LeBrun: Guentzel: Pens want prospects over picks - Carolina favorite

[Big Daddy Cane]

That is true about Chicago, but their centers showed up in the playoffs. Patrick Sharp had a really great playoffs in 2013 tbf. Also, if Carolina's centers could show up in the playoffs then it would be a different story.

Sharp played out of position Cup #1. Cup #2 was an aging Handzus between two great wingers, Kane and Sharp. Cup #3 was an aging Richards next to Kane.

The team could really use some pure goal scoring ability, or just an infusion of high end offensive talent in general. And I think the folks in charge wouldn't have built things they way they did, if they were that concerned about position.

 

[Empoleon8771]

First of all those are 2 completely different value that you have for Geuntzel

2x 1st and a 2nd >>>>>>>>> 1st and 2x 2nd

but for some reason you see them as similar.

The value between those two packages is not nearly that big. 2 1sts and a 2nd is roughly equal to a 1st and 3 2nds, compared to a 1st and 2 2nds of the other package.

Thats alot to mortgage for a team. We all know how this story will end. Nobody is going to offer that much, Team leaks there are multiple interested teams but in reality theres maybe 2 or so legit suitors, its going to come down to the deadline and Pens will take the best offer available rather than losing him for nothing at free agency. Its a story told every year.

It will be:

1st, top 5 team prospect, additional pick like a 2nd or 3rd etc..

We've seen this movie before, lets not pretend the ending will be different.

So you think that Guentzel will bring back even less than what the Canucks traded for Lindholm?

Canucks fans in this thread are hilarious. Let other people talk about what they'd trade for Guentzel.

Just as a reminder, the Canucks traded Kuzmenko, Jurmo, Brzustewicz, a 2024 1st and a 2024 3rd/4th for Lindholm like a month ago. But apparently Podkolzin, a 1st and a 3rd will be enough now, despite that literally being less than what they paid for Lindholm while Guentzel is also a substantially better player.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Rooting for Vancouver to get him but I think Vegas does, well because they’re Vegas and they must have their annual big fish.

But Vancouvers offense would be incredible.

Höglander - Pettersson - Mikheyev
Suter - Miller - Boeser
Guentzel - Lindholm - Garland
Bains - Blueger - Lafferty
X - Joshua, Kessel

 

[UrbanImpact]

I don't understand why Hoglander is considered a big piece? He is a small player who has significantly more goals than assists due to an extremely inflated shooting %, which is a huge warning sign imo.

When he comes back down to earth as far as shooting % we are talking about a player who has 20 points in 60 games. I guess it is about how people think he projects in the future. And for that, I am always very weary of players who have significantly more goals than assists. It just shows they are not a good team player and when the goals stop going in they don't contribute much to the team.

I do not see him as the centerpiece in a trade for Guentzel.

I doubt Hoglander would be the centrepiece for JG trade either. He is far too valuable to the Canucks.

Like i said , he is their most dangerous forward on many many nights and they need the value of his skills and production next year while he only makes 1.1 mil on the cap. Thats a huge value for a cup contending team as it obviously allows them to make their team stronger elswhere by spending the cap at other pressing needs.

Podkolzin and 1st will be the centre piece for JG.

 

[Ryder71]

I think the Oilers are out because Geuntzel has likely indicated that he wont re-sign there long term.

I would guess that EDM is on Jakes No trade list. Of course we don't have to disclose that.

 

[SEALBound]

The value between those two packages is not nearly that big. 2 1sts and a 2nd is roughly equal to a 1st and 3 2nds, compared to a 1st and 2 2nds of the other package.



So you think that Guentzel will bring back even less than what the Canucks traded for Lindholm?

Canucks fans in this thread are hilarious. Let other people talk about what they'd trade for Guentzel.

Just as a reminder, the Canucks traded Kuzmenko, Jurmo, Brzustewicz, a 2024 1st and a 2024 3rd/4th for Lindholm like a month ago. But apparently Podkolzin, a 1st and a 3rd will be enough now, despite that literally being less than what they paid for Lindholm while Guentzel is also a substantially better player.

Canucks would have been better off blowing their larger load on Guentzel and then circling around Calgary right now offering what they are offering us for Jake now.

Mikheyev, Wallander, 1st, 4th is the next iteration of that value that they have.

 

[Ryder71]

Just don’t see Edmonton going shopping for a rental winger who is going to want a big payday. I’d bet Vegas is the only realistic West team

VAN, They know him better than anyone. Have 8-10 PIT guys running and playing for that team.

 

[SEALBound]

Rooting for Vancouver to get him but I think Vegas does, well because they’re Vegas and they must have their annual big fish.

But Vancouvers offense would be incredible.

Höglander - Pettersson - Mikheyev
Suter - Miller - Boeser
Guentzel - Lindholm - Garland
Bains - Blueger - Lafferty
X - Joshua, Kessel

If that's the lineup, probably means it's Lekkerimaki coming our way so, I support this!

 

[Ryder71]

Canucks would have been better off blowing their larger load on Guentzel and then circling around Calgary right now offering what they are offering us for Jake now.

Mikheyev, Wallander, 1st, 4th is the next iteration of that value that they have.

Lekkerimaki would be who I'd want. Give up the quantity for the quality.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

Ok so let's match the Lindholm trade.

Mikheyev, Mynio, Gabrielson, 2025 1st, 4th.

I'll send the paperwork over!

 

[wej20]

Canucks unfortunately don’t have a lot of expendable assets for Guentzel after the Lindholm trade.

Penguin fans won’t like it, but the package will need to be some combination of 2025 1st round pick, Raty, Podkolzin, Woo, Klimovich, and maybe Elias Pettersson (defenceman). I totally understand them rejecting this type of offer.

We can’t give up Lekkerimaki or Willander because our prospect pool is already depleted and we need their ELCs when we lose depth over the next 2 seasons due to players getting raises as UFAs. Hoglander is also performing too well (25-30 goals) with a $1 mill cap hit next season. I would be agreeable to including him in a package, but I think he has alot more value to the Canucks compared to other teams.

Got any almost expired hot dog buns to go with Woo and Klimovich?

 

[UrbanImpact]

The value between those two packages is not nearly that big. 2 1sts and a 2nd is roughly equal to a 1st and 3 2nds, compared to a 1st and 2 2nds of the other package.



So you think that Guentzel will bring back even less than what the Canucks traded for Lindholm?

Canucks fans in this thread are hilarious. Let other people talk about what they'd trade for Guentzel.

Just as a reminder, the Canucks traded Kuzmenko, Jurmo, Brzustewicz, a 2024 1st and a 2024 3rd/4th for Lindholm like a month ago. But apparently Podkolzin, a 1st and a 3rd will be enough now, despite that literally being less than what they paid for Lindholm while Guentzel is also a substantially better player.

Flames ate a cap dump in Kuzmenko who has term on that said cap dump.

If Pens take Mikhayev (cap dump)

then the offer is probably along those base line...

1st 2025 = 1st 2024
Bruz = Podz ( IMO Podz makes a bigger impact than Bruz btw)
Jurmo will never be an NHL regular.
3rd or 4th.


so if Mikhayev is added then i think it will be Podz +Mikh+ 1st + 2nd + 4th for JG

 

[SEALBound]

Lekkerimaki would be who I'd want. Give up the quantity for the quality.

I would wince a smidge but if was the same thing as a Barbashev deal last year (Barbs for Zach Dean 1:1) - Lekkerimaki for Guentzel - I would ultimately be okay with it.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

If that's the lineup, probably means it's Lekkerimaki coming our way so, I support this!

Canucks take the risk, Guentzel would give this current Canucks roster another weapon and make them that much more dangerous.

I would love to see a 2nd line of Guentzel - Miller - Boeser. Would be lethal, Miller now has two snipers to dish the puck too. Scary.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Flames ate a cap dump in Kuzmenko who has term on that said cap dump.

If Pens take Mikhayev (cap dump)

then the offer is probably along those base line...

1st 2025 = 1st 2024
Bruz = Podz ( IMO Podz makes a bigger impact than Bruz btw)
Jurmo will never be an NHL regular.
3rd or 4th.


so if Mikhayev is added then i think it will be Podz +Mikh+ 1st + 2nd + 4th for JG

So the Penguins have to take a multi-year cap dump and get a shitty offer? Where do they sign??????

The Canucks just aren't going to get Guentzel if that's all they have to offer. Stop trying to convince Penguins fans otherwise. If that's all that Vancouver is offering, he's going to go to somewhere like Vegas or Florida.

 

[SEALBound]

Ok so let's match the Lindholm trade.

Mikheyev, Mynio, Gabrielson, 2025 1st, 4th.

I'll send the paperwork over!

Bet you would, lol.

Mynio and Gabrileson would have to be Lekkerimaki most likely. Maybe, possibly Willander.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Got any almost expired hot dog buns to go with Woo and Klimovich?

We need those for when we sign Kessel.

 

[Lawzy]

I don't understand why Hoglander is considered a big piece? He is a small player who has significantly more goals than assists due to an extremely inflated shooting %, which is a huge warning sign imo.

When he comes back down to earth as far as shooting % we are talking about a player who has 20 points in 60 games. I guess it is about how people think he projects in the future. And for that, I am always very weary of players who have significantly more goals than assists. It just shows they are not a good team player and when the goals stop going in they don't contribute much to the team.

I do not see him as the centerpiece in a trade for Guentzel.

I don't think the Canucks should trade Hoglander, nor do I think it's absurd to include him in a trade for Guentzel, but please refrain from assessing players you have clearly never seen play.


I don't think the Canucks have enough... I'll call them "sub-top tier" assets to acquire Guentzel. I highly doubt they are willing to move either of Willander or Lekkerimaki (nor should they) which leaves them with some combination of: Hoglander, Podkolzin, Raty, and picks. Podkolzin and Raty simply aren't good enough prospects (especially considering the Penguins prefer prospects to picks) to bridge the gap in our (possibly) late 1st and 2nd round picks next year. If Hoglander is that gap, I would hesitate significantly in making that deal and I would hope Allvin and JR would too.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

The report was that they wanted 2 prospects over 2 picks, but I think picks would also be included.

Bringing my post from the other Guentzel thread, these are my expectations for a rental Guentzel trade with some of the rumored teams:

-Vegas: Brisson, Korczak and a 2024 2nd
-Carolina: Nadeau, Koivunen and a 2024 2nd
-Vancouver: Hoglander, Raty and a 2025 1st
-Florida: Samoskevich, Sawchyn and a 2025 2nd

Vancouver gives up the best player, a likely top six forward and the only team that you include a 1st as well. from look. Ridiculous
I Thought we agreed on Lekkerimakki, Mikheyev and a pick for an extended Jake. I say extended because Van doesn't want a rental.

 

[thefutures]

Like I said, it's Canucks fans overrating Hoglander, not Penguins fans underrating Hoglander.

Yet your hellbent on getting hog in the return. Nice logic. Unsustainable shooting percent plus he's a midget don't know why you want him

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Sadly Vegas likely gets him because they're desperate for a top 6 guy right now.

Guentzel to Vegas for Amadio, 1st and 2nd.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yet your hellbent on getting hog in the return. Nice logic. Unsustainable shooting percent plus he's a midget don't know why you want him

The only reason I'm including Hoglander is that he's the only piece that makes sense if Guentzel is going to Vancouver. If Hoglander isn't included, Guentzel is extraordinarily likely to be going somewhere else.

Vancouver isn't the team I want to be dealing Guentzel to. Right now, Vegas and Carolina look like the better options to me.

Sadly Vegas likely gets him because they're desperate for a top 6 guy right now.

Guentzel to Vegas for Amadio, 1st and 2nd.

Not even remotely close.

 

[FerrisRox]

Yeah that's the cost for Vancouver to get Guentzel. That deal is right in line with the other 3 offers.

I don't want to rehash all of the Vancouver talk after the other Guentzel trade, but Canucks fans are going to be upset at the price they pay for Guentzel if they end up trading for Guentzel. They won't be able to beat other offers without including Hoglander.

Why are the Canucks paying so much more than the other teams?

Seems their price tag is much steeper. I don't get it.

 

[Ryder71]

I would wince a smidge but if was the same thing as a Barbashev deal last year (Barbs for Zach Dean 1:1) - Lekkerimaki for Guentzel - I would ultimately be okay with it.

But if we retain, and I suspect that we will then the price goes up. We're likely gonna have to take salary back.

Lekkerimaki, Mikeyev, and Raty or a conditional '25 2hd ( that becomes a 1st if VAN makes conference finals)

 

[Empoleon8771]

Why are the Canucks paying so much more than the other teams?

Seems their price tag is much steeper. I don't get it.

Again, I don't se that as "so much more". All of those deals are either a 1st and 2 2nds or 2 1sts and a 2nd in value in my eyes.

The only way I might change that Canucks offer to align it with the other ones more is changing their 2025 1st to a 2025 2nd.