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Which reminds me, it's probably time to move Miller to wing anyway?

I don't really see what the point of him playing center anymore is. His defensive game has completely fallen off and half the time when they are defending in zone it looks like he's desperately trying to rotate to defend the point forcing one of his wingers to cover down low.

Putting him on wing likely means more touches with the puck down low in the o zone as well.

:laugh: Haha reminds me of this guy Jesse whom I played with in youth. Insanely talented offensively but would have you pulling out your hair in all other aspects. On a turnover as a forward you would grab the nearest opponent and defend them man on man only to see Jesse's check bury it in the back of your net on an uncontested rush. When you looked over to give him shit he would actually be standing next to you marking your player instead as it required less effort to defend.

When Miller is off the details, effort, and teamwork go right out the window.
 
They are not a contender.

Even if they making the playoffs this year, it doesn't make them one. A contender is a team that separates itself from the pack on true talent. They have not achieved this mark during Allvin's tenure. Last year they had a run. Played above their level with everything breaking right (1980s Oiler level conversion early). And then in the playoffs they couldn't keep up with the Oilers. That's not contention. They were a level below.

This will end up in a semantics debate, I know it. If you thought they were a top5~ team on true talent last year, you're welcome to that assessment.

You are right that it's semantics as to what one defines as "contender". But a team that finished 6th overall in the NHL with a plus 56 goal differential, that was within one game of the Western Conference finals, without their franchise goaltender, and who lost to a team that got within one game of the Stanley Cup, is almost certainly a Stanley Cup contender in my books. And in fact, I don't think anyone would have taken you seriously if you suggested the Canucks were not a contender in say, March or April of last year.

I think the Canucks did indeed have some unsustainable play, and certainly peaked too early in the year, but I think they were rightfully seen as a contender last year. And the results are there to back it up.


The way to assess management is to see what they tried to do (quick re-tool) and judge it against their goal (1-2 years contention). Based upon that alone, they have failed.
I don't really think so. Last year they had a good kick at the can, and had Demko not been injured, who knows where they end up? It certainly isn't a stretch to expect that they would have made the Western Conference finals. The story is still ongoing though, and I think we'd both agree that things can change. For example, if the Canucks don't make the playoffs again during Allvin's tenure, then things will look quite a bit different than them making the playoffs 2-3 more times over the next four years or so. And that's even just accepting that they are not going to be a "contender" during those years.

It's a high standard, yes, but it's one they chose to set. Externally, they will be judged against it. If they thought it was unlikely, then don't do it.
I don't think they ever really had a "choice" to do anything but a compete now! type approach. I think your "longer retool" was never an option. Obviously we will never know, but you must acknowledge that there is a possibility (however likely or not) that ownership was never willing to entertain the type of longer retool you are suggesting. And if that's the case, then the lens through which you are judging them is not reasonable.

JR/Allvin get full credit for avoiding a full rebuild (trading Pettersson and Hughes). We laud them for their execution amidst a quick re-tool (I have done so many times). Yet when we question the decision to choose a quick re-tool over a slower re-tool, it's too harsh? No, it's fair. They are not irreproachable.
Again, I don't think there was a choice.

To use your analogy: If an out of shape slob gets up off the coach and decides to compete in a 100k marathon within a week, we would call that unwise. Maybe try to get in shape first and do the 5k in 6 months time.
You are assuming that Allvin had a choice. I think that's inconsistent with what we know of ownership.
 
Some of those names and teams you put aren’t realistic in the least bit . Buffalo and wild aren’t trading those players! Especially one like ek for miller

Yes, I said that in the article.

All the teams listed have been mentioned as interested by the various rumour mongers.
 
Yes, I said that in the article.

All the teams listed have been mentioned as interested by the various rumour mongers.
You said there’s a world in which they would. made some of those clubs up! The wild for example have negative cap and won’t be able to acure capspace this year! Detroit is close also. I can straight up tell u no world is ek getting traded by them or waiving when bill guerin is their gm
 
You made some of those clubs up! The wild for example have negative cap and won’t be able to acure capspace this year! Detroit is close also. I can straight up tell u no world is ek getting traded by them or waiving when bill guerin is their gm

Yes. Which is why I said they'd offer Rossi instead.
 
Doug MacLean apparently stating Demko is not happy.

This is turning into a gong show.
Must be fun to be a Media person (same as the Marchand situation), where you never have to provide substance for the things you say.

You can be "Protected" by saying "I'm hearing", "word is", etc. type to preference what you are saying so that it's not your source, but just hearsay that you are passing along... So, don't blame me if it turns out to not be true. But, if it is, I can go back and say, well, I did say this back in mid Jan 2025.
 
Yes. Which is why I said they'd offer Rossi instead.
Rumour is they are ready to move on from Rossi. (possibly because it would hard to sign him)

Minny has a great prospect pool. Riley Heidt, Danila Yurov, Liam Ohgren(ex teammate of Lekkerimaki), Rasmus Kumpulainen, 6'3" Charlie Stramel (RHC) is coming alive this year. Speed, skill, size from pretty well all those forwards. Everyone of those forwards projects to be better than Raty.

Cap would take some real juggling and Van would probably have to take Trenin back at least.
 
Rumour is they are ready to move on from Rossi. (possibly because it would hard to sign him)

Minny has a great prospect pool. Riley Heidt, Danila Yurov, Liam Ohgren(ex teammate of Lekkerimaki), Rasmus Kumpulainen, 6'3" Charlie Stramel (RHC) is coming alive this year. Speed, skill, size from pretty well all those forwards. Everyone of those forwards projects to be better than Raty.

Cap would take some real juggling and Van would probably have to take Trenin back at least.

Yeah, this is why I didn't go into in-depth trades. There's no real substance to the rumours other than "Maybe the Red Wings take a look at one of the two Canucks" and that making it work so it makes sense for both teams and cap-wise takes a lot of time.
 
the guy i really covet in the wild's system (other than buium who is untouchable) is hunter haight. he's a little undersized but he's so creative with the puck
 
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