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LemonSauceD said:
There will come a point where if the losing continues, management has to address the direction they’re going to take.

Looking like a lost season? Take a page out of Washington’s book and do some roster renovations. Sell the upcoming UFA’s, kill the deadweight, accumulate assets, look for Hronek type deals with said assets, use the available cap space to target a marquee UFA (Ehlers, Bennett, M.Pettersson, Gavrikov, Provorov).

Miller, Boeser, Suter, Desharnais, Hoglander, Heinen, Soucy, Blueger, and Soucy should all fetch assets.

These next couple of months will show what Allvin/Rutherford are truly made of.
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The problem with trading everything not nailed down is we have to replace them if we expect to retool. We don't have anyone internal who's replacing Suter. And despite how bad Soucy's been this season, his main issue is being utilized too far up the lineup. Both are worth more to us next season than we'd get in a trade. Blueger is a bit more expandable, but also wouldn't fetch much.

Meanwhile, Hoglander, Heinen and Desharnais are damn near worthless. Them not clearing waivers could be argued as a win just for the cap space alone. And I don't even know if Hoglander would be claimed at this point.

Miller and Boeser are the only two with actual value. What that is given the seasons they're both having remains to be seen.

iFan said:
It’s looking more and more like it’s rebuild time
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It won't happen. Aquilini wouldn't allow a rebuild during the entire Benning tenure despite us having absolutely nothing. There's not a chance in hell he allows one now.

Rutherford would be fired before he even finished asking about trading Hughes. And in a rebuild situation, you're 100% trading Hughes.
 
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Bourne Endeavor said:
The problem with trading everything not nailed down is we have to replace them if we expect to retool. We don't have anyone internal who's replacing Suter. And despite how bad Soucy's been this season, his main issue is being utilized too far up the lineup. Both are worth more to us next season than we'd get in a trade. Blueger is a bit more expandable, but also wouldn't fetch much.

Meanwhile, Hoglander, Heinen and Desharnais are damn near worthless. Them not clearing waivers could be argued as a win just for the cap space alone. And I don't even know if Hoglander would be claimed at this point.

Miller and Boeser are the only two with actual value. What that is given the seasons they're both having remains to be seen.



It won't happen. Aquilini wouldn't allow a rebuild during the entire Benning tenure despite us having absolutely nothing. There's not a chance in hell he allows one now.

Rutherford would be fired before he even finished asking about trading Hughes. And in a rebuild situation, you're 100% trading Hughes.
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I disagree. You can easily find Suter and Soucy types in free agency or by spending a late round pick for them.

Heinen is probably worthless. Desharnais could be valued to a team needing cheap depth with size. Hoglander, quite honestly, I have zero idea. Suter probably fetches you a 3rd. Blueger went for a 3rd and a prospect the year Vegas won a cup. Soucy will be much easier to trade in the off season when his NMC turns to a 12 team.
 
LemonSauceD said:
I disagree. You can easily find Suter and Soucy types in free agency or by spending a late round pick for them.

Heinen is probably worthless. Desharnais could be valued to a team needing cheap depth with size. Hoglander, quite honestly, I have zero idea. Suter probably fetches you a 3rd. Blueger went for a 3rd and a prospect the year Vegas won a cup. Soucy will be much easier to trade in the off season when his NMC turns to a 12 team.
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There's a lot of guys on this Canuck roster who might be of interest to teams loading up for a playoff run.

Soucy would definitely be worth a phone call, but the Canucks might have to take back some salary. And for the same reason, Forbort would be useful as playoff depth on the blueline strictly as a rental on an affordable contract. They could move Juulsen and Desharnais for the same reason. As bad as these guys have been in Vancouver, it's tough to find affordable blueline depth at the TDL.

And Blueger and Suter would attract some interest--although later round picks are all that they could expect coming back. And I think the Canucks will definitely field calls on Garland, although his contract would be a bit of a hurdle.

The two 'big fish' are of course Miller and Boeser. Miller is probably an 'off-season' deal. But the bidding for Boeser could be brisk, particularly based on his playoff performance of a year ago, and the fact he's a UFA.

One thing is for certain. If this funk continues on through early February, then Canuck fans might not recognize this lineup by March.
 
LemonSauceD said:
I disagree. You can easily find Suter and Soucy types in free agency or by spending a late round pick for them.

Heinen is probably worthless. Desharnais could be valued to a team needing cheap depth with size. Hoglander, quite honestly, I have zero idea. Suter probably fetches you a 3rd. Blueger went for a 3rd and a prospect the year Vegas won a cup. Soucy will be much easier to trade in the off season when his NMC turns to a 12 team.
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If you're just replacing Suter in free agency, what's even the point? 3rd round pick won't help us be a better team for 3-4 years--if they ever crack the roster at all. That isn't a retool like what the Caps did, it's trying to rebuild and retool at the same time. Which always fails.

I'd rather keep Suter who is far more likely to sign a friendly deal over having to overpaid a guy who might be as good as him.

Bluegar we could potentially swap Ratu or Sasson in for. As for Deharnais, who even cares? Him not being on the team is a gain.
 
Bourne Endeavor said:
If you're just replacing Suter in free agency, what's even the point? 3rd round pick won't help us be a better team for 3-4 years--if they ever crack the roster at all. That isn't a retool like what the Caps did, it's trying to rebuild and retool at the same time. Which always fails.

I'd rather keep Suter who is far more likely to sign a friendly deal over having to overpaid a guy who might be as good as him.

Bluegar we could potentially swap Ratu or Sasson in for. As for Deharnais, who even cares? Him not being on the team is a gain.
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The idea is you take the pick and use it as part of an asset in a trade. Same concept as the Podkolzin and a 4th which allowed us to dump Poolman.
 
I see on another thread, Rick Dhailwal is reporting that Boeser and the Canucks have had 'zero discussions' on a new contract. And there's no chance they have anything done before the TDL.

It's been a long run in VanCity for Boeser, but he's as good as gone.
 
It takes a special sorta nuts to go from what JT Miller was last year to this year. I mean, keep it together man.
 
TruGr1t said:
It takes a special sorta nuts to go from what JT Miller was last year to this year. I mean, keep it together man.
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Feels representative of the team. I can count on a hand how many true let down games they had last year, and the rest the team played so well in. This year, it’s the inverse.

And then for Miller, it’s legit the exact same. Like a small handful of good ones and the rest just bad.

You know he’s still got it though. He showed it in Montreal.
 
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It's bittersweet but this is probably the start of a retool that will turn into a rebuild. I suspect the bottom will completely give forcing them to make a decision on Hughes and Pettersson.

This was not an ideal outcome but this core was never going to win a cup together.
 
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