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[Diablo2020]

Full team Czechia with a Slovak.

Pettersson and Hoglander
For
Pastrnak and Zacha

Miller
For
Hertl

Boeser, 1st, 2nd
For
Palat and Nemec

Palat - Hertl - Pastrnak
Debrusk - Zacha - Lekkerimaki
Heinen - Suter - Garland
Di Guiseppe - Blueger - Sherwood
Sasson

Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Myers
Forbort - Desharnais
Brisebois - Juulsen

Demko, Lankinen

Joshua on IR

Puckpedia says we have $2,501 capspace with Nemec in minors.

 

[Baby Pettersson]

My expert opinion is nothing happens. We trade maybe 2 bottom 6 pieces this trade deadline for a 4th round pick and reload in the offseason. And honestly that's what I hope happens. I don't wanna trade either Pete or Miller.

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Nemec, Mercer, and 2nd is what I would be looking at from the Devils for Miller.

 

[Bobby9]

People are getting excited over the idea of a trade.

If we lose Miller we are absolutely fu**ed up front and EP40 will get destroyed by our opponents focusing solely on him.

Trading Miller affects EP the most and he aint ready for that at all.

 

[ManVanFan]

People are getting excited over the idea of a trade.

If we lose Miller we are absolutely fu**ed up front and EP40 will get destroyed by our opponents focusing solely on him.

Trading Miller affects EP the most and he aint ready for that at all.

Miller missed 10 games this season and Canucks were 5-3-2 during that time and Petey had 15 points in those 10 games.

 

[Diablo2020]

Nemec, Mercer, and 2nd is what I would be looking at from the Devils for Miller.

Someone said it earlier but Tomas Hertl is actually a great example of JTs value.

Hertl and two 3rds for a recent #32 overall and a 1st, trending to be again #30-#32.

We dont have two 3rds so its Miller and a 2nd for two late firsts and 8 mill capspace and honestly thats not bad and opens up space to be creative imo.

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Then we trade Boeser and go full EA Sports, and sign Rantanen July 1 for a billion dollars.

 

[supercanuck]

Someone said it earlier but Tomas Hertl is actually a great example of JTs value.

Hertl and two 3rds for a recent #32 overall and a 1st, trending to be again #30-#32.

We dont have two 3rds so its Miller and a 2nd for two late firsts and 8 mill capspace and honestly thats not bad and opens up space to be creative imo.

JT's number are much better than Hertl though (career high 74 pts).

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

People are getting excited over the idea of a trade.

If we lose Miller we are absolutely fu**ed up front and EP40 will get destroyed by our opponents focusing solely on him.

Trading Miller affects EP the most and he aint ready for that at all.

Miller missed 10 games this season and Canucks were 5-3-2 during that time and Petey had 15 points in those 10 games.

Pettersson was a ghost in the playoffs, his line with rotating wingers was the worst line on the Canucks, ultimately they had to take Lindholm off the Joshua-Garland line to have him center Pettersson’s line. If EP was the 1st line option the Canucks would be laughable in the playoffs, teams would target him and go right through him.

 

[I am toxic]

What if we never get there?

Not a problem - wherever we are, there'll we'll be.

 

[brock hughes007]

Miller for Mitts + Ritchie
Boeser for Nemec
Hogs + Kud for Pettersson

DeBrusk-EP-Lekk
Suter-Mitts-Garland
Joshua-Blueger-Sherwood
PDG-Sasson-Heinen

Hughes-Hronek
Pettersson-Nemec
Soucy-Myers
Forbort

Sign Willander after his season and give him a couple games.

Re-sign Pettersson and Suter.

Use the offseason to acquire a scoring W or two by using 1st, Mynio, etc. or sign in FA.

Forget the Miller trade .the other 2 are OK.. I am not a Mitts fan at all.

 

[VanillaCoke]

JT's number are much better than Hertl though (career high 74 pts).

Jt def worth more than hertl, he's going to get a solid return.
He's exactly what contenders want to add to put them over the top..

 

[Nuckles]

I just have to say it's f***ing insane that JR and Allvin let it get to this point without trying to shake things up earlier in the season with lesser trades (Hoglander, VD, etc.).

It was pretty obvious from early on that things were not ok, and they let it fester to the point where they *NEED* to move a key player or two. And even then it's probably too little too late for this season.

 

[ManVanFan]

Pettersson was a ghost in the playoffs, his line with rotating wingers was the worst line on the Canucks, ultimately they had to take Lindholm off the Joshua-Garland line to have him center Pettersson’s line. If EP was the 1st line option the Canucks would be laughable in the playoffs, teams would target him and go right through him.

Since when does a single player win a Stanley cup? Miller didn't win the cup on his own last year did he?

 

[sting101]

I still wouldn't move Miller without a top 40C coming back unless this is completely untenable vs just going through something. Hughes is the answer really

Finding a way to get Mercer without moving Miller is a great idea though. Boeser plus?

If you believe in Willander i would entertain moving Hronek for Byram too. You just know they are gonna have some issues with 3 topLDs and his RFA contract and wanting to balance with a RD. Hughes Byram Willander w/Pettersson coming is a good young group to build off and gets us a reset on a bad contract. Add to somehow get Kulich would be genius (Hoglander Suter Heinen plus picks)

Start next year with Mercer Kulich Lekkerimaki Byram and Willander added for Boeser Hoglander PDG Hronek Forbort plus picks for Lankinen Suter

now that's a retool i would love to see 21-22 million out and about 8-9 million in cap space to reload

Pettersson Miller Debrusk Garland Mercer Joshua Blueger Sherwood Kulich Lekkerimaki Raty Sasson
Hughes Byram Willander Myers Soucy Pettersson
Demko

and 9 million to add

 

[Diablo2020]

Jt def worth more than hertl, he's going to get a solid return.
He's exactly what contenders want to add to put them over the top..

Yeah Miller is probably worth a little more but Sharks retained Hertl from 8.175 down to 6.75 that has huge value in itself and is something we're probably not doing.

Prepare to be underwhelmed. 8 mill capspace is the real key here imo forget the return.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I just have to say it's f***ing insane that JR and Allvin let it get to this point without trying to shake things up earlier in the season with lesser trades (Hoglander, VD, etc.).

It was pretty obvious from early on that things were not ok, and they let it fester to the point where they *NEED* to move a key player or two. And even then it's probably too little too late for this season.

Reminder that they horribly botched the Boudreau situation. We knew he was a dead man walking for a month before they canned him.

There was no need for the situation to get to this point:


JR and Allvin need to be more proactive in these situations. They need to resign if Francesco Aquilini is holding up any movements.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Yeah Miller is probably worth a little more but Sharks retained Hertl from 8.175 down to 6.75 that has huge value in itself and is something we're probably not doing.

Prepare to be underwhelmed. 8 mill capspace is the real key here imo forget the return.

Alot more, and I'm sure I'll be quite satisfied.

Miller is better and bot coming off major injury either, he's closer to at the time eichel than hertl..

SJ had to retain in order to move his contract to one of few teams, not the case with jt either.

Hertl isn't a great comp, if you like comps to begin with.

 

[kanucks25]

I still wouldn't move Miller without a top 40C coming back unless this is completely untenable vs just going through something. Hughes is the answer really

Finding a way to get Mercer without moving Miller is a great idea though. Boeser plus?

If you believe in Willander i would entertain moving Hronek for Byram too. You just know they are gonna have some issues with 3 topLDs and his RFA contract and wanting to balance with a RD. Hughes Byram Willander w/Pettersson coming is a good young group to build off and gets us a reset on a bad contract. Add to somehow get Kulich would be genius (Hoglander Garland)

Start next year with Mercer Kulich Lekkerimaki Byram and Willander added for Boeser Hoglander PDG Hronek Forbort plus picks for Lankinen Suter

now that's a retool i would love to see

Who's giving you a top 40 C for Miller? Most of them are younger than him and don't come with the baggage.

 

[Hodgy]

Someone said it earlier but Tomas Hertl is actually a great example of JTs value.

Hertl and two 3rds for a recent #32 overall and a 1st, trending to be again #30-#32.

We dont have two 3rds so its Miller and a 2nd for two late firsts and 8 mill capspace and honestly thats not bad and opens up space to be creative imo.

Hertl is a really poor comparison. Hertl scored 244 points in his five seasons preceding the trade for a 0.77 ppg. Miller over this period of time scored 402 points over 364 games for a 1.10 ppg. So, statistically, from a point production, they aren't even remotely close.

And Miller has had almost zero injury concerns whereas Hertl has often been injured.

Stylistically, Miller is the far more valuable player as GMs absolutely love the big, physical, offensive player.

For Miller, the big question is how much of a hit his value will take to reflect the fact that he's a bozo. And its tough to predict. There will, of course, be a hit in value given his age and the fact that there will be 4 years remaining on his contract after this year.

 

[dbaz]

nemec and mercer are both good targets. devils also have a ton of prospects and a few players they could dump.
but if you are getting mercer or nemec i dont think you are getting much more with them for miller

 

[Hodgy]

Alot more, and I'm sure I'll be quite satisfied.

Miller is better and bot coming off major injury either, he's closer to at the time eichel than hertl..

SJ had to retain in order to move his contract to one of few teams, not the case with jt either.

Hertl isn't a great comp, if you like comps to begin with.

What do you think the Canucks will get for Miller?

I agree that Hertl is a bad example. Eichel is equally terrible (perhaps worse), but on the other end.

nemec and mercer are both good targets. devils also have a ton of prospects and a few players they could dump.
but if you are getting mercer or nemec i dont think you are getting much more with them for miller

I both (a) think we won't get a piece as valuable as Nemec for Miller and (b) think Nemec isn't a good target as he isn't established enough.

I can't really see the Canucks going into next season with both Willander and Nemec as guaranteed regulars on the backend.

 

[ephmrl]

nemec and mercer are both good targets. devils also have a ton of prospects and a few players they could dump.
but if you are getting mercer or nemec i dont think you are getting much more with them for miller

I think Miller will have a lot more value around the league than any of us think. His “alpha” personality is the exact thing that most of the old school gm’s around the league covet highly. This season hasn’t seemed to damage his reputation too badly considering his inclusion in the 4 nations roster for USA.

 

[Vector]

What do you think the Canucks will get for Miller?

I agree that Hertl is a bad example. Eichel is equally terrible (perhaps worse), but on the other end.


I both (a) think we won't get a piece as valuable as Nemec for Miller and (b) think Nemec isn't a good target as he isn't established enough.

I can't really see the Canucks going into next season with both Willander and Nemec as guaranteed regulars on the backend.

The main problem is Hertl is the only example that lines up with everything else (age, cap hit, contract status, and trade protection). Miller has been a much better player so you should be able to take the Hertl return and adjust it to work. Hertl (retained), 3rd, & 3rd for Edstrom & 1st. Edstrom & 1st were flipped for Askarov. Get rid of the 3rds & retention and turn Askarov into Nemec, probably in the ballpark.