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[VanillaCoke]

You're making the basic mistake that you think you can predict goaltending. You can't. Most NHL teams can't.

Vejmelka might be on the pricier end of the names mentioned, but all the others will come cheap. Allen isn't going to get $4M this offseason. The other guys I named will be cheap.

Yes, I know these goalies are mystery boxes. That's the point. You don't know what you're going to get next season. No one really knows. Lankinen himself is a mystery box! He's had an .891 season. He could turn back into that! His numbers are getting worse as this season progresses. If most goalies are mystery boxes, the only way to extract any value from them is to make sure you're paying them as little as possible. Then if they turn out with a nice season, you reap big surplus value. If they implode, well, at least you didn't invest much. Or you could give someone like Lankinen a Ville Husso contract and then immediately watch it turn into a turd.

You call this a laughable take, but most people here seem to agree with me. What's laughable is that you can't understand the very basic concept that goaltending performance is extremely volatile. Like yeah, if the goalie in question is Shesterkin or Lundqvist or Luongo then it's a different story. Sorry, Lankinen is not in that tier.

Its an absurd take.

Demko Lankinen tandem is easily top ten if demko is back to normal, if not you're going to want a solid 1B even more, like Lankinen is and has been.
He wants to stay for reasonable money, is already a team fit and has performed great for several years.

Tossing that in the trash for other teams who have been desperate for goaltendings older, worse backups to save maybe 1.5% of the cap is asburd and makes zero sense.

One and a half percent.



So some ppls grand plan is have a demko Rittich/Lyon tandem to avoid spending 1M extra blueberries, demko pops a poplietus and then what?
Season is over or you're yet another pathetic team searching for goaltending.
Meanwhile the oilers easily sign Lankinen, run a much better, affordable Skinner/Lank 1a 1b split and we finna watch another scf or two..??

Agree to disagree and im sure others can easily make even more compelling reasonings but it 100% a dim jim decision to ditch your stud 1b goalie to save not even 2% of the cap or less, and roll the dice on an older mystery box.

 

[sting101]

I think it's time for Allvin and Tocchet to have this conversation with Miller

Go to 1:00.

You literally just signed your contract JT... the players haven't changed maybe its time you do..set and example be a leader....can you do that??

 

[Bleach Clean]

Going in to next year with robo-Demko and Sievlovs would be a total joke.

Hyperbole.

It's really no different than what VAN intended to do this year had Demko been ready.

But to hedge, sure, sign a $1m AAV back up.

 

[VanJack]

As IMac noted in his Sportsnet column today, the clock is ticking on the current Canucks core. With each week, and each loss, the doomsday clock is marching onward.

If they're still below the playoff bar in March, Canuck fans may not recognize the 'core' for sure. Miller and Boeser will likely be gone, and even if Demko recovers his form somewhat, he could be gone as well.

And I suspect the Canucks will also be exploring the market for some their d-men like Forbort, Desharnais and even Soucy. Depth d-,men at the TDL are a prized commodity.

So on a scale of 1-10. one being least likely and 10 being most likely, I'd say the likelihood of major roster surgery before the end of the season in April, is about an '8'.

 

[bossram]

Its an absurd take.

Demko Lankinen tandem is easily top ten if demko is back to normal, if not you're going to want a solid 1B even more, like Lankinen is and has been.
He wants to stay for reasonable money, is already a team fit and has performed great for several years.

Tossing that in the trash for other teams who have been desperate for goaltendings older, worse backups to save maybe 1.5% of the cap is asburd and makes zero sense.

One and a half percent.



So some ppls grand plan is have a demko Rittich/Lyon tandem to avoid spending 1M extra blueberries, demko pops a poplietus and then what?
Season is over or you're yet another pathetic team searching for goaltending.
Meanwhile the oilers easily sign Lankinen, run a much better, affordable Skinner/Lank 1a 1b split and we finna watch another scf or two..??

Agree to disagree and im sure others can easily make even more compelling reasonings but it 100% a dim jim decision to ditch your stud 1b goalie to save not even 2% of the cap or less, and roll the dice on an older mystery box.

You can disagree, but it is because you are fundamentally wrong. You think you have 100% accuracy on predicting goalies, which is laughable.

Again, you make the mistake of classifying every goalie except for Lankinen as a mystery box. Okay then, can you tell me with absolute certainty what Lankinen's Sv% and GSAx will be next season?

No, no one else can make more compelling reasons for you (and they haven't) because there are none.

 

[Bubbles]

I'm the exact opposite on this. Goaltending is volatile and unpredictable, at the best of times. Lankinen has done good work for them, but I don't think it really has much predictive value on what he'll be going forward.

I think Suter is as safe a bet as you can make to get reliable two-way play from the middle-six. I'm not saying I would pay him whatever he wants, but I think you can be pretty confident in the performance you'll get from him, which makes coming up with a fair-value price very easy.

Absolutely agree. Heck, we can use our scouting to find a free agent from Europe and they would provide adequate goaltending.

Handing a long term contract to Lankinen would be unnecessary.

Some people here were ready to give Spencer Martin a long term contract based on even fewer games.

 

[LemonSauceD]

As IMac noted in his Sportsnet column today, the clock is ticking on the current Canucks core. With each week, and each loss, the doomsday clock is marching onward.

If they're still below the playoff bar in March, Canuck fans may not recognize the 'core' for sure. Miller and Boeser will likely be gone, and even if Demko recovers his form somewhat, he could be gone as well.

And I suspect the Canucks will also be exploring the market for some their d-men like Forbort, Desharnais and even Soucy. Depth d-,men at the TDL are a prized commodity.

So on a scale of 1-10. one being least likely and 10 being most likely, I'd say the likelihood of major roster surgery before the end of the season in April, is about an '8'.

I already suspect the remaining core will be Hughes/Hronek/Willander/and Petey (for now). Demko too. He has no value right now.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Ya, I posted this a couple of weeks ago. I think Lankinen is being overrated a bit based on his svp., and not enough emphasis is being placed on Tochett's system and the low event hockey the Canucks are playing.

With that said, it will be a tough decision for the Canucks because Demko hasn't proven he can play well after his injury, and even if he does, he's a major injury risk. I'd be more inclined to roll the dice with a "value" goalie if Demko was playing well, but if he doesn't turn things around, and we go into next season with a mediocre Demko and a question mark.....that's not great.

If Demko can't re-establish himself this season you have to move in the summer. There will be a team willing to gamble on his last year (especially if the cap is $97M!), and he has no trade protection.

 

[Nick Lang]

Sounds like minimal interest outside NYR at this stage, and they are messing around. Just pull him off the market till the TDL. Rangers actually want a sweetener.

lol, sounds like ... according to who?

 

[VanillaCoke]

You can disagree, but it is because you are fundamentally wrong. You think you have 100% accuracy on predicting goalies, which is laughable.

Again, you make the mistake of classifying every goalie except for Lankinen as a mystery box. Okay then, can you tell me with absolute certainty what Lankinen's Sv% and GSAx will be next season?

No, no one else can make more compelling reasons for you (and they haven't) because there are none.

Nobody has 100% predictably on anything dont be even more ridiculous.
Its just obvious Lankinen is more likely to continue to provide solid play than rittich or lyon or Forsberg.
Other teams who have been desperate for saves older, worse, backup options.

To save 1.5% of the cap.

Going with what you know and have thats performed great for you and previously, is younger and has a better track record than the garbage options you want instead, is obviously the best option.

It makes no sense to ditch him for Rittich or Forsberg, or whomever garbage you're suggesting, to get worse results, just tonsave a million bucks?!

Again list the options and salaries that are BETTER than watching Lankinen win hella games for the oilers or sharks or utahs.

Should the leafs throw stolarz in the trash and sign husso to save 2m and not be leading the division, woll & husso/errson/Samsonov combo surely just as good ...

Capitals should trash Thompson and go with a Lindgren/Forsberg tandem and lose more games & miss the playoffs in ovi last?

Habs should've let Montembeault walk and go with Primeau/Dobes, they'd be outta playoff race but their fans and mgmt and ownership would be happy the team saved 2M.

Maybe we shouldve thrown joshua in the garbage pile with Lankinen, let the oilers have them both and we can sign Charlie Lindgren & curtis Lazar and save 3.2% of the cap instead, we'd all have been pumped about that!

Its so dumb but luckily Allvin knows that and is doing the opposite, the obvious decision and sign the guy you have, who's very good, younger, better track record, wants to stay, and for reasonable money.

 

[JT Milker]

Hyperbole.

It's really no different than what VAN intended to do this year had Demko been ready.

But to hedge, sure, sign a $1m AAV back up.

Yes, when Silovs was building on a decent playoff run and the Demko injury wasn’t that serious. Since then, the two have combined for ~850 sv % over ~20 games. A team with playoff aspirations would, rightfully, never do that.

Absolutely agree. Heck, we can use our scouting to find a free agent from Europe and they would provide adequate goaltending.

Handing a long term contract to Lankinen would be unnecessary.

Some people here were ready to give Spencer Martin a long term contract based on even fewer games.

Genius, every team should just do this every year.

 

[Bgav]

Yeah the province report was bullshit

 

[sting101]

sounds like they missed every trade until it happened and the last time this 3 ring circus was hovering around JT.

Yet it "sounds like" they know what's going on this time

Oh and right on time literally as i typed this....above

 

[dez]

So Friedman reported Petey wants to stay in Vancouver but he has no trade protection this year and there's a potential of PA shipping him to an undesired location. I think he has no interest in staying but will hold out another year until his NTC kicks in and then can dictate where he goes.

 

[Bgav]

So Friedman reported Petey wants to stay in Vancouver but he has no trade protection this year and there's a potential of PA shipping him to an undesired location. I think he has no interest in staying but will hold out another year until his NTC kicks in and then can dictate where he goes.

lol wild assumption

EDIT: Also what organization would want to take him on if he pulled that?

 

[Rick Rocket]

Absolutely agree. Heck, we can use our scouting to find a free agent from Europe and they would provide adequate goaltending.

Handing a long term contract to Lankinen would be unnecessary.

Some people here were ready to give Spencer Martin a long term contract based on even fewer games.

Well, I fear that whoever our backup goalie will likely have to play far more games than the average backup.

As much as I love Demko, his injury history is concerning. Hopefully Silovs can get his game going.

It's like with a car you really like – once you start fixing one issue, another one pops up, and after a while, it's probably time to sell it and get what you can.

If I remember correctly with Spencer Martin, he played great until he had to play as a starter. After x amount of starts his game dropped. I do remember thinking at the time, oh yeah, that's why he's a backup.

Most nights this year we've seen Lankinen stand on his head, however we can gamble if your goal is to save money.

Management gambled the same way just this offseason on D without a backup plan, and now we are an absolute disaster.

 

[bossram]

Nobody has 100% predictably on anything dont be even more ridiculous.
Its just obvious Lankinen is more likely to continue to provide solid play than rittich or lyon or Forsberg.
Other teams who have been desperate for saves older, worse, backup options.

To save 1.5% of the cap.

Going with what you know and have thats performed great for you and previously, is younger and has a better track record than the garbage options you want instead, is obviously the best option.

It makes no sense to ditch him for Rittich or Forsberg, or whomever garbage you're suggesting, to get worse results, just tonsave a million bucks?!

Again list the options and salaries that are BETTER than watching Lankinen win hella games for the oilers or sharks or utahs.

Should the leafs throw stolarz in the trash and sign husso to save 2m and not be leading the division, woll & husso/errson/Samsonov combo surely just as good ...

Capitals should trash Thompson and go with a Lindgren/Forsberg tandem and lose more games & miss the playoffs in ovi last?

Habs should've let Montembeault walk and go with Primeau/Dobes, they'd be outta playoff race but their fans and mgmt and ownership would be happy the team saved 2M.

Maybe we shouldve thrown joshua in the garbage pile with Lankinen, let the oilers have them both and we can sign Charlie Lindgren & curtis Lazar and save 3.2% of the cap instead, we'd all have been pumped about that!

Its so dumb but luckily Allvin knows that and is doing the opposite, the obvious decision and sign the guy you have, who's very good, younger, better track record, wants to stay, and for reasonable money.

Is it obvious Lankinen will perform better going forward? I bet Seattle thought Grubauer would be great. Detroit thought Husso was breaking out. Colorado thought Georgiev was worth it. CBJ gave Merzlikins a big contract after one good season. Countless others. You would absolutely be one saying to sign a guy like Husso. Absolutely. You probably thought Martin was going to be a stellar goalie.

And then you mention other goalies having strong performances on cheap contracts as if that's evidence against my strategy. It supports it! You're argument is laughable, you're undermining yourself. Thompson and Stolarz were picked up off the scrap heap and are giving their teams outsized performances. That's the concept we're looking for. Like we did with Lankinen this season.

I listed names. All of which will come quite cheap. It's not my problem you can't read.

You also think Elias Lindholm received a useful and worthwhile contract. I don't think anyone is really trusting your judgement of NHL contracts here.

 

[Curm]

Classic, Seravelli saying Canes at the top of the list for Miller, Patrick Johnston saying the Rangers are the only choice.

These guys probably collaborate for clicks, the misdirection is all by design, if all the talking heads spin the same tale people lose interest.

 

[rypper]

Yeah the province report was bullshit

Thomas Drance pushed back on the report as well, saying from what he heard he didn't think it was that finite and other teams were very much still in the mix.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Yes, when Silovs was building on a decent playoff run and the Demko injury wasn’t that serious. Since then, the two have combined for ~850 sv % over ~20 games. A team with playoff aspirations would, rightfully, never do that.

The reality is that a team with playoff aspirations needs to bank on Demko returning to form anyway.

Lankinen is not a mandatory re-sign.

 

[RobertKron]

Classic, Seravelli saying Canes at the top of the list for Miller, Patrick Johnston saying the Rangers are the only choice.

These guys probably collaborate for clicks, the misdirection is all by design, if all the talking heads spin the same tale people lose interest.

I think the simplest and most plausible explanation is just that Seravelli is a complete f***ing loser.

 

[TruGr1t]

lol, sounds like ... according to who?

Patrick Johnston, though he's going to have largely in-market sources, so now that Seravalli etc. have disputed that report I dunno.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I don’t think a lot of us are as “risk-tolerant” as they think they are, or as much as the team needs to be, either.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Is it obvious Lankinen will perform better going forward? I bet Seattle thought Grubauer would be great. Detroit thought Husso was breaking out. Colorado thought Georgiev was worth it. CBJ gave Merzlikins a big contract after one good season. Countless others. You would absolutely be one saying to sign a guy like Husso. Absolutely. You probably thought Martin was going to be a stellar goalie.

And then you mention other goalies having strong performances on cheap contracts as if that's evidence against my strategy. It supports it! You're argument is laughable, you're undermining yourself. Thompson and Stolarz were picked up off the scrap heap and are giving their teams outsized performances. That's the concept we're looking for. Like we did with Lankinen this season.

I listed names. All of which will come quite cheap. It's not my problem you can't read.

You also think Elias Lindholm received a useful and worthwhile contract. I don't think anyone is really trusting your judgement of NHL contracts here.

Yes it is obvious, hes the better younger goalie with the better track record, just like Stolarz who i was advocating for all summer, and Thompson who was good in vegas too.

Stolarz makes 2.5M.
Your argument is TOR should've gone with woll and ??lyon or rittich at 1M to aave 1.5M dollars and be way worse.
Amd Washington should do the same this summer, let Thompson sign in carolina and win hella games while the caps roll with lindgren and Tokarski to save 2m bucks... Seems stupid af imo.

And you dont want to pay the Lankinen, the best goalie of the bunch of trash you've mentioned less than 1.6% of the cap more than that, in a rising cap, and be worse instead.

Which is why our mgmt team is not doing that, its jimtarded.

You've listed a bunch of trash backups on bad teams who have been searching for goaltending and some obviously bad starters with trash contracts.


We're talking about four million for a top tier 1B, who are you signing thats better than Lankinen to be the 1a/1b tandem with Demko and for how much exactly?

All the options you gave are way worse even if you think saving 1.5M for ahuge downgrade is worthwhile.

Anyways clearly you want to ditch good players and great goaltending for mystery box older garbage backups because save a million dollars, which is stupid as hell so good luck im done with such a benning tier argument thankfully our management will not be doing. I would also prefer to win games instead of search for better goaltending endlessly.

 

[Bleach Clean]

You also think Elias Lindholm received a useful and worthwhile contract. I don't think anyone is really trusting your judgement of NHL contracts here.

Speaking of, what do you think of the Seravelli report that Boston is keeping tabs on the Miller front?

Lindholm is likely not long for that organization, and they seemed to have liked him here...

(I know you hate the Lindholm contract, I'm just thinking about fit (with retention))