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[LemonSauceD]

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Crazy Rachel proposing a potential fit between Van and NJ. Boeser for a deal based on one of NJ's blue chip dmen:

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I would love Seamus Casey but not sure NJ would part with any of those 3 for Boeser. I do think Silayev is untouchable for them though. They’re really high on him.

 

[ManVanFan]

Crazy Rachel proposing a potential fit between Van and NJ. Boeser for a deal based on one of NJ's blue chip dmen:

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First Jiricek now.

“It’s hard to say, it’s still too early to request a trade,” Nemec said. “If this situation continues, it will have to be addressed, but for now, this is how it stands.”

“I believe I’ve proven multiple times that I belong in the NHL,” Nemec said. “I just have to wait for another chance and grab it when it comes.”

I feel this quoted is literally copied from the Jiricek one.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Why is the bolded the "success/fail" marker? This doesn't make much sense when you consider that, on a balance of probabilities, retools on the fly are likely to fail. Slow rebuilds are always going to be more likely to bring success since the NHL awards failure and gives you high draft picks, and you can weaponize cap space. If you want to pick arbitrary percentages, you could characterizes this as a rebuild having a 70% chance of "success" while retools have a 30% chance of "success".

Seen through that lense, I think your success/fail marker is far too high, and probably represents like a 90% + or 95% + percentile of success. I think Allvin, with the success he has already had, has probably already hit the 80% percentile marker, or around that, which is obviously quite good.

My success/failure marker does represent the 90th+ percentile of outcomes, you're right, which is why re-tooling on the fly here was a foolish strategy.

Every strategy has the end goal of being a legit contender for the cup.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

First Jiricek now.

“It’s hard to say, it’s still too early to request a trade,” Nemec said. “If this situation continues, it will have to be addressed, but for now, this is how it stands.”

“I believe I’ve proven multiple times that I belong in the NHL,” Nemec said. “I just have to wait for another chance and grab it when it comes.”

I feel this quoted is literally copied from the Jiricek one.

These kids are going to want to play and Jersey has alot of depth on the backend.

Not all will fit so if they have a chance to move one for a top line player, it needs to be considered.

 

[Vector]

That no other teams inquired or tried to beat the Devils' offer just confirms my and @Vector's hypothesis that a lot of GMs just do a lot of dumb crap, if not are just bumbling idiots themselves.

It is the most accurate theory known to science.

 

[ManVanFan]

These kids are going to want to play and Jersey has alot of depth on the backend.

Not all will fit so if they have a chance to move one for a top line player, it needs to be considered.

Well I hear that Foote can fix any D man that comes his way. Just not the ones they currently have. I'm a bit weary of 6'7" Silayev. That big, those guys are really Chara or Deshairnas. Nemec. It would be nice to have some offence on the right side behind Hronek and Willander.

It definitely needs to be considered is right.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I wonder if the star player is a retired player turned coach

 

[pitseleh]

tocchet is 60 and has a pretty checkered past. if he quits on a team because they trade his bae he'll probably never get another shot at the nhl level. he needs repeated success in vancouver if he wants to keep coaching

For what it’s worth, when Tocchet took the Canucks job the word was he had turned down other opportunities and only wanted to coach if it was the right fit. He may not care.

 

[pitseleh]

Good thread on the team’s results on the rush:



In short, it looks like their outlier performance scoring at a high rate off the small number of rush chances they generated was indeed an outlier, while they are giving up way more off the rush than they did last season (which probably isn’t surprising given the personnel change).

 

[JT Milker]

Good thread on the team’s results on the rush:



In short, it looks like their outlier performance scoring at a high rate off the small number of rush chances they generated was indeed an outlier, and while they are giving up way more off the rush than they did last season (which probably isn’t surprising given the personnel change).

Would be interesting to know how much of this is defence and how much is goaltending.

 

[kanucks25]

Good thread on the team’s results on the rush:



In short, it looks like their outlier performance scoring at a high rate off the small number of rush chances they generated was indeed an outlier, and while they are giving up way more off the rush than they did last season (which probably isn’t surprising given the personnel change).

Crazy.

But also not that surprising given how immobile and low IQ the defense looks and the number of poor back-checks that really weren't a thing last season.

EDIT: and perhaps it's a weakness of Lankinen's game, although it would depend on the number of chances compared to last year.

 

[Lat]

I doubt that would be enough for Nemec.

Well, maybe I'm wrong, if NJD has no leverage.

I still don't think Nemec would be a good fit though, with Willander incoming and Hronek/Myers signed longer term. We need a Top 4 LD.

 

[pitseleh]

Would be interesting to know how much of this is defence and how much is goaltending.

Yeah, I wouldn’t put much stock in the percentages being meaningful for that reason. But the fact they’ve gone from 1st to 19th in chances against is concerning.

 

[Breakers]

Not even at 20 wins yet which is embarrassing

Anaheim has 1 less win than us…….. ANAHEIM!!!!!!

 

[Vector]

Yeah, I wouldn’t put much stock in the percentages being meaningful for that reason. But the fact they’ve gone from 1st to 19th in chances against is concerning.

The bolded is definitely the most concerning. It's such a defining factor for the team last season and we can see the results of not being able to replicate it.

 

[ManVanFan]

Well, maybe I'm wrong, if NJD has no leverage.

I still don't think Nemec would be a good fit though, with Willander incoming and Hronek/Myers signed longer term. We need a Top 4 LD.

Three team trade.

Boeser to NJ
Nemec to Buf
Byram to Van

 

[B-rock]

tocchet is 60 and has a pretty checkered past. if he quits on a team because they trade his bae he'll probably never get another shot at the nhl level. he needs repeated success in vancouver if he wants to keep coaching

He’d get another shot pretty quickly. He’s held in high regard. I mean, he won the Jack Adams. If he flames out after that then maybe your point stands but he’ll be snatched up immediately.

 

[Hodgy]

My success/failure marker does represent the 90th+ percentile of outcomes, you're right, which is why re-tooling on the fly here was a foolish strategy here.

Every strategy has the end goal of being a legit contender for the cup.

I think you are ignoring the fact that there was never a choice with this ownership group. Its very unlikely that Allvin ever had the option of rebuilding vs. retool. The latter was likely the only available venue. So it makes little sense being overly criticical of Alvin, and holding him to a 90%+ percentile outcome, because you think he "picked" this more difficult option.

If rebuild vs. retool was truly on the table, then I'd agree with you.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I think you are ignoring the fact that there was never a choice with this ownership group. Its very unlikely that Allvin ever had the option of rebuilding vs. retool. The latter was likely the only available venue. So it makes little sense being overly criticical of Alvin, and holding him to a 90%+ percentile outcome, because you think he "picked" this more difficult option.

If rebuild vs. retool was truly on the table, then I'd agree with you.

Your agreement is not necessary.

There was a dogfight in here on what path was considered viable on its merit alone. The rest is just conjecture.

The offseason is the time and place for this regardless. Season isn't over yet.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Three team trade.

Boeser to NJ
Nemec to Buf
Byram to Van

I'd want more from Buffalo given Nemec is still on his ELC next and Byram is a pending RFA this year.

Be looking at one of Buffalo's young forwards. Open to adding if it means you get someone of substance (i.e. Kulich).

 

[ginner classic]

Left Shot Top 4 needs to be the priority Asap.

- Sanheim
- Provorov
- Byram
-Matheson
-Edvindsson
-Chabot
-M Pettersson
-K Miller
- Walman/Ferraro

Cheaper acquisition cost I would add here: Zadorov and M. Samuelsson

 

[krutovsdonut]

Three team trade.

Boeser to NJ
Nemec to Buf
Byram to Van

3 way paperclip trade

 

[Hodgy]

Your agreement is not necessary.

There was a dogfight in here on what path was considered viable on its merit alone. The rest is just conjecture.

The offseason is the time and place for this regardless. Season isn't over yet.

I don't know what you are talking about. The point I am making is extremely valid. Your criticism is unreasonably harsh if Allvin didn't actually have the ability to undertake a rebuild....and all evidence suggests this is the case. Its the crux of the whole issue, really.

And yes, the re-tool vs. rebuild was discussed on here ad nauseum. But the discussion was more on everyones' preferences, and the pros and cons, and never assumed that a retool was ever viable from an ownership perspective. And in fact, I think it was pretty widely recognized that ownership was not likely to ever approve a total rebuild.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I don’t think Allvin are co are doing a poor job at all. I said when JR was hired, it’ll take a miracle to get this team anywhere. My expectations have been exceeded for the most part, even including the hiccups.

I’m not saying anyone is pointing fingers wrongly, I’m just saying the cap situation he inherited was brutal. Any hope milked beyond that feeling of helplessness are cherries.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I don't know what you are talking about. The point I am making is extremely valid. Your criticism is unreasonably harsh if Allvin didn't actually have the ability to undertake a rebuild....and all evidence suggests this is the case. Its the crux of the whole issue, really.

And yes, the re-tool vs. rebuild was discussed on here ad nauseum. But the discussion was more on everyones' preferences, and the pros and cons, and never assumed that a retool was ever viable from an ownership perspective. And in fact, I think it was pretty widely recognized that ownership was not likely to ever approve a total rebuild.

We are not talking rebuild. It was between a quick re-tool (2 years) or a slower re-tool (more than 2 years). They weren't going to do a full rebuild with Pettersson and Hughes here.

The pros and cons are judged against a common standard: Becoming a Contender. Re-tool or rebuild, it doesn't matter, the goal doesn't change.

For example, few media/fans would judge the STL re-tool as being successful if their height was to become first round fodder.

In other words, the standard was never Aquilini's bid for gate revenue at all costs. If JR/Allvin took the job under that premise, then they agree with it and have shown competence in executing it. But even then, their internal standard (if it even exists right now) has no bearing on how they will be judged externally, by media/fans. Nor should it.