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[Bgav]

Rumor mill is just like the Canucks. On fire one day completely ass the other

 

[I am toxic]

Dont care about his toxity, im not selling Miller 30 cents on the dollar just to fix the toxity.

If nothing else it helps us tank and get a better draft pick.



As they should be.

Also, fans, twitter , etc....may have a different perception of Miller than the actual players do.

They players know what Miller is going through outside of hockey, we dont.

Which is why i dont see Hughes saying something like "get him out of here now"


Be patient on this Miller trade, it will be huge for the franchise, dont handcuff ourselves by rushing a trade now.

Toxicyness

The word you are looking for is toxicyness

or possibly toxicyism

really, they are all good

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Unfortunately every team in the league has that same list but with Vancouver as the 4th team

50/50 chance Van wins a deal if they trade with themselves.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Toxicyness

The word you are looking for is toxicyness

or possibly toxicyism

really, they are all good

toxity is short for toxipuckmopesis. it's a well known disease spread by losing too many hockey games in a major market city with no other major sports teams. known for making sufferers go crazy.

 

[Jyrki21]

It was all downhill from here.

The first words out of Linden's mouth -- "this is a great day".

 

[BoHorvat 53]

I think they could execute a quick, Washington-style retool with the assets + cap space acquired from trading Miller, Boeser, and Suter. It is still a difficult needle to thread.

I just don't really know how much appetite they'll have for that (mostly because of Aquilini). Especially if they're on the playoff cut line at the TDL.

Not realistic, everything Washington has touched this offseason has turned into gold. Pierre Luc-Dubois has been their best player this season, John Carlsson has had a resurgence, Tom Wilson is on pace to have his best season, Rasmus Sandin is playing at a #2 level - and that's not even mentioning things like Ovechkin scoring goals at the same rate as he did in his prime, Protas playing like a borderline #1 C, Dylan Strome also producing like a borderline #1 C, Connor McMichael having a strong breakout season. They're like us from last season except taking up to a different level.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Unfortunately every team in the league has that same list but with Vancouver as the 4th team

4th? lol. we are in first place in that derby.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Not realistic, everything Washington has touched this offseason has turned into gold. Pierre Luc-Dubois has been their best player this season, John Carlsson has had a resurgence, Tom Wilson is on pace to have his best season, Rasmus Sandin is playing at a #2 level - and that's not even mentioning things like Ovechkin scoring goals at the same rate as he did in his prime, Protas playing like a borderline #1 C, Dylan Strome also producing like a borderline #1 C, Connor McMichael having a strong breakout season. They're like us from last season except taking up to a different level.

yeah, caps management are on a craps run like we have not seen in years. last year's canucks look like echl game 50/50 winners by comparison.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The first words out of Linden's mouth -- "this is a great day".

I blame Linden.

He took MONTHS in his search to find a new GM.

Apparently examined other sports (Spurs,etc).

And that's who you pick?

 

[bossram]

benning failed and his biggest sin was that he hung around far too long. some of it was things not going his way. some of it was his dumbassery and some of it was dumbassery of others, espeicially the hanging around too long part. many such stories.

i don't understand why people have to rate management as either geniuses or idiots and interpret reality in order to go all in one way or the other. the whiplash with some fans changing horses on allvin and rutherford right now being an example. there is some luck in their gig. roll with it.

and at this moment in time of all times with the clay feet of allvin on display you'd think people would consider that benning maybe had more hidden constraints and more on his plate than we knew. instead we're going to enjoy jr and allvin 20/20 hindsighted by a bunch of armchair psychics.

Benning's failings were 99% his dumbassery. I get you were one of the BenningBros, and respect to you for not retconning and pretending you weren't, but Bening was an idiot. This is a fact. Just because Aquilini gives you a mandate to be competitive doesn't mean you have to make Sbisa, Gudbranson, and Sutter key trade acquisitions, trade for OEL, sign Eriksson to a dumbass contract, et al.

I don't have whiplash on Allvin. He's mostly done a good job, with some misses at the beginning of his term that I criticized. Again, he was given a tough mandate by Aquilini and he's done a much better job with it than Benning.

 

[bossram]

Not realistic, everything Washington has touched this offseason has turned into gold. Pierre Luc-Dubois has been their best player this season, John Carlsson has had a resurgence, Tom Wilson is on pace to have his best season, Rasmus Sandin is playing at a #2 level - and that's not even mentioning things like Ovechkin scoring goals at the same rate as he did in his prime, Protas playing like a borderline #1 C, Dylan Strome also producing like a borderline #1 C, Connor McMichael having a strong breakout season. They're like us from last season except taking up to a different level.

Yeah, it's not an especially likely plan. I already acknowledged that. Which is why I literally said, "it's a difficult needle to thread".

 

[Bgav]

Will say most canucks moves come out of the blue, today fits the bill

 

[racerjoe]

The more time I think about it, the more I am ok, (ok at best) with the rumoured return on Miller and NYR.

Now hear me out cause it did take me time to get there, and I could easily say I may just be trying to convince myself.

So I do value the first pretty highly as NYR are sitting outside the playoffs and that team looks like a disaster, so I do think that is an A Level asset
and Lingren while I haven’t watched him much profiles as a guy you could also flip at the trade deadline for another first or a second and a b prospect, more things you can possibly flip.

You also have a Chytil, and I think besides his injury scares he is a good asset and solid candidate for at least the short term to be a 2C. We also were going to receive some prospects, as again more pieces we could flip.

I think there is enough there to use to flip for higher end assets.

 

[arttk]

Benning's failings were 99% his dumbassery. I get you were one of the BenningBros, and respect to you for not retconning and pretending you weren't, but Bening was an idiot. This is a fact. Just because Aquilini gives you a mandate to be competitive doesn't mean you have to make Sbisa, Gudbranson, and Sutter key trade acquisitions, trade for OEL, sign Eriksson to a dumbass contract, et al.

I don't have whiplash on Allvin. He's mostly done a good job, with some misses at the beginning of his term that I criticized. Again, he was given a tough mandate by Aquilini and he's done a much better job with it than Benning.

Benning was not just an idiot, he was THE idiot.

 

[Jyrki21]

I blame Linden.

He took MONTHS in his search to find a new GM.

Apparently examined other sports (Spurs,etc).

And that's who you pick?

 

[VanJack]

The more time I think about it, the more I am ok, (ok at best) with the rumoured return on Miller and NYR.

Now hear me out cause it did take me time to get there, and I could easily say I may just be trying to convince myself.

So I do value the first pretty highly as NYR are sitting outside the playoffs and that team looks like a disaster, so I do think that is an A Level asset
and Lingren while I haven’t watched him much profiles as a guy you could also flip at the trade deadline for another first or a second and a b prospect, more things you can possibly flip.

You also have a Chytil, and I think besides his injury scares he is a good asset and solid candidate for at least the short term to be a 2C. We also were going to receive some prospects, as again more pieces we could flip.

I think there is enough there to use to flip for higher end assets.

What Allvin needs, is an Eastern Conference 'bidding war' for Miller's services. Devils, Rangers and Hurricanes are the rumored 'front-runners'. And all of them have prospects the Canucks would be salivating over.

If all three teams are on Miller's list of acceptable teams, then maybe they can leverage the competition to return some serious assets.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I blame Linden.

He took MONTHS in his search to find a new GM.

Apparently examined other sports (Spurs,etc).

And that's who you pick?

I always forget how stupid that era was.

Trevor Linden retires in 2008 and immediately ceases to have any involvement to this franchise. He apparantly didn't attend any Canuck-related events nor was he seen at Rogers Arena for a few years. I remember being at an event in 2012 where he was speaking and he refused to talk about hockey which was fair given his desire to be seen as a prominent entrepreneur.

He gets into the real estate game after his retirement, pursues endorsement deals with CoastalContacts and then opens up Club16.

Then out of nowhere....he gets hired as president of hockey operations after Gillis gets fired. They bring in Benning, and Linden seemingly had no real role aside from being a "face" and spokesperson in his 4 years here. In some ways, that stint as president sort of tarnished his reputation here.

 

[Agent007]

The quiet days are usually when the Canucks do their business (for example nobody mentioned anything on Friday about how close a trade with the Rangers was).

With that being said GM's in this league just don't seem to act unless there's a deadline in place. I can see this dragging out until perhaps the 4 nations break (~3 more weeks). Doesn't sound like the other teams are as motivated to do something as perhaps we are right now.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I always forget how stupid that era was.

Trevor Linden retires in 2008 and immediately ceases to have any involvement to this franchise. He apparantly didn't attend any Canuck-related events nor was he seen at Rogers Arena for a few years. I remember being at an event in 2012 where he was speaking and he refused to talk about hockey which was fair given his desire to be seen as a prominent entrepreneur.

He gets into the real estate game after his retirement, pursues endorsement deals with CoastalContacts and then opens up Club16.

Then out of nowhere....he gets hired as president of hockey operations after Gillis gets fired. They bring in Benning, and Linden seemingly had no real role aside from being a "face" and spokesperson in his 4 years here. In some ways, that stint as president sort of tarnished his reputation here.

They made such a big deal about Linden coming back.

Clearly remember the video they put together in the lead up.

Just a pure PR move to get the fans onboard with a beloved former player.

But it was evident real quick he really had no mgmt sense whatsoever and completely out of his depth.

Tarnished his reputation and you can see it took a toll on him given his distance from the team since then.

Unfortunate cause I think he is genuinely a nice guy but it has changed how some people view him.

 

[supercanuck]

I always forget how stupid that era was.

Trevor Linden retires in 2008 and immediately ceases to have any involvement to this franchise. He apparantly didn't attend any Canuck-related events nor was he seen at Rogers Arena for a few years. I remember being at an event in 2012 where he was speaking and he refused to talk about hockey which was fair given his desire to be seen as a prominent entrepreneur.

He gets into the real estate game after his retirement, pursues endorsement deals with CoastalContacts and then opens up Club16.

Then out of nowhere....he gets hired as president of hockey operations after Gillis gets fired. They bring in Benning, and Linden seemingly had no real role aside from being a "face" and spokesperson in his 4 years here. In some ways, that stint as president sort of tarnished his reputation here.

Linden is still my favorite Canuck ever (and the '94 team is my favorite team), but he totally called played by Benning and Grima. When he finally realized how stupid Benning was, he got backstabbed and was forced to resign.

 

[Bobby9]

Anybody who wants to move forward with EP40 at 11.6M dollars on this team is essentially saying theyre okay with the team never winning.

At that CAP and with that production the team is doomed.

 

[StreetHawk]

Anybody who wants to move forward with EP40 at 11.6M dollars on this team is essentially saying theyre okay with the team never winning.

At that CAP and with that production the team is doomed.

Teams that move off top players are not going to compete anytime soon. That would also pretty much end Hughes time in Vancouver as well. He'd be down to 2 years left after this season, with his trade protection kicking in on July 1, 2026 to limit where he'd go, even as a rental.

Crazy to think that when they are bad, no issues in the room. When they finally win, there are issues.

Kind of why you don't want your young guys to be in a bad environment for too long. Get used to that as the standard. Vs what is needed to give in order to have sustained success long term.

 

[Wisp]

Everytime i see the name Justin Bailey. Real ones know.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Benning's failings were 99% his dumbassery. I get you were one of the BenningBros, and respect to you for not retconning and pretending you weren't, but Bening was an idiot. This is a fact. Just because Aquilini gives you a mandate to be competitive doesn't mean you have to make Sbisa, Gudbranson, and Sutter key trade acquisitions, trade for OEL, sign Eriksson to a dumbass contract, et al.

I don't have whiplash on Allvin. He's mostly done a good job, with some misses at the beginning of his term that I criticized. Again, he was given a tough mandate by Aquilini and he's done a much better job with it than Benning.

i don't think i was a benningbro but i was definitely a benning apologist and an aquaman/linden critic. my main theme is that it was bizarre how everyone focussed on benning and twisted every situation to be his fault.

 

[valkynax]

Everytime i see the name Justin Bailey. Real ones know.

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