Sabres to arbitration, and got awarded 200k more as a result. Sabres then just didn’t sign him, he went to the rags for a bit, then overseas. Not a perfect fit, but I find it funny, and actually liked Kennedy- but one move tanked his only real shot at the NHL.

Players and agents need to be careful when they obtain arb rights. Can you get a better deal by leveraging it? Maybe, but you risk the team walking and having to start over, getting traded, or being temporarily overpaid which is nice, but at the same time the team is trying to dump you and your market value is minimal.

It's easy for me to say because I'm not the one taking the discount on possibly my first payday opportunity, but they would be much better served building momentum in their career before demanding the cash. Yamamoto is the poster boy for this in Edmonton. Had a 20 goal season, good player, but inconsistent and not a finished product. Signs a 2 year for $3M AAV, pressure mounts when he has a poor start, has a terrible year, bought out, now an AHL/NHL tweeter journeyman. Desharnais too, took the cash and now has limited his career.

These examples are the opposite of the thread question, but sometimes players need to bet on themselves rather than taking the highest AAV they can squeeze. Other than for the top end players, I feel like this turns out bad more often than not.

 

[McGarnagle]

What was shady about it again? I just remember him going from Boston hero to zero real quick.

It was probably legit but everyone thought he was milking it because he was sulking over his contract situation and some other drama with the team that off-season (they tried to trade him for A-Rod and Kevin Millar shot his mouth off on the radio about how they were excited to get A-Rod because he's better than Nomar, then the MLBPA vetoed the trade and Nomar had to go back into that clubhouse). Sometime in Spring Training he happened to strain his Achilles, which nobody saw happen and a lot of people questioned given the circumstances. Didn't help that when he came back he would take games off, most notably the one where Jeter dove into a chair to make a catch while Nomar's sitting on the bench sulking.

It was a toxic time in Boston for sure. I miss Nomar, he was a great player on a HOF track then seemingly overnight everything just crumbled and he's gone.