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[Big zZz]

Marky out w a knee sprain.

Send Demko to them for a D prospect



Our owner spends to the CAP every year. He also pays OEL etc etc to play on other teams. We're lucky to have him as an owner.

Our owner hired the man and LET him sign loui Eriksson then go 5/6 contract years with him before dumping futures to get him off the team. That trade involved a guy we had to buy out anyway... For much much longer.

Everything goes through ownership. FA has final say. He's probably caused more of this dumpster fire than anyone else. Hes the only constant in the last 25 years.

So yes he should be spending to the cap if he's going to trot out this trash for the prices fans pay to go to games.

 

[Hodgy]

I’m not really sure why we are taking Mason’s comments to mean Acquillini is intervening. Seems a more likely response to the fact management doesn’t like the current offers from the current teams Miller is willing to go to.

 

[Nucker42]

This team has an AHL 4th line, traded Podz for nothing. Guessing Hoglander is next and he will bounce back in short order.

I’ve never been on board with firing the coach but my mind is starting to change. His deployment has been terrible.

 

[Bobby9]

Our owner hired the man and LET him sign loui Eriksson then go 5/6 contract years with him before dumping futures to get him off the team. That trade involved a guy we had to buy out anyway... For much much longer.

Everything goes through ownership. FA has final say. He's probably caused more of this dumpster fire than anyone else. Hes the only constant in the last 25 years.

So yes he should be spending to the cap if he's going to trot out this trash for the prices fans pay to go to games.

Buffalo, Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary, Vancouver, Philly etc have all been losers for decades. Sure, he is a part of the culture, but their are much much worse owners.

A lot of what is happening is on the players as well. A PP of Hughes, Miller, EP, Boeser shouldn't be this bad.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Okay hear me out.

Offer sheet Luke Hughes 11-12M.

1. NJ makes a tough decision whether to match.
2. Makes it extremely harder for them to sign Quinn in 2 years especially when Jack will command a 14-15M+ contract in 4 years.
3. If NJ doesn’t match, you guarantee Quinn stays and you have a Quinn-Luke pair for the next decade.
4. Luke won’t be “worth” his contract for the first few years but eventually he will be. He’s a stud top 2 dman and already a better defender than Quinn at the same age.
5. ????????
6. Profit

It's drastic, I don't hate it, but...

You blow your cap structure to shit. Suddenly you got this 12M measuring stick right there on your own team, and if your expiring contracts are performing better, they'll command just as much. If Luke makes 12M, what does Quinn get on his next contract? We'll have over 20% committed to 2 players.

This is why I didn't love the Tavares signing with Toronto. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

I appreciate the creativity, though.

 

[TruGr1t]

This team has an AHL 4th line, traded Podz for nothing. Guessing Hoglander is next and he will bounce back in short order.

I’ve never been on board with firing the coach but my mind is starting to change. His deployment has been terrible.

That's because we've been aggresively trading futures for the better part of a decade to try to compete, so you have almost no farm options that aren't AHLers at this stage.

 

[Hodgy]

Offer sheets don’t work and are a waste of time.

 

[Nucker42]

That's because we've been aggresively trading futures for the better part of a decade to try to compete, so you have almost no farm options that aren't AHLers at this stage.

100%. Still doesn’t make sense they moved Podz. They had no replacement. Currently playing Di Guiseppe over Hoglander is sure something.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

It's probably a foregone conclusion that Tocchet will not be brought back. Can we maybe bring in an intern coach to see if that can temporarily bump up the value of the players?

The status quo is probably the worst path to take. It does no one any good.

 

[Nick Lang]

Patrick Johnston, though he's going to have largely in-market sources, so now that Seravalli etc. have disputed that report I dunno.

It's funny though. If one looks at all the speculated trades actually happen cross referenced with trades that actually do happen, what is the industries hit rate? .3% or something maybe lol. These guys are all just completely not part of the process and just wildly guess at sh!t. They're almost never right, especially down to 100% details.

Personally I don't trust any of these reports.

 

[Vector]

It's funny though. If one looks at all the speculated trades actually happen cross referenced with trades that actually do happen, what is the industries hit rate? .3% or something maybe lol. These guys are all just completely not part of the process and just wildly guess at sh!t. They're almost never right, especially down to 100% details.

Personally I don't trust any of these reports.

The bolded is actually the safest tactic to take with all this. Everything is conflicting.

 

[Jyrki21]

Trading Miller in the offseason I can understand because teams are going to give you shit offers in season and better serves at the draft when things are more flexible.

Plus the Cap is going up and GMs go nuts when they can overshoot the Cap before the season starts.

I am not convinced Miller's value is going to skyrocket in the offseason as many think. He is still an expensive, older player with character questions and trade protection, and there are still only so many places that could take him on, let alone that he would agree to go to.

On top of that, they'd be getting him for one fewer playoff run than if he were traded now.

Between the team needing a shakeup on the ice, and the clear misery of the current locker room, I think holding out for a mystery deal that may never even materialize is not the best choice. I would just take what you can get now.

 

[Vector]

I am not convinced Miller's value is going to skyrocket in the offseason as many think. He is still an expensive, older player with character questions and trade protection, and there are still only so many places that could take him on, let alone that he would agree to go to.

On top of that, they'd be getting him for one fewer playoff run than if he were traded now.

Between the team needing a shakeup on the ice, and the clear misery of the current locker room, I think holding out for a mystery deal that may never even materialize is not the best choice. I would just take what you can get now.

The issue being that teams, and this is just my opinion, are probably trying to get the Canucks to retain on the contract and offer almost nothing in return. That puts the team in a far worse position now and going forward. Would also prevent maximizing on a Boeser trade as well since that would tie up their only available retention slot.

 

[Qwijibo]

Okay hear me out.

Offer sheet Luke Hughes 11-12M.

1. NJ makes a tough decision whether to match.
2. Makes it extremely harder for them to sign Quinn in 2 years especially when Jack will command a 14-15M+ contract in 4 years.
3. If NJ doesn’t match, you guarantee Quinn stays and you have a Quinn-Luke pair for the next decade.
4. Luke won’t be “worth” his contract for the first few years but eventually he will be. He’s a stud top 2 dman and already a better defender than Quinn at the same age.
5. ????????
6. Profit

Compensation on $11m is two 1st round picks, two 2nd round picks and a 3rd round pick. Vancouver doesn't have thier 3rd round pick this year (or next year).
Compensation for $12m is four 1st round picks

 

[Jyrki21]

The issue being that teams, and this is just my opinion, are probably trying to get the Canucks to retain on the contract and offer almost nothing in return. That puts the team in a far worse position now and going forward. Would also prevent maximizing on a Boeser trade as well since that would tie up their only available retention slot.

Agreed, I would retain under zero circumstances, even if that means prolonging the misery of the present season. Full red line.

 

[Bgav]

 

[calnuck]

Buffalo, Toronto, Ottawa, Calgary, Vancouver, Philly etc have all been losers for decades. Sure, he is a part of the culture, but their are much much worse owners.

A lot of what is happening is on the players as well. A PP of Hughes, Miller, EP, Boeser shouldn't be this bad.

I think that’s what makes this season so frustrating. We know they’re not this bad so what’s causing it?

If the EP/ Miller nonsense is creating a rift in the locker room, management needs to stop sitting in their hands and make a move. It doesn’t matter who it is. Choose which player(s) fit into how you want this team to look going forward and move out the distractions.

It doesn’t matter at this point if it’s EP, Miller, Boeser, Demko etc because it’s clearly not working and something’s got to give.
Also would like to move on from Tocchet after this season. I think he’s done what he can but he looks like he’s out of answers. I feel bad because this defense is ahl level but moving core pieces requires a coaching change and new voice/ message in my mind

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

It's the same news repackaged over and over.

Next journalist will probably scale back and say "Miller is open to the task at hand."

Then you will get someone else restate the fact that there is a "irreconcilable relationship."

It's like the drama from high school when a person would announce they were breaking up with their boyfriend 200 times during the school year. Yeah, you guys will eventually split but no one cares after a while.

 

[Vector]

Any tweet with eye emojis should immediately get that person banned. I find that shit so infuriating.

 

[Vector]

Rankings

1. J.T. Miller

• Canucks have reached a point where they are ready to move on
• Miller is ready to move as well
• Canucks trying to extract the most value as possible
• Hurricanes, Bruins, Devils, and to a lesser-extent Stars have checked on prices
• All involved have varying degrees of sincerity

30. Elias Pettersson

• Longer Miller is on the roster, may be forced to pivot towards having conversations about him again
• Talks were much more robust than with Miller
• Not impossible he gets traded
• NMC starts on July 1st

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Any tweet with eye emojis should immediately get that person banned. I find that shit so infuriating.

edit: Removed a few lines due to my trypophobia.

 

[I am toxic]

I've always resented being told when and when not to be surprised.

Don't be surprised when you resent this post.

 

[TruGr1t]

They don't really have to trade Miller first. There are a bunch of guys that can be moved. Find some value and start somewhere.

 

[vancityluongo]

Okay hear me out.

Offer sheet Luke Hughes 11-12M.

1. NJ makes a tough decision whether to match.
2. Makes it extremely harder for them to sign Quinn in 2 years especially when Jack will command a 14-15M+ contract in 4 years.
3. If NJ doesn’t match, you guarantee Quinn stays and you have a Quinn-Luke pair for the next decade.
4. Luke won’t be “worth” his contract for the first few years but eventually he will be. He’s a stud top 2 dman and already a better defender than Quinn at the same age.
5. ????????
6. Profit

Big difference between 11 and 12 haha:

I like the idea at $11.45M, but wonder if NJ just matches at that. While above that is terrifying - four years of picks from this team that we're seeing such a year over year decline from could just be Phil Kessel - Tyler Seguin part 2... and up to x4

 

[Bgav]

Any tweet with eye emojis should immediately get that person banned. I find that shit so infuriating.