Michael Farkas
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That's fairly straightforward...proper talent evaluation is the answer.How does one determine that one scored a lot of points only because they were on a great team?
That's fairly straightforward...proper talent evaluation is the answer.How does one determine that one scored a lot of points only because they were on a great team?
Well that seem an unfair way to put it, has he his certainly under that ppg because of his old age + 24 games as a rookie.Jagr is a sub-ppg player in the playoffs. And the wild thing? He's not really pulled down by his late career as much as you'd think. He doesn't have a ton of GP (at least as not as much as you'd expect given career length), but he's at best a "meh, he's fine" playoff performer.
Straightforward in clairvoyance yet ambiguous in human application, as people may disagree on proper talent evaluationThat's fairly straightforward...proper talent evaluation is the answer.
I get the then played a lot in the playoff and won a lot, but I am not sure how obvious scored a lot follow.due to the fact that he played for great teams, and therefore scored a lot in the playoffs, and won four Cups.
That's fairly straightforward...proper talent evaluation is the answer.
There's virtually nothing on paper that is "unreasonable to question" with regard to this game. The paper is trying to dumb down what happened in the game into bite sized pieces...but it rarely gets it quite right. Whether that's the case here or not, I'm not saying...but the idea that evaluating a player isn't on the table because of some number from 1976 is ludicrous.Is it unreasonable to question this when one player was the dominant offensive player for 7 straight seasons?
Where is the indication that Guy would not have put up the same numbers if he was on another team other than speculative opinion.
There's virtually nothing on paper that is "unreasonable to question" with regard to this game. The paper is trying to dumb down what happened in the game into bite sized pieces...but it rarely gets it quite right. Whether that's the case here or not, I'm not saying...but the idea that evaluating a player isn't on the table because of some number from 1976 is ludicrous.
I mean, maybe it's a correct representation of the player. Not saying it isn't...but if the work isn't being done, the answer won't present itself.
Sure...but also players on bad teams see that effect as well. The ol' "Bad Team Scorer" phenomenon. Good team? Bad team? You can generally remove team effects if you're evaluating the player...that's how you know or at least get a much better sense.Fair enough, the poster I was questioning seemed to imply that, in general, players on great teams see their numbers increase.
Bryan Trottier notes in his book that he thought Perreault was the most skilled player in the world in the 1981 Canada Cup.This is worth nothing, but I think I wrote somewhere here recently (while I'll going back through tape for the goalie project) that I wasn't sure that Lafleur was actually better than Perreault.
I've always felt that the following 3 players are untouchable all-time when it comes to ~5-6 years of consecutive play after the big 4:
Esposito
Lafleur
Jagr
No one in history has a better ~5-6 year stretch then them outside of the big 4. Some players have better overall careers, or better ~2-3 year peaks maybe, but for 5-6 years in a row, they are in a class apart.
I don't know off hand how I'd rank those 3 player's ~6 year peaks vs one another, but they are all 3 strong enough that I could see it go many different ways.
For what it's worth - McDavid may end up joining/surpassing this group. I wasn't really counting him since he's still current and adding, so will want to wait and see how his own ~5-6 year stretch stacks up. Good chance he'll surpass them.
Interesting. My thing about most games is I come in with a list of players I want to see (in this case, it was goalies, obviously, so it's a little different beast), so it takes a lot for a player to really stand out. Most of the games involving Buffalo, Perreault just consistently jumps off the page in an otherwise unbalanced league. He may well be the best forward of the 70's.Bryan Trottier notes in his book that he thought Perreault was the most skilled player in the world in the 1981 Canada Cup.
Unless you're only doing skaters, I'd add Hasek to your group (94-99), 5x Vezina, 2x Hart, 2x Pearson, 5x AS-1, 1-1-2-3-3 Hart finishes, 6x led the league in sv%
Maybe not relative to the nature of his position too.He's probably stronger for 2-3 years consecutive than 5-6 though.