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[Vector]

St Louis interested

Imagine getting Lindstein from them

Where you seeing St. Louis being interested?

 

[Curm]

it's not over yet, they could still claim him on waivers

And yet, that somehow wouldn't surprise me.

If not, Miller would be the ideal guy for the Islanders to bring in to straighten him out!

 

[Breakers]

Where you seeing St. Louis being interested?

TSN

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I'm just relieved the Canucks didn't sign Tony DeAngelo, and I can't believe the possibility even entered my mind, but here we are. What a timeline this is turning out to be.

Can't imagine DeAngelo ever playing on a Tocchet coached team without Tocchet himself likely clubbing him into unconsciousness with a chair.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I know it is absolutely dreaming

but islander fans are literally certain Dobson is gone at the deadline

He's too high event. (Tocchet would bench him)

The pedigree, the contract and how his play has tailed off, I just don't know.

 

[VanJack]

Various sites are claiming that NHL teams are tying to 'low-ball' the Canucks on any Miller trade. Not surprising, really.

When teams know you're desperate to trade somebody, they'll t try just about anything to acquire the guy on the cheap.

Obviously it's a game the Canucks can't afford to play in. Let's face it, another couple of weeks of this, and the season will be a 'write-off' anyway. Better to do these deals in the off-season, when there are more suitors and better players to be had.

 

[ginner classic]

Are these offers for Petey? Because no way JT gets anything close to that in return.

Same teams my take:

Canes: KK, Roslovic, Morrow, 1st
Rags: Chytil , unprotected 1st
Devils: Mercer, Nemec
Bruins: Zacha, Zadorov, 1st ( top 5 protected)
Stars: None
Buffalo: Cozens, 2nd

 

[Vector]

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Thanks. That’s weird and no idea if Miller would be interested in going there. That does fit with the Blues MO and they are one front office that doesn’t constantly bargain hunt.

 

[Curm]

Can't imagine DeAngelo ever playing on a Tocchet coached team without Tocchet himself likely clubbing him into unconsciousness with a chair.

Which would at least be entertaining, and that's more than I can say for their games of late.

Tocchet probably felt like jumping over the boards a few times last night to club a few guys.

 

[bandwagonesque]

@bandwagonesque reading this:

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It's like being asked to use discretion when before starting a TV show or movie. Don't all of use discretion pretty much automatically at all times, because we're alive? I can't not use discretion any time I choose between one thing and another. Do you think I'm just sitting here in a tub of electrolyte jelly like it's The Matrix?

 

[Breakers]

Lindstein is just fun to think about as Willander and him both said how easy it is to play with one another and they’re good buddies now and train together in the offseason

None of that means it transfers to the NHL.
Just such a dominant pairing at the world juniors

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Same teams my take:

Canes: KK, Roslovic, Morrow, 1st
Rags: Chytil , unprotected 1st
Devils: Mercer, Nemec
Bruins: Zacha, Zadorov, 1st ( top 5 protected)
Stars: None
Buffalo: Cozens, 2nd

My heart likes all these trades ( save for Rangers and Boston )
Personally I like Carolina’s offer best, I feel like KK could be a Petey light on the 2nd line and at a cost controlled contract, one would hope he could be an Erickson Ek player who ideally would drop to the third line when we find a young C to step into the top 2
I would take a gamble on Nemec all day, Mercer I’m good with

It’s more about removing the locker room cancer and getting rid of that contract 2 years down the road

 

[Nucker101]

When these rumors first started, I thought both Utah and STL would both be interested.

Miller is an Armstrong bros type of player

 

[Canucker]

If St.Louis is truly a suitor I wonder if they'd be looking at swapping Kyrou? There was a lot of talk last year about possibly trading him before his NMC kicks in.

 

[Vector]

When these rumors first started, I thought both Utah and STL would both be interested.

Miller is an Armstrong bros type of player

That's my impression as well. Similar playing style to O'Reilly and they haven't had any qualms about long-term contracts.

They can make the money work by placing Leddy on LTIR. Brandon Saad could act as a Beauvillier; signed next season at 4.5m. A big issue is that so many of their players have NTCs.

If St.Louis is truly a suitor I wonder if they'd be looking at swapping Kyrou? There was a lot of talk last year about possibly trading him before his NMC kicks in.

He leads them in points and is 2nd in +/-. If anything, his probably emboldens them to go after Miller.

 

[VanillaCoke]

If St.Louis is truly a suitor I wonder if they'd be looking at swapping Kyrou? There was a lot of talk last year about possibly trading him before his NMC kicks in.

I was assuming they're more looking to move Buchnevich, but Kyrou would be great.
Imagine van would want Lindstein too somehow.


If St.Louis get Miller (for ~Buch) I would bet money they have Brady (for ~kyrou) before next season starts.

 

[Szechwan]

f*** it, steal Deangelo off waivers and show this soft ass team what a real locker room cancer looks like.

Give Miller and Petey a common enemy and watch them flourish

 

[Donuts]

Hog/heinen + desharnais for zadorov

 

[arttk]

I think Jamie Dodd's rant here is mostly correct. It's why I thought there was a very narrow path for Allvin to turn the team into a contender when he took over (and I think he's largely done a solid job). It was just a tough job to begin with given the dearth of prospects, cap liabilities, etc. But it also was possible that this core...just ain't it. And there was no combination of moves that could put them over the top.

i feel like this convo about how they have been given 6 years is super BS. We had Benning behind the helm for like 4 of those years loading the team with anchors on every line.

Give any core the type of support Benning "gave" and they will fail.

 

[arttk]

Can't imagine DeAngelo ever playing on a Tocchet coached team without Tocchet himself likely clubbing him into unconsciousness with a chair.

DeAngelo was too toxic for a KHL team. The odds of him imploding the Isle is like 90%.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Saad, Leddy, Bolduc + 2025 1st for Miller.

 

[vancityluongo]

Why would anyone want to pay 9-11 million for Luke Hughes, and why would this team want to give up 2 first round picks when they are on the precipice of potentially being a lottery team for the next couple of seasons?

Absolute thumb in the air, I could see an argument that Luke Hughes, on a dramatic overpayment contract is worth a pair of first round picks with an expected value of an 8th-12th overall (~purchasing power of a replacement top-4 D) + 17th-21st overall (~purchasing power of a top-6 winger). You hope it's a pair of mid-20s picks when you make that move, but even if it's not I can see an argument for it. Thought process being that L. Hughes is tracking above expectations as a lottery pick himself, and even with the contract in consideration, is probably worth another mid-grade first on top of that. The offer sheet is the only mechanism to make it happen, because no team in their right mind is trading an RFA at Hughes' level for that return otherwise.

That dollar range in a rising cap environment probably isn't drastically far off from what he's tracking to be worth in a few years, and the premise, although highly unrealistic/impossible, of either screwing NJ (and getting Quinn's baby bro paid) or securing Quinn's commitment to the team is a ballsy and reasonable premise.

It will never, ever happen, but I see the logic behind it. Obviously the downside being two lottery picks as part of why.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

If you can move EP, try to do it in conference, or even division. He's a guy you want to play against as much as possible.

 

[Vector]

No clue at all if either side would be interested (including those traded) but a Miller for Parayko trade might be something.

 

[Hodgy]

I think Jamie Dodd's rant here is mostly correct. It's why I thought there was a very narrow path for Allvin to turn the team into a contender when he took over (and I think he's largely done a solid job). It was just a tough job to begin with given the dearth of prospects, cap liabilities, etc. But it also was possible that this core...just ain't it. And there was no combination of moves that could put them over the top.

We have agreed on this for a long time. I never really believed the "short window" concept when it was first floated due to a bunch of confounding factors mostly related to the cap (ie. recapture, trying to build largely through FA and trade, the wide range of assumptions needed for it to work etc.).

I will say, however, where we are today is totally insane and I did not see this happening. To go from the high of last year to an absolute disaster was not on my bingo card. I would have proposed more of a gradual improvement (with a notable ceiling) following by a decline forcing a rebuild. Where we are today was completely outside consideration when this strategy was initially proposed.

You could argue the strategy wasn't entirely wrong based on last year, but we've arrived at a far worse spot than I ever imagined.

This is how I see it too. They were always going to need to thread the needle on executing their compete now! approach, and they largely did up until this summer, but no one could have reasonably thought that the reason they would have failed to execute their plan was a combination of: (a) JT Miller turning into a huge bozo again; (b) JT Miller and Pettersson not being able to get along; (c) JT Miller's play dropping off due to him being a baby; (c) Pettersson starting to score at like half the rate he is capable of; and (d) Demko (and I know he's injury prone) suffering a totally novel injury for a goalie to suffer and (at least as of now) going from a Vezina candidate to a below average/below 900 svp goalie.

I think the good news is that, notwithstanding where we find our selves in the standings, this management hasn't proven to be incompetent and may be able to handle the inevitable retool to follow.