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[Canucker]

I just disagree with this assessment of Myers fundamentally. During Myers tenures with VAN, he's had exactly one season where he's shown real top-four ability (last season). In Winnipeg, he largely played on the third pair. His underlying metrics have nearly always been pretty bad.

I don't get the "unique skillset". Is it unique that despite being 6'9 he's phenomenally bad at using his reach effectively? I guess so. There are multiple plays every game where he just gets stuck between engaging an attacker and literally just screening his goalie. He's 6'9! Get stick on puck!! What is the point of being that tall if it doesn't even help you set a gap?

Re-signing him was a mistake and was the only move of the offseason I didn't like from Allvin. My preference was 1. Don't resign, 2. One year deal, 3. Two year deal, 4. Ugh....

Pretty much totally agree with this...I think part of the problem is the coaching staff's complete inability to utilize (or recognize) Myers' weaknesses and strengths...I think they see the toolbox (size and skating ability), the character and the person everyone in the room seems to love and completely ignore his weaknesses...he should NOT be seen as a shutdown defender in any way shape or form, he should not be on the penalty kill whatsoever, he should not be on the ice in the last couple minutes trying to defend a lead...he's not that guy, yet he's consistently placed in that position, and that part is not on him.

 

[theguardianII]

Columbus doesn’t do that deal and that Boston deal is bad for us. Let alone the fact that that makes us 100x worse. 100 point centerman for a couple of bottom pairing dmen and 4th liners?

Boston doesn't lose, they will do whatever they have to.

This idea did start off as a 3 way trade but it can go either and Columbus really has a big problem in their market with the rebuild, then the GM stuff last year and this year Johnny passing then a new GM that is buddies with Rutherford.

Sacrificing what? Look at the changes in the line up, scorers for boards guys, checkers and then dependence upon the PP for scoring.

You might not think these are bad deals because you have faith that this is a good team but another couple of weeks and check it out then.

Look at the "room" stuff, Miller and Pettersson on the ice at practice stuff, Miller moody and benched stuff there is a lot going on in the background.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Boston doesn't lose, they will do whatever they have to.

This idea did start off as a 3 way trade but it can go either and Columbus really has a big problem in their market with the rebuild, then the GM stuff last year and this year Johnny passing then a new GM that is buddies with Rutherford.

Sacrificing what? Look at the changes in the line up, scorers for boards guys, checkers and then dependence upon the PP for scoring.

You might not think these are bad deals because you have faith that this is a good team but another couple of weeks and check it out then.

Look at the "room" stuff, Miller and Pettersson on the ice at practice stuff, Miller moody and benched stuff there is a lot going on in the background.

You proposed:

Vancouver - Boston, JT Miller, Juulsen for Zadoroz/Carlo/Peeke, Kastelic and Geekie

JT Miller, a top line center, pretty much 2 100 point seasons in the last 3 years, for bottom of the line up players. How does that make us better? Cmon

Columbus - Vancouver, Boeser and Garland for Jirieck, Johnson, Provorov and a 1st rnd pick.
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Columbus who’s on pace to finish bottom 5 for the 3rd consecutive year has no incentive of doing this. Boeser is a UFA and likely walks from Columbus . Garland isn’t worth Provorov alone and you expect them to add 2 quality young players and a 1st rounder.

 

[thecupismine]

^ if they want to retain 50% I’m open to it but I’d rather target someone that pushes our current guys down the lineup to their proper roles. Hronek is being relied on to be our 2 guy and he has been honestly underwhelming. A target like Hampus is one that you would ask how to make it work and make sense. A target like Pettersson who may not be up to snuff in the first pass department would spell disaster I think.

Other than Seravalli, who's dubious as best as a scout, where have there been reports on Petterson not having a good first pass? Every other report I've read points to the opposite, but I admittedly have not watched enough games on my own to have a stronger opinion either way.

 

[ManVanFan]

Some personal news. Canucks Army asked me to contribute and my first article was published this morning.

Congratulations. Clearly you and I think a lot like too.

I wanted Kesselring before he was traded to Arizona. When Edm traded him for Bjugstad, I wasn't too happy.
I thought Hayton needed waivers this year but I was wrong, thought he could have been fetched the same way Glass was, with a mid round pick coming Van's way.

I was actually thinking about some others this morning.

Jack Quinn from Buffalo. His game reminds me a lot of Boeser's but this year he has really turned into a terrible perimeter player. Tocchet could beat that out of him I'm sure.

In terms of Hronek, I thought of Matias Samuelsson also of Buffalo. With Byram due for a new contract, I can't see them paying 4 lefties that much. Signed for 3 more at 4.285. Small upgrade on Soucy is how I see him.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Mattias Samuelsson is injury prone, on a long-term deal, and way too risky for a slight upgrade on Soucy.

I'd try and rent Jokiharju for cheap if possible.

 

[Vector]

In terms of Hronek, I thought of Matias Samuelsson also of Buffalo. With Byram due for a new contract, I can't see them paying 4 lefties that much. Signed for 3 more at 4.285. Small upgrade on Soucy is how I see him.

I thought about Samuelsson earlier in the year but his injury history is a massive detriment. Then he got healthy scratched and injured again.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Myers, Desharnais, Forbort prob not going anywhere this season, myers not ever. We need them, especially for playoffs, if i told you 2 months ago the bottom pair would be brann - juulsen ppl would be begging for Forbort.
Half the teams in the league would take them to fill their own needs on defense.


Samuelsson is injured again and not an appreciable upgrade on Soucy (normally), we need the pre new contract, or a retained version.
Jiricek elc, Murphy, Kovacevic, Provorov, maybe Benoit who's a scratch lately.

 

[Vector]

The amount of people in the comments and on Facebook that don't understand that you weren't looking for an actual Hronek is concerning.

Media literacy is not most people's strong suit. I'm just glad people are reading it.

 

[theguardianII]

You proposed:

Vancouver - Boston, JT Miller, Juulsen for Zadoroz/Carlo/Peeke, Kastelic and Geekie

JT Miller, a top line center, pretty much 2 100 point seasons in the last 3 years, for bottom of the line up players. How does that make us better? Cmon

Columbus - Vancouver, Boeser and Garland for Jirieck, Johnson, Provorov and a 1st rnd pick.
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Columbus who’s on pace to finish bottom 5 for the 3rd consecutive year has no incentive of doing this. Boeser is a UFA and likely walks from Columbus . Garland isn’t worth Provorov alone and you expect them to add 2 quality young players and a 1st rounder.

Actually it was the defence and size I was looking at more, that and the term of contracts.
IMO if the team got back to being the 5th best defence instead of the 28th I would expect more wins. That and Miller will run down with the work load put on him here. There he is behind two other forwards Marchand and Pastrnak so less pressure to "THE MAN"

Boeser as a UFA will have a contract waiting for him with Minny but Columbus is fairly close to home also and they will have cap space. But they also have an issue with Jirieck and a surplus of young centers/forwards. They already pay over 20 mil on 4 defencemen

The caps pace gained is noteworthy.

This would be a retooling more than a rebuild because most of those coming back have NHL experience. I was an advocate for trading for Necas.

I also have the opinion that the core has been together long enough that is the team was keep improving they would have kept most of them together an if the defence is like it was last year and stout then it makes it easier on the forwards but then there is Tocchet's system so star level goal scorers are not a high priority.

The whole post was just a fantasy and they will not do anything until the color red is seen more in the arena, empty seats.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

fun fact: the day after we settled on sbisa as the dman coming back in the kesler trade (vs theodore, lindholm, vatanen, and manson), anaheim drafted both marcus pettersson and montour in the second round.

didn’t realize MP was so old, already ten years out from his draft.

 

[Jerry the great]

He was healthy scratched for like 6 straight games. You said yourself he's getting benched every game.

That's not good for development.

Perhaps i misread, i though you were suggesting they were still shuttling him back and forth between Columbus and Cleveland, which they aren't.

This year he's "earning" his playing time, which means he isn't getting much. Considering this players history of publicizing his discontent and without knowing why he isn't in the AHL, it's hard to say where fault lies currently.

 

[bossram]

Perhaps i misread, i though you were suggesting they were still shuttling him back and forth between Columbus and Cleveland, which they aren't.

This year he's "earning" his playing time, which means he isn't getting much. Considering this players history of publicizing his discontent and without knowing why he isn't in the AHL, it's hard to say where fault lies currently.

What I'm saying is, if they wanted to devise the optimal way to ruin their asset, that's what they're doing.

 

[ManVanFan]

I thought about Samuelsson earlier in the year but his injury history is a massive detriment. Then he got healthy scratched and injured again.

His health is certainly a concern. (You did put Dach in there who has also been often very injured) Hard to believe in the scratches when the team is as bad as Buffalo is, half that team should be scratched from game to game. He obviously wouldn't be the same sort of game changer like Hronek was but the price would be a lot less. Van shouldn't be giving up that much. Only reason they could spend that much on Hronek was because of giving up something worth as much Horvat right.

I secretly wanted Lekkerimaki to develop much more in the AHL before he got called up and then trade Garland for a D. (I don't have the same intense love for Garland as others have). His value is more like Horvat's to me, better served on another team.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Elliotte Friedman's hairstyle designed and sponsored by Bell Helicopters.

If someone told me Friedman wears a space jacket to protect himself from electromagnetism like Chuck McGill in Better Call Saul I would believe them

 

[ManVanFan]

What I'm saying is, if they wanted to devise the optimal way to ruin their asset, that's what they're doing.

They should have him down in the minors on a pairing with Denton. Next year they can come up and know each other really well. Denton having quite the start 16 points in 15 games.

 

[ManVanFan]

fun fact: the day after we settled on sbisa as the dman coming back in the kesler trade (vs theodore, lindholm, vatanen, and manson), anaheim drafted both marcus pettersson and montour in the second round.

didn’t realize MP was so old, already ten years out from his draft.

To compare, he’s been hit 182 more times than Letang since the start of 2021-22.
So exactly how many times has Pettersson been hit since 2018-19 — the year that the Penguins traded for him? It is a whopping 1,164 hits, per Natural Stat Trick.
Nick Jensen is second with 1,014 hits taken. Charlie McAvoy ranks third at 962.

Might explain some of the durability issues he has had for many years. Last year was his first ever full season.

 

[theguardianII]

You proposed:

Vancouver - Boston, JT Miller, Juulsen for Zadoroz/Carlo/Peeke, Kastelic and Geekie

JT Miller, a top line center, pretty much 2 100 point seasons in the last 3 years, for bottom of the line up players. How does that make us better? Cmon

Columbus - Vancouver, Boeser and Garland for Jirieck, Johnson, Provorov and a 1st rnd pick.
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Columbus who’s on pace to finish bottom 5 for the 3rd consecutive year has no incentive of doing this. Boeser is a UFA and likely walks from Columbus . Garland isn’t worth Provorov alone and you expect them to add 2 quality young players and a 1st rounder.

Well it is out now. Keep watching.

Retooling to start very soon

 

[Jerry the great]

What I'm saying is, if they wanted to devise the optimal way to ruin their asset, that's what their doing.

That's obviously not knowable with the limited info we have, but considering his festivus routine last year, his "agent provocateur" is exactly the type who would say NHL or trade me. He's had long stretches of time to work the deficiencies out of his game, but he just hasn't been able to do it.

Maybe he was misevaluated as a player (from bobs list):

6. David Jiricek: The Czech missed a good chunk of this season with a knee injury suffered at the World Junior Championship, but the 6-foot-3 blueliner has the size, bite, and physical tools to play a shutdown role. He’s viewed by some scouts as limited offensively, but in a draft filled with sub-6-foot puck movers, Jiricek’s size and physical approach stand out. His skating is good but not great, and he projects as solid top-four defenceman who, like Nemec, could be a 2-3. He was ranked as high as No. 5 and as low as No. 12 in our scouting survey.


The reality is he's not good defensively at either the AHL level, or the NHL level and he's stuck behind Werenski and soon to be leap frogged by Mateychuck when it comes to PPQB (which is what he sees himself as). Maybe he just needs a change of scene, but unless it comes with a massive attitude adjustment, i doubt the results will be meaningfully different.

 

[bossram]

That's obviously not knowable with the limited info we have, but considering his festivus routine last year, his "agent provocateur" is exactly the type who would say NHL or trade me. He's had long stretches of time to work the deficiencies out of his game, but he just hasn't been able to do it.

Maybe he was misevaluated as a player (from bobs list):

6. David Jiricek: The Czech missed a good chunk of this season with a knee injury suffered at the World Junior Championship, but the 6-foot-3 blueliner has the size, bite, and physical tools to play a shutdown role. He’s viewed by some scouts as limited offensively, but in a draft filled with sub-6-foot puck movers, Jiricek’s size and physical approach stand out. His skating is good but not great, and he projects as solid top-four defenceman who, like Nemec, could be a 2-3. He was ranked as high as No. 5 and as low as No. 12 in our scouting survey.


The reality is he's not good defensively at either the AHL level, or the NHL level and he's stuck behind Werenski and soon to be leap frogged by Mateychuck when it comes to PPQB (which is what he sees himself as). Maybe he just needs a change of scene, but unless it comes with a massive attitude adjustment, i doubt the results will be meaningfully different.

This spiel is pretty unrelated to the undeniable fact (and what CBJ is, in fact, doing) that getting healthy scratched most nights and/or playing 8 minutes when in the lineup is not good for development.

The "unknowable info" here is all the stuff you're talking about needing an "attitude adjustment" and playing armchair therapist.

 

[Vector]

Since people were talking about the Canucks claiming him.

 

[bossram]

Since people were talking about the Canucks claiming him.

EDM is desperate for like...anyone.

 

[timw33]

A lot of signs piling up that we maybe should not be selling the farm to make a push for a deep playoff run right now. Just so many things working against us on the key injury and luck front.

If they can persevere through these injuries and battle through for a few months and get mostly healthy and iron out the kinks, that would be awesome, but logistically right now you can't be moving that 1st or either of our top prospects unless we're getting back a high quality piece with term left.

 

[Jerry the great]

This spiel is pretty unrelated to the undeniable fact (and what CBJ is, in fact, doing) that getting healthy scratched most nights and/or playing 8 minutes when in the lineup is not good for development.

The "unknowable info" here is all the stuff you're talking about needing an "attitude adjustment" and playing armchair therapist.

Oh you don't think the player should wear of of the blame here?

 

[vancityluongo]

Since people were talking about the Canucks claiming him.

that'll teach em to not offersheet their younger, significantly better player, who they could've kept at about the same price!!