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[kanucks25]

I wonder what the value is in making a trade now while the market is hot and team morale/confidence may be low, just from a psyche point of view.

Then again, I wonder how much this management group cares about vibes. When Bruce was clearly a dead man walking it was a bad look for the organization drama wise but let's face it, everyone moved past it like a week later.

They must be really confident that the team won't go into a tailspin / the other teams in the playoff race aren't good enough to pull away.

 

[ManVanFan]

Carrier for Barron.
Liljegren for Matt Benning, Third-round pick (2025), Sixth-round pick (2026)
Maatta for 3rd round pick (2025)
Fabbro for probably anything.
Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen, Fourth-round pick (2025)

Management could have helped out the defence this season but hasn't.

I wonder what the value is in making a trade now while the market is hot and team morale/confidence may be low, just from a psyche point of view.

Then again, I wonder how much this management group cares about vibes. When Bruce was clearly a dead man walking it was a bad look for the organization drama wise but let's face it, everyone moved past it like a week later.

They must be really confident that the team won't go into a tailspin / the other teams in the playoff race aren't good enough to pull away.

Time to sell, this roster is clearly not going to get it done.

 

[PavelBure10]

Haven't seen Allvin or Rutherford in quite sometime. Would love for them to face the music and hear some thoughts from their behalf. Almost feel for Tochett having to explain himself after every game when he has the leagues worst defense.

 

[kanucks25]

Carrier for Barron.
Liljegren for Matt Benning, Third-round pick (2025), Sixth-round pick (2026)
Maatta for 3rd round pick (2025)
Fabbro for probably anything.
Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen, Fourth-round pick (2025)

Management could have helped out the defence this season but hasn't.


Time to sell, this roster is clearly not going to get it done.

Yeah I highly doubt they're selling. Don't even have much to sell. Boeser would be the only guy and if they trade him I'd be shocked if it wasn't for another player in return.

Lankinen and Suter won't have any real value.

 

[ManVanFan]

Yeah I highly doubt they're selling. Don't even have much to sell. Boeser would be the only guy and if they trade him I'd be shocked if it wasn't for another player in return.

Lankinen and Suter won't have any real value.

It would be a very real Canucks GM thing to not sell when the team looks like this one does. They will buy to sneak into the playoffs to get swept. In terms of real value, yeah for free agents Boeser.

I'm not talking in terms of just free agents only. I'm talking Boeser, Garland, Heinen, Joshua, Suter, Sherwood (if the return is great), Blueger, Soucy (if willing to waive), VD and Forbort for late round picks.

In the summer time, might be time to deal Pettersson or Miller.

I might seem a bit fed up with the losses piling up these days and I dislike certain players, I see value and a team that is not playing as a unit. Many have come and gone and many have been here that have not worked.

Blueger, Joshua, Garland was great last year. This year? not so much. The lotto line was great 1 year. Suter-Miller-Boeser was good for a while. It never lasts.

It's time to find players that work together.

 

[Bgav]

8-2-0 in their last 10. 5 game winning streak. Dean's doing a good job in Columbus.

they need JT to complete the rebuild. Lfg

 

[kanucks25]

It would be a very real Canucks GM thing to not sell when the team looks like this one does. They will buy to sneak into the playoffs to get swept. In terms of real value, yeah for free agents Boeser.

I'm not talking in terms of just free agents only. I'm talking Boeser, Garland, Heinen, Joshua, Suter, Sherwood (if the return is great), Blueger, Soucy (if willing to waive), VD and Forbort for late round picks.

In the summer time, might be time to deal Pettersson or Miller.

I might seem a bit fed up with the losses piling up these days and I dislike certain players, I see value and a team that is not playing as a unit. Many have come and gone and many have been here that have not worked.

Blueger, Joshua, Garland was great last year. This year? not so much. The lotto line was great 1 year. Suter-Miller-Boeser was good for a while. It never lasts.

It's time to find players that work together.

Trading the bottom 6 players that have little value and are outperforming their salaries makes little sense.

Punting for the sake of mid-to-low round picks isn't reality.

Also what you're suggesting is essentially a full rebuild in which case it's a waste of time to talk about trading the Bluegers and Suters and the real conversation should be who do we want back for Hughes.

 

[ManVanFan]

Trading the bottom 6 players that have little value and are outperforming their salaries makes little sense.

Punting for the sake of mid-to-low round picks isn't reality.

Also what you're suggesting is essentially a full rebuild in which case it's a waste of time to talk about trading the Bluegers and Suters and the real conversation should be who do we want back for Hughes.

So you purpose they bring back the same team that is clearly not working, does that make sense?

Does it make more sense to trade outperforming salaries to search for wins in other ways or allow those players to outperform their salaries and keep losing? If they are outperforming their values, value would be higher than if they wouldn't, so at least you would get something in return instead of nothing.

 

[ManVanFan]

they need JT to complete the rebuild. Lfg

They have a lot to give Van.

 

[Bobby9]

Allvin gonna fix up the 2004 Ford Taurus just to get a extra 2000KM out of her rather than start from scratch.

This team has so many pieces they can get a haul for. A retool is to risky. Its time to cash in the lottery tickets on EP, JT and Hughes. Hughes is 100% leaving after his contract is up.

New core. 5 year rebuild.

JT to Dallas for Johnston and a prospect.
EP to Hawks for Lev and a prospect.
Hughes to highest bidder (Sharks for Smith and Muk)
Brock to highest bidder.
Demko to highest bidder.


Smith, Johnston, Lev, Willander and Muk.

Im over these bums

 

[Bgav]

They have a lot to give Van.

They do but you're also right, they're doing so well this season. No reason for them to make a big trade giving away one of their best young players

 

[Jerry the great]

Allvin gonna fix up the 2004 Ford Taurus just to get a extra 2000KM out of her rather than start from scratch.

This team has so many pieces they can get a haul for. A retool is to risky. Its time to cash in the lottery tickets on EP, JT and Hughes. Hughes is 100% leaving after his contract is up.

New core. 5 year rebuild.

JT to Dallas for Johnston and a prospect.
EP to Hawks for Lev and a prospect.
Hughes to highest bidder (Sharks for Smith and Muk)
Brock to highest bidder.
Demko to highest bidder.


Smith, Johnston, Lev, Willander and Muk.

Im over these bums

Hughes for Will smith and Shakir Mukhamadullin is maybe the worst trade proposal i've ever seen.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Man people be panic buying and selling Canucks stock out here for real.

 

[FuzzyTitus]

Kind of feels like the Canucks thought they could limp along to around the deadline, still be in a good position for playoffs, and then weaponize the cap space they've generated.

I believe Vector (?) Has been keeping track of it, and they'd have almost $8M of space without outgoing contracts I think. That'd buy you some decent upgrades. Except it blew up in their face and it'll be a dog fight to get in now.

 

[kanucks25]

So you purpose they bring back the same team that is clearly not working, does that make sense?

Does it make more sense to trade outperforming salaries to search for wins in other ways or allow those players to outperform their salaries and keep losing? If they are outperforming their values, value would be higher than if they wouldn't, so at least you would get something in return instead of nothing.

Our depth players offer us surplus value but don't move the needle for contenders. We don't have a Barbashev or a Paul or an Ekholm, the type of player a contender is really going to pay for. You're getting mid round picks and then icing an AHL bottom 6. It does nothing to improve the team.

If you actually want to change the team, it'll come from gutting the top-6 and top-4 players that hold significant salaries AKA major surgery.

And then again we come back to the fact that Hughes won't be sticking around for major surgery. So worrying about mid round picks for depth players is a complete waste of time.

And no organization is going to punt on the season just to acquire mid round picks when they're in a position to quite easily make the playoffs. You have to be realistic.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I suspect that the next move we may see in the near future would be Sammy Blais being signed to an NHL contract. He's started to get his feet under him in Abbotsford, and he's a veteran, gritty presence that might help the Canucks on the ice and off it.

 

[Bobby9]

Hughes for Will smith and Shakir Mukhamadullin is maybe the worst trade proposal i've ever seen.

You never saw my Powers for Hughes one?

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Our depth players offer us surplus value but don't move the needle for contenders. We don't have a Barbashev or a Paul or an Ekholm, the type of player a contender is really going to pay for. You're getting mid round picks and then icing an AHL bottom 6. It does nothing to improve the team.

If you actually want to change the team, it'll come from gutting the top-6 and top-4 players that hold significant salaries AKA major surgery.

And then again we come back to the fact that Hughes won't be sticking around for major surgery. So worrying about mid round picks for depth players is a complete waste of time.

And no organization is going to punt on the season just to acquire mid round picks when they're in a position to quite easily make the playoffs. You have to be realistic.

While this is true, the team has not played well all season, and their top players (aside from Hughes) have not had a good season so far, it is easy to see them slide right out of the race over the next few weeks when we actually play some good teams and division rivals.

Most likely they will just plod along because "they are still in the race", but realistically there is a very real chance they won't make it (Calgary keeps winning the winnable games, Utah's D is getting healthy, there are some competitions for the last WC spot). A pro-active GM might be able to get assets (picks and/or prospects) back for their pending UFAs or players that no longer fits, and use those assets during the draft/summer to upgrade the team. An indecisive GM might sit tight, or buy, just to sneak in and get swept in the first round, or miss the playoff altogether, and lose all their UFAs for nothing. That is why some teams are asset-rich and some are asset-poor. We'll find out which side Allvin is by the TDL.

 

[Jerry the great]

You never saw my Powers for Hughes one?

haha

mercifully no.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Kind of feels like the Canucks thought they could limp along to around the deadline, still be in a good position for playoffs, and then weaponize the cap space they've generated.

I believe Vector (?) Has been keeping track of it, and they'd have almost $8M of space without outgoing contracts I think. That'd buy you some decent upgrades. Except it blew up in their face and it'll be a dog fight to get in now.

There's no issue with cap space. We aren't going to make an earth shattering deal to necessitate the full usage of the cap.

The issue is many teams that have defensemen of interest that are impending UFA's will not be selling. Pionk and Gavrikov in particular. I would throw a ton of money at these guys if they make it to UFA. Provorov is maybe off the table with CBJ heading upwards.

So really. What is there? Petry, Martinez and Savard are washed up and will still likely cost assets to aquire. Cole?

I've come to accept any big trade isn't happening in the middle of the season. Teams like Buffalo and New York will likely ride it out and make the necessary roster changes after assessing their GM/coaching staff in the offseason.

 

[ManVanFan]

They do but you're also right, they're doing so well this season. No reason for them to make a big trade giving away one of their best young players

I don't think Van are going to get that value back in a stud top prospect. Fill holes with that kind of trade.

 

[ManVanFan]

Our depth players offer us surplus value but don't move the needle for contenders. We don't have a Barbashev or a Paul or an Ekholm, the type of player a contender is really going to pay for. You're getting mid round picks and then icing an AHL bottom 6. It does nothing to improve the team.

If you actually want to change the team, it'll come from gutting the top-6 and top-4 players that hold significant salaries AKA major surgery.

And then again we come back to the fact that Hughes won't be sticking around for major surgery. So worrying about mid round picks for depth players is a complete waste of time.

And no organization is going to punt on the season just to acquire mid round picks when they're in a position to quite easily make the playoffs. You have to be realistic.

They aren't improving the Canucks.

The Canucks have not worried about getting something in return for so long. The prospect pool is shallow because they are doing the buying for those mid round pick players but never selling them. Keep them and re-sign them for a larger contract that they then aren't worth anymore.

The realistic part is this group isn't going anywhere. If you are going to go full rebuild, you are going to be trading those bottom 6ers for mid round picks anyways. You're against doing it to keep them mediocre.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I personally can't wait to see what shit-tastic move we will make and cry about after applying pressure to the situation for weeks. I'm sure it will be all the media's fault that this market is so bipolar and reactionary.

 

[ManVanFan]

I personally can't wait to see what shit-tastic move we will make and cry about after applying pressure to the situation for weeks. I'm sure it will be all the media's fault that this market is so bipolar and reactionary.

Tears flowing, shortage of tissues in BC coming. Better stock up.

 

[LemonSauceD]

If playoffs don’t seem like it’s going to happen this year (certainly trending that way), we should be able to get some pretty solid pieces back if we trade off a lot of our guys.

Miller, Boeser, Suter, Lankinen, Hoglander, Heinen, Desharnais, Soucy (if you can get him to waive his NMC this year), could all fetch some pretty good returns.

New Jersey had a similar down year last season with all their injuries after having an incredible 2022-2023 season and they sold off a couple of guys like Marino, Toffoli, Bahl, Vanacek and Holtz and made moves to improve their roster like Markstrom, Cotter, Kovacevic, Pesce, and Dillon and are having a great rebound season.

The main difference is we actually have a lot more tradeable pieces and a lot more guys coming off the books that should net us much more assets.

I mean there’s this talk of Hughes not signing with us but it’s not like New Jersey has won a whole lot during the same amount of time he’s been with us. In fact we’ve largely had more success than NJ during Quinn’s career.