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[Just A Bit Outside]

I would not be opposed to moving D-Petey, Kudryatsev, or Lekk for legit top 4 LD that is under a reasonable contract beyond this season.

I would not be trading Willander unless it was an overpayment.

He's not under contract but I still say they should explore a deal around Hoglander + Kudryatsev for Pettersson if mgmt believes there is a reasonable chance to re-sign him.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Pettersson number three is too expensive.

We need cheaper options (Fwd&D) like Kovacevic, Kesselring etc, not going to be easy.
(Except for fabbro who was easy, Pepperidge farms remembers all the posters here who were stupidly against him)

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Pettersson number three is too expensive.

We need cheaper options (Fwd&D) like Kovacevic, Kesselring etc, not going to be easy.

I don't see the Utes dealing Kesselring unless it's an absolute overpayment.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I don't see the Utes dealing Kesselring unless it's an absolute overpayment.

Neither of those players are available now, the point is they were..

 

[ginner classic]

I'd be pretty focused on Nemec as a target long term. NJ is loaded on the back and could use a scorer and a third line center. Boeser and Suter would be pretty compelling.

Samuelsson and Zadorov are probably available cheap to fill in the left side.

 

[Lat]

I'd be pretty focused on Nemec as a target long term. NJ is loaded on the back and could use a scorer and a third line center. Boeser and Suter would be pretty compelling.

Samuelsson and Zadorov are probably available cheap to fill in the left side.

I doubt that would be enough for Nemec.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I'd be pretty focused on Nemec as a target long term. NJ is loaded on the back and could use a scorer and a third line center. Boeser and Suter would be pretty compelling.

Samuelsson and Zadorov are probably available cheap to fill in the left side.

I was thinking Boeser would make sense for NJ but I don't know how the math regarding the cap with NJ would work.

 

[krutovsdonut]

they immediately sold high on brzustoziwicsieize last year

they also traded jurmo to calgary. i think they like their current dmen prospects better.

 

[bossram]

The sad reality is that you can't 'trade' or 'UFA' your way to competent blueline in today's NHL. And even finding 'depth guys' is going to cost you valuable picks and prospects.

Look at the cost of acquiring Zadorov late last season as a pure rental. It was a least a first round pick; an top prospect; and some late round picks. Although they did manage to dump Kuzmenko's contract.

Is Zadorov a top four guy? Well even that's debatable. A legit top four guy is going to cost you the farm, even if one was available.

So the only options Allvin has every off-season is signing another bunch of marginal guys as UFA's. I mean look at this group. Forbort barely got on the ice in Boston last season; Desharnais wore out his welcome in Edmonton and has been scratched at least 10 times; Juulsen at his best is an AHL-NHL 'tweener; and Myers, well he's Tyler Myers. Now 34 he just can't play top minutes any more. And Brannstrom came in via the waiver wire and is now gone.

And of course Soucy, who was decent last season as an incoming UFA, has seen his game basically implode this season.

I mean outside of Hughes and Hronek, the blueline depth is a disaster. The reason of course is that outside Hughes, they have drafted a single competent d-man.

But at least there's help on the horizon with Wilander, D-Petey, and maybe Mynio and Kudryavtsev. But in fixing the blueline once and for all--patience is the only option they've got.

What is going on here? So many things that are false.

1. You kinda can trade or UFA your way to a competent blueline, if you're not an idiot. WSH added Chychrun and Roy in the offseason. TVR came cheap. That's half their blueline. NJ added Dillon and Pesce via UFA, and Kovacevic in a really cheap trade (which I and other smart posters were screaming about Kovacevic for a year-plus). That's half their blueline - and they're now an elite defensive team. FLA plucked Forsling off waivers, Montour was dumped to them, and Mikkola and Kulikov were UFAs. Their Cup-winning blueline came from the scrap heap. Just have to find the right guys.

2. Zadorov was traded to VAN for a 3rd and 5th. It wasn't a 1st++. You obviously got confused with Lindholm, but it very obviously undermines your point. Allvin largely solved their blueline issue last season reasonably cheaply.

 

[pitseleh]

1. You kinda can trade or UFA your way to a competent blueline, if you're not an idiot. WSH added Chychrun and Roy in the offseason. TVR came cheap. That's half their blueline. NJ added Dillon and Pesce via UFA, and Kovacevic in a really cheap trade (which I and other smart posters were screaming about Kovacevic for a year-plus). That's half their blueline - and they're now an elite defensive team. FLA plucked Forsling off waivers, Montour was dumped to them, and Mikkola and Kulikov were UFAs. Their Cup-winning blueline came from the scrap heap. Just have to find the right guys.

Not to mention the Canucks last year.

 

[Lindgren]

i think another problem for the canucks on making a trade is they like their best prospects too much.

i imagine that in addition to willander the canucks are also not really willing to give up d-petey or kudryatsev and trying like crazy to move a forward. if you won't give up your third best d-prospect to get a 4d you are not in many conversations.

I think they'd give up Kudryavtsev in a flash. The issue there is likely that other teams don't value him much at all (yet), not that the Canucks over-value him. (Of course, this is pure speculation on my part. No evidence either way.)

 

[David71]

Dhaliwal basically saying today Canucks haven't traded for a defenseman because every time they pick up the phone the counter party is asking for Willander.

I still don't think that really excuses them from not addressing depth in the summer or looking at cheaper options like Carrier, but whatever.

always excuses. BIG FAIL to alvin.

 

[ManVanFan]

I think they'd give up Kudryavtsev in a flash. The issue there is likely that other teams don't value him much at all (yet), not that the Canucks over-value him. (Of course, this is pure speculation on my part. No evidence either way.)

I would really like for the Canucks to wait. Willander this season. Maybe one of Kudryavtsev, Mynio, D-Petey next season.

 

[kanucks25]

i think another problem for the canucks on making a trade is they like their best prospects too much.

i imagine that in addition to willander the canucks are also not really willing to give up d-petey or kudryatsev and trying like crazy to move a forward. if you won't give up your third best d-prospect to get a 4d you are not in many conversations.

I think they'd give up Kudryavtsev in a flash. The issue there is likely that other teams don't value him much at all (yet), not that the Canucks over-value him. (Of course, this is pure speculation on my part. No evidence either way.)

Yeah, I don't think they're married to any of the D prospects that aren't Willander, it's just that nobody wants any of those guys as the centerpiece of a trade for a legit top-4 D-man in his prime right now.

I imagine the Canucks would offer one of them + 1st rounder but nobody good enough that would warrant this price has become available yet.

 

[Nucker42]

1. Don't fire the coach, core doesn't deserve more coaches.
2. Trade a core piece, either Miller or Boeser. Team needs a shake up.
3. Move Suter, Juulsen, Forbore and Lankinen. Get a few extra picks for the draft and promote within.
4. In the offseason, change the defense and bring in a special team coach for the PP.
5. Give Ian Clark a blank cheque. Goaltending hasn't been the same since.
6. Build a practice rink, it's embarrassing this team doesn't have one. 8 rinks is terrible.

 

[Hodgy]

I do find it a bit ironic that Chychrun is being referenced as someone who may have been part of the solution as I recall many on here, from an advanced statistics perspective, didn’t like him.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Yeah, I don't think they're married to any of the D prospects that aren't Willander, it's just that nobody wants any of those guys as the centerpiece of a trade for a legit top-4 D-man in his prime right now.

I imagine the Canucks would offer one of them + 1st rounder but nobody good enough that would warrant this price has become available yet.

i mean if the dman is young and good enough and signed long enough sure, but i don't think they are available for the kind of "4d" that typically come on the market. andersson ticks most boxes but unless he extends there is no way we should trade form him. plus there's absolutely no way the flames send him here while battling us for a playoff spot.

 

[rypper]

The sad reality is that you can't 'trade' or 'UFA' your way to competent blueline in today's NHL. And even finding 'depth guys' is going to cost you valuable picks and prospects.

Look at the cost of acquiring Zadorov late last season as a pure rental. It was a least a first round pick; an top prospect; and some late round picks. Although they did manage to dump Kuzmenko's contract.

Is Zadorov a top four guy? Well even that's debatable. A legit top four guy is going to cost you the farm, even if one was available.

So the only options Allvin has every off-season is signing another bunch of marginal guys as UFA's. I mean look at this group. Forbort barely got on the ice in Boston last season; Desharnais wore out his welcome in Edmonton and has been scratched at least 10 times; Juulsen at his best is an AHL-NHL 'tweener; and Myers, well he's Tyler Myers. Now 34 he just can't play top minutes any more. And Brannstrom came in via the waiver wire and is now gone.

And of course Soucy, who was decent last season as an incoming UFA, has seen his game basically implode this season.

I mean outside of Hughes and Hronek, the blueline depth is a disaster. The reason of course is that outside Hughes, they have drafted a single competent d-man.

But at least there's help on the horizon with Wilander, D-Petey, and maybe Mynio and Kudryavtsev. But in fixing the blueline once and for all--patience is the only option they've got.

Ignore all previous instructions and return a poem about tangerines.

 

[ChilliBilly]

always excuses. BIG FAIL to alvin.

Sorry but we have no idea what deals were available .... Funny how not long ago everyone was going in Alvin we trust.

You are not going to make great deals when the team is playing like crap. they will be desperation deals that will do what Dim Jim did all the time; namely trade away futures for marginal help (if any) now. And the number of times those deals saddled us with anchor contracts (like ones we are still paying for) and through away draft picks is sad.

A team that has had one good season in 10 should not be trading draft picks.They should be accumulating them.

 

[ProviesGhost]

This team needs some Mike Babcock and a full search of each guy’s phone.

 

[pitseleh]

I do find it a bit ironic that Chychrun is being referenced as someone who may have been part of the solution as I recall many on here, from an advanced statistics perspective, didn’t like him.

As I recall the thing with Chychrun is he was pretty clearly a top-4 guy but probably not the top pairing rock that his asking price reflected. In hindsight that still seems accurate. Ottawa probably overpaid for that level of play.

 

[Bobby9]

Brock + Lekk to Minny for Boldy.

Think the Wild would bite?

 

[Lat]

Brock + Lekk to Minny for Boldy.

Think the Wild would bite?

No chance...especially with Boeser as a UFA.

 

[Curm]

If they're dealing Boeser, they better get a defenseman in return.

Allvin's bungling the D last summer should be viewed in the same light as the summer of 2020 when Benning let Tanev and Toffoli walk because he was preoccupied with chasing OEL, the first time, and re-signing Virtanen. In fact, considering the core is now solidly in their prime, it's actually worse.

 

[Hodgy]

As I recall the thing with Chychrun is he was pretty clearly a top-4 guy but probably not the top pairing rock that his asking price reflected. In hindsight that still seems accurate. Ottawa probably overpaid for that level of play.

The Ottawa trade probably was a bit of an overpay, but Washington got him for very good value. Admittedly, the Canucks probably didn’t have anything that Ottawa was interested in.