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[Vector]

Weirdly quite day. Not just on the Canucks front but league-wide.

 

[vancityluongo]

Weirdly quite day. Not just on the Canucks front but league-wide.

 

[Deeds26]

Weirdly quite day. Not just on the Canucks front but league-wide.

Was just thinking this, very quiet to start the day, does this mean something is up, or does it mean nothing is happening?

What does it mean? Who am I? Where am I? Who are you?

 

[Quinning]

I literally had a bad feeling about Benning from the moment he took over and started opening his mouth.

It was all downhill from here.

 

[Nuckles]

Weirdly quite day. Not just on the Canucks front but league-wide.

What do you mean, San Jose is going nuts today

 

[supercanuck]

Is Demko worth more than a mid round pick right now? I don't see any point in trading him. Give him the offseason and see how he plays next year.

 

[Bgav]

Honestly pretty insane the canucks haven't even made a minor trade this season.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Allvin's strike one for me already happened. Letting Zadorov and Cole go and replacing them with Desharnais and Forbort. Going into the season with this brutal defense should or could count as a strike.

Creating this whole Miller debacle or publicly calling out Pettersson could potentially count as strikes aswell depending on how you view it.

Allvin has been a good gm but certainly hasn't been perfect this season, far from.

Have you watched Zadorov this year ? That contract is not good.

With that said, what other dmen were available? Desharnais and Forbert are bad, depth dmen, but who else could we have gotten? I don’t think getting caught in a very shallow pool can be put all on Allvin. And even having a number and sticking to it for contracts is refreshing via being taken advantage of.

 

[Vector]

What do you mean, San Jose is going nuts today

Earthshaking...

 

[Quinning]

I watched this entire video and now I'm angry all over again.

 

[StreetHawk]

Have you watched Zadorov this year ? That contract is not good.

With that said, what other dmen were available? Desharnais and Forbert are bad, depth dmen, but who else could we have gotten? I don’t think getting caught in a very shallow pool can be put all on Allvin. And even having a number and sticking to it for contracts is refreshing via being taken advantage of.

Contract impacts your view on a player. Joshua at under $1 mill is amazing. At $3.25 mill, not the same.

 

[bossram]

Any quick retool hinges on Petterson re-finding his game. If he can return to 100pts elite 2 way center, him along with Hughes are good enough to carry this team back to a top 10 teams. If we get a 55pts Petey next season, then it really doesn't matter what Allvin acquire in the JTM/Boeser/Suter trade, we would be screwed without a 1C.

For whatever reason, until this year, Ehler has always been deployed on the 2nd line with middle 6 players and no PP1 time. He rarely plays with elite talents (maybe sometimes with Laine when he was still there?), I think if he is given the Boeser-treatment here, he would be a very productive player. Look at this year, Ehler is still playing L2 with fairly average players, but just by giving him PP1 time, he has rocketed up to a PPG player. Imagine giving him L1/PP1 minutes here with Petey.

Also the skating difference between him and BB6 is huge. Ehler will help us big time in improving team speed and transition, allowing us to score more often off the rush.

I think Boeser and Ehler are both good goal scorers, they just score in different ways. Boeser is better at net front tipping in shots, and he can score from distance. Ehler is better at snaking his way around the D and scoring from close distance.

Yes. Petey needs to return to form. Otherwise any direction the Canucks take will end in failure. That's a baked-in assumption. This is partly why I would be committed to working with Petey: You need it to work. If he's not a true 1C, you're screwed anyway.

Agreed on Ehlers. He is an elite forward on the Guentzel level - someone who can make a star level impact. WPG was just stupid and never decided to put him on PP1. Now they did, and lo and behold, he produces a lot!

Elite transition player, strong 5v5 metrics, a rush creator (which is a desperate need for the Canucks). Absolutely should be at the top of their UFA board.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Contract impacts your view on a player. Joshua at under $1 mill is amazing. At $3.25 mill, not the same.

Well, yea. Too many ppl see a 4mil player getting paid 5mil and think “must get rid of him, he’s worthless!” When he’s not worthless, just overpaid. I’d argue Zadorov falls under this and considering his term, it wasn’t egregious to pass on him.

 

[brock hughes007]

I am just amazed at how this team has become a cluster f..k this year with no direction going forward.I can not justify buying a ticket to watch this gong show.I have lost faith in this management group and coaching staff.Everytime I hear Allvin say...going forward!!does he mean going backwards...So the players look very disinterested and now the fans....how do we justify wanting to buy tickets.

 

[bossram]

I watched this entire video and now I'm angry all over again.

Nice (?) refresher of how godawful Benning was. Hard to believe there were so many BenningBros back in the day. And how much of the fanbase supported Benning for so long.

Wonder where they all went? All these fans retconning their dumb dumb takes.

 

[Vector]

 

[UrbanImpact]

I think the point is more about the chemical toxicity right now from all the drama. Don’t think anyone has argued you win an in season Miller trade….

It’s the old adage of addition by subtraction….the way Miller wears his unhappiness on his sleeve and his general distain for his surroundings, it’s overdue…

Dont care about his toxity, im not selling Miller 30 cents on the dollar just to fix the toxity.

If nothing else it helps us tank and get a better draft pick.

The only reason you'd probably expedite it is if Hughes said "get him out of here, now." I can't see Hughes really doing that, so I assume they have time. Sat basically said yesterday if they don't get the return they want they are open to waiting.

As they should be.

Also, fans, twitter , etc....may have a different perception of Miller than the actual players do.

They players know what Miller is going through outside of hockey, we dont.

Which is why i dont see Hughes saying something like "get him out of here now"


Be patient on this Miller trade, it will be huge for the franchise, dont handcuff ourselves by rushing a trade now.

 

[bossram]

Dont care about his toxity, im not selling Miller 30 cents on the dollar just to fix the toxity.

If nothing else it helps us tank and get a better draft pick.

As they should be.

Also, fans, twitter , etc....may have a different perception of Miller than the actual players do.

They players know what Miller is going through outside of hockey, we dont.

Which is why i dont see Hughes saying something like "get him out of here now"


Be patient on this Miller trade, it will be huge for the franchise, dont handcuff ourselves by rushing a trade now.

1. There is no real point to tanking this season. The Canucks aren't falling into a top-five pick. There seems to be little consensus on the middle of the first round. Rather actually Fix The Team.

2. Hughes is never going to publicly say, "get this guy out of here, I hate him" about anybody. If that's your bar, get real man.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I am in full agreement with this management for once. We can't win with this core.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to deal with this situation. How do you transform this roster and construct major surgery without losing our captain.

This is not looking good Canuck fans

There is basically no way - which has been reflected in the bevy of transactions we've seen thus far. We basically need to ship players out ASAP to not devolve the situation further, and "win" the trade.

I hope y'all are patient because when you trying to what amounts to threading the eye of the needle, you'll need it.

 

[Nuckles]

I just noticed Juulsen has over 450 mins even strength TOI in 32 games this season and hasn't picked up a single point. Not even a random 2nd assist.

 

[F A N]

This strategy has largely failed the organization numerous times over the past ten years, with a few notable exceptions. They are still trying to do this and now for some reason think turning Miller into Chytil is a good idea. Unless they get out of this mindset, they will fail in all likelihood. In the reality of the current salary cap, contenders trade futures for such players, and rebuilding teams build around those type of players. Nobody is trading high-end guys in their mid-20s unlesss forced.

I think Chytil without his concussion and health issues is a good player to have and not a bad bet to fill a 2C position (i.e. good middle 6 production but lacking track record for playing 2C role). But ya, it's a case by case basis.

 

[F A N]

For whatever reason, until this year, Ehler has always been deployed on the 2nd line with middle 6 players and no PP1 time. He rarely plays with elite talents (maybe sometimes with Laine when he was still there?), I think if he is given the Boeser-treatment here, he would be a very productive player. Look at this year, Ehler is still playing L2 with fairly average players, but just by giving him PP1 time, he has rocketed up to a PPG player. Imagine giving him L1/PP1 minutes here with Petey.

Also the skating difference between him and BB6 is huge. Ehler will help us big time in improving team speed and transition, allowing us to score more often off the rush.

I'm not disputing that Ehlers isn't a good player. He certainly is. And certainly a career year would be 30+ goals 80+ points. But I also see the asking price to be similar or higher than Boeser (given that we have a chance to extend Boeser now rather than wait for UFA).

I think Boeser and Ehler are both good goal scorers, they just score in different ways. Boeser is better at net front tipping in shots, and he can score from distance. Ehler is better at snaking his way around the D and scoring from close distance.

Boeser is the better goal scorer and has the better shot. I mentioned this in response to posters talking about Boeser's shooting percentage not being sustainable but if you see his shot location stats there's been a trend of Boeser taking shots from closer to the net. Like you said, Boeser has also gotten good at tipping shots in front of the net.

Personally, I think the whole play driver vs complimentary player argument gets too much focus. Like Brett Hull wouldn't be considered much of a play driver today.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Nice (?) refresher of how godawful Benning was. Hard to believe there were so many BenningBros back in the day. And how much of the fanbase supported Benning for so long.

Wonder where they all went? All these fans retconning their dumb dumb takes.

benning failed and his biggest sin was that he hung around far too long. some of it was things not going his way. some of it was his dumbassery and some of it was dumbassery of others, espeicially the hanging around too long part. many such stories.

i don't understand why people have to rate management as either geniuses or idiots and interpret reality in order to go all in one way or the other. the whiplash with some fans changing horses on allvin and rutherford right now being an example. there is some luck in their gig. roll with it.

and at this moment in time of all times with the clay feet of allvin on display you'd think people would consider that benning maybe had more hidden constraints and more on his plate than we knew. instead we're going to enjoy jr and allvin 20/20 hindsighted by a bunch of armchair psychics.

 

[SnapIt]

I don’t agree with blowing it up but major moves will need to follow if the room is divided, star players (Miller, Pettersson, Demko, Boeser) don’t return to form, and the playoffs are out of the picture.

Some of these things haven’t been fully assessed yet and require longer than a ~45 game span.

Plus, if they’re within a sniff of playoffs, I don’t think Aqua is going to suddenly say “you know what? Gillis was right all along, let’s tear it down”

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Quiet day but here's some interesting tidbits:

Vector
-Taking a maintenance day
-Has been putting in a ton of keyboard strokes
-Need to load manage him the rest of the way

M2Beezy
-Free agent at the end of the season
-Other mods have shown interest bringing him to their forums
-Mr Canucklehead clearly wants him back but the AAV may be too high

bbud
-Heard that Gary Bettman is still trying to find his address
-Apparently very elusive and hard to find