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[Ernie]

From @Vector



It's great to see Pettersson out here with Daniel Sedin (and Tocchet). If anyone in the organization is in a position to help him get his mental game back, it's the Sedins.

Their ability to block out the extremely toxic noise while being elite players and outstanding individuals is ridiculous. They are the ones who should have been tasked with helping him get to the next level, not JT bloody Miller. Of course, Pettersson has to understand he needs the help first and be willing to accept it.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

From @Vector



It's great to see Pettersson out here with Daniel Sedin (and Tocchet). If anyone in the organization is in a position to help him get his mental game back, it's the Sedins.

Their ability to block out the extremely toxic noise while being elite players and outstanding individuals is ridiculous. They are the ones who should have been tasked with helping him get to the next level, not JT bloody Miller. Of course, Pettersson has to understand he needs the help first and be willing to accept it.

But can they get him to smile?

 

[MS]

Except they are getting the PP minutes (almost two and a half minutes for Cozens and just under 2 min for Power), they just aren't producing anything there.

i'd rather have Mcleod than Cozens...better ESP, very good defensively and on the PK. despite the raise coming...he'll still be cheaper than Cozens.

Something around Mcleod and Power would work IMO.

Sorry, I meant to say PP1 minutes.

General point is that Power's ES production this year is elite and Cozens' is pretty average 2C stuff but both are tracking for only 35-40 points because they have zero PP production. Both have performed well on the PP in the past so it isn't like it's a 'they can't do it' thing either.

 

[Ernie]

But can they get him to smile?

I know this is tongue in cheek but they didn't smile a lot. Just quietly went about their business of being the best in the league.

 

[rypper]

Cue some posts from the usual suspects mocking Pettersson for being held after class for extra tutoring.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Power + Kulich for Petey?

In an ideal world you try for those two as the main return for the 15pts in 10 games EP, and add cozens as a "cap casualty", plus whatever need be from van to make that happen.

Hopefully thats Heinen and Hoglander, but if its pius suter + ep2 or something then whatever.

If BUF doesn't do Kulich you try for Peterka, worst case settle for Quinn and Krebs or greenway + or something.

The chances ep bounces back in a less pressured environment with less travel etc are pretty high, so try to get the best package possible while buf is kinda desperate for significant change too.


Hughes hronek
Power willander

For the next eight years is pretty damn compelling.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

Trading Pettersson because you can’t get a return for Miller would be exceptionally stupid. Miller isn’t going to change once Pettersson is gone, and it sounds like the player is ready to move on anyway. Quinn Hughes is in his prime. Imagine if the Luongo, Schneider trades happened in 2009-10 instead of the tail end of the Sedins career. You trade Pettersson if you don’t think he can return to form or get an equivalent player. I’d honestly look at getting rid of Tocchet first and getting a more offensive minded coach. Pettersson looked like a top 5 C playing under Boudreau.

 

[alternate]

Hate the idea of trading EP. He's supposed to be the Chosen One ffs. Have to get a premium piece back if he is going. And still have to move JTM as it sounds like that bridge is toast.

Guess I'd be looking to acquire as much "high floor with potential" C depth and fingers crossed someone pops in time to keep Hughes.

Add a Byrum or Power, with Willander joining in the spring, and the defense could be very strong. There's no replacing EP's or even JTM's offensive upside (short of luck) so try to build a roster of 4 2a/2b type lines, and hope the defense can tilt the ice and we score by committee.

Being a Canucks fan sucks.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Miller will probably have the most value on deadline day when all the teams and positioning themselves for a cup run, other teams will take on salary dumps and Miller will become an important piece on whatever team we trade him to, I wonder if we have turned down offers from western teams

 

[Bleach Clean]

From @Vector



It's great to see Pettersson out here with Daniel Sedin (and Tocchet). If anyone in the organization is in a position to help him get his mental game back, it's the Sedins.

Their ability to block out the extremely toxic noise while being elite players and outstanding individuals is ridiculous. They are the ones who should have been tasked with helping him get to the next level, not JT bloody Miller. Of course, Pettersson has to understand he needs the help first and be willing to accept it.

How people have arrived at Pettersson being immature is hilarious to me.

Look at this guy. Look at what he does when the team still tries to trade him. He's not quitting on this franchise. Not when the coach helps kill his offense and the GM shames him for his conditioning.

Pettersson, you have my respect.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I personally like Byram over Power because I think Power will have a lot more value to the Sabres and I think they are comparable. I like Power more but he was a first overall pick locked up long term so no contract uncertainty like Byram.

 

[Nucker101]

If we’re heading towards a retool, Garland’s one of the few players I’d like to keep. This team needs his identity and drive. We need more Garland’s (personality, mentality, and drive is what I’m referring to)

Agreed, if you want to build an identity I want vets around who bring it every night and don’t shy away from intense games/moments

More Garland/Sherwood/Blueger types, less Carson “help up Corey Perry after he body slammed your best player” Soucy

 

[Nucker101]

How people have arrived at Pettersson being immature is hilarious to me.

Look at this guy. Look at what he does when the team still tries to trade him. He's not quitting on this franchise. Not when the coach helps kill his offense and the GM shames him for his conditioning.

Pettersson, you have my respect.

Great sign, I’m just not sure if he’s really built to be a puck protection player though. He needs to play a little more water bug style and do everything fast pace and keep moving with and without the puck.

Defenders just knock him over when he tries to hold onto the puck moving slowly with his back to them. Tocchet’s “hold onto puck to make plays” methodology isn’t ideal for Petey imo.

 

[TruGr1t]

From @Vector



It's great to see Pettersson out here with Daniel Sedin (and Tocchet). If anyone in the organization is in a position to help him get his mental game back, it's the Sedins.

Their ability to block out the extremely toxic noise while being elite players and outstanding individuals is ridiculous. They are the ones who should have been tasked with helping him get to the next level, not JT bloody Miller. Of course, Pettersson has to understand he needs the help first and be willing to accept it.

What Pettersson really needs is whatever the Sedins did in terms of diet and strength training in their 23/24 seasons that saw them come back jacked to holy Hell and establish the insane cycle game where they’d carry three guys around on their back.

Sedins also had “skinny teenager” syndrome early in their career but became fitness fanatics.

Pettersson doesn’t need skill lessons and he is definitely smart enough.

 

[BWJM]

Power + Kulich for Petey?

Hell ya. I'd literally go into hiding in fear they think I robbed buffalo if we made that trade.

 

[Ernie]

Trading Pettersson because you can’t get a return for Miller would be exceptionally stupid. Miller isn’t going to change once Pettersson is gone, and it sounds like the player is ready to move on anyway. Quinn Hughes is in his prime. Imagine if the Luongo, Schneider trades happened in 2009-10 instead of the tail end of the Sedins career. You trade Pettersson if you don’t think he can return to form or get an equivalent player. I’d honestly look at getting rid of Tocchet first and getting a more offensive minded coach. Pettersson looked like a top 5 C playing under Boudreau.

The problem is that with every passing game, Pettersson moves further from "every star has a slump" to the "this guy needs a change of scenery" territory.

It's a good thing that the Hurricanes, who are known for making smart bets, considered him value for his contract still. However, they may have factored in that he would benefit from a trade into a lower pressure market.

 

[Michael Dal Swolle]

Hate the idea of trading EP. He's supposed to be the Chosen One ffs. Have to get a premium piece back if he is going. And still have to move JTM as it sounds like that bridge is toast.

Guess I'd be looking to acquire as much "high floor with potential" C depth and fingers crossed someone pops in time to keep Hughes.

Add a Byrum or Power, with Willander joining in the spring, and the defense could be very strong. There's no replacing EP's or even JTM's offensive upside (short of luck) so try to build a roster of 4 2a/2b type lines, and hope the defense can tilt the ice and we score by committee.

Being a Canucks fan sucks.

If I'm the GM I think this is the direction I'm going in too.

Target Power/Byram, or ideally pry both of them out of Buffalo if you can for EP40.

Split up Hughes and Hronek to each take a young D partner:

Hughes - Power
Hronek - Willander (Or Byram if he can be gotten with Power)
Myers - Soucy/EP25

Keep Miller until a team makes a reasonable offer. Boeser can stay on a reasonable offer or be dealt at the deadline.

Re-sign Lankinen and hope that Demko finds his game. If not, hope that Lankinen can keep making low-danger saves at an elite rate and focus on limiting high-danger chances.

Play low event, four line hockey and take advantage of a good skating D corps that can get the puck out of their own zone, run the powerplay through Hughes. It'll be boring as hell but it might win games.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Great sign, I’m just not sure if he’s really built to be a puck protection player though. He needs to play a little more water bug style and do everything fast pace and keep moving with and without the puck.

Defenders just knock him over when he tries to hold onto the puck moving slowly with his back to them. Tocchet’s “hold onto puck to make plays” methodology isn’t ideal for Petey imo.

I don't think Pettersson is ideal for Tocchet. Neither is Hughes, but he's just so damned good that Tocchet overlooks his frame, net front and down low cycle deficiencies.

I agree with you, Pettersson accelerates for space. Uses stick work and guile. He is slowed by... something. As a result, they're teaching him to hold onto pucks to make plays instead.

There was a play in the WSH game where he was rushing the puck, stopped and tried to deke back high toward the slot, but the defender was able to stop and accelerate toward Pettersson's outstretched stick before Pettersson could start skating to support his own deke. It was painful to watch. Pettersson has no burst whatsoever.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Great sign, I’m just not sure if he’s really built to be a puck protection player though. He needs to play a little more water bug style and do everything fast pace and keep moving with and without the puck.

Defenders just knock him over when he tries to hold onto the puck moving slowly with his back to them. Tocchet’s “hold onto puck to make plays” methodology isn’t ideal for Petey imo.

Well, he kind of has to be this type of player if he wants to do anything of note. I don’t think his skating will ever improve, he’d have to relearn his whole stride which would f*** him up even more.

I’ve been clamouring (offline) to get the Sedins on this guy. The team needs their wisdom bad.

 

[Jerry the great]

Sorry, I meant to say PP1 minutes.

General point is that Power's ES production this year is elite and Cozens' is pretty average 2C stuff but both are tracking for only 35-40 points because they have zero PP production. Both have performed well on the PP in the past so it isn't like it's a 'they can't do it' thing either.

I'd be willing to roll the dice on Power eventually earning his contract, and while he might currently be putting up ESP at an impressive clip (20 of 25 esp are at 5v5 and almost half those are 2A), he's giving up a lot defensively (or at least his team is while he's on the ice). His on ice 5v5 share of shots, chances incl high danger, goals (real and imagined haha) are all well under 50. And it isn't like he's getting lead weighted deployment situations.

I just wouldn't want to take on both those contracts as the risk that neither player earns them is non trivial IMO.

 

[Bleach Clean]

If I'm the GM I think this is the direction I'm going in too.

Target Power/Byram, or ideally pry both of them out of Buffalo if you can for EP40.

Split up Hughes and Hronek to each take a young D partner:

Hughes - Power
Hronek - Willander (Or Byram if he can be gotten with Power)
Myers - Soucy/EP25

Keep Miller until a team makes a reasonable offer. Boeser can stay on a reasonable offer or be dealt at the deadline.

Re-sign Lankinen and hope that Demko finds his game. If not, hope that Lankinen can keep making low-danger saves at an elite rate and focus on limiting high-danger chances.

Play low event, four line hockey and take advantage of a good skating D corps that can get the puck out of their own zone, run the powerplay through Hughes. It'll be boring as hell but it might win games.

Old Nashville.

 

[MS]

I'd be willing to roll the dice on Power eventually earning his contract, and while he might currently be putting up ESP at an impressive clip (20 of 25 esp are at 5v5 and almost half those are 2A), he's giving up a lot defensively (or at least his team is while he's on the ice). His on ice 5v5 share of shots, chances incl high danger, goals (real and imagined haha) are all well under 50. And it isn't like he's getting lead weighted deployment situations.

I just wouldn't want to take on both those contracts as the risk that neither player earns them is non trivial IMO.

And again, this is what we very often see with high-pick, high-profile young defenders. Especially bigger ones. They break in and wow everyone as rookies with their physical tools in soft minutes and then as the leverage gets bumped up they have a few seasons where they just eat shit and struggle and everyone says they're overrated ... and then they come out the other side at age 24-26.

Power is a massive talent. #1 overall pick, should have won the Calder two years ago. He's going to be a very, very good defender for a very long time. Right now will probably end up being the low point of his career.

 

[Diversification]

Great sign, I’m just not sure if he’s really built to be a puck protection player though. He needs to play a little more water bug style and do everything fast pace and keep moving with and without the puck.

Defenders just knock him over when he tries to hold onto the puck moving slowly with his back to them. Tocchet’s “hold onto puck to make plays” methodology isn’t ideal for Petey imo.

Agreed. What I hate most about EP - and this is going back years - is that once we've established possession in the o zone, he turns his back to the net and sets up as bumper or set up guy on the flank. He's just not built for that type of play. Sneaking in and out, floating into soft coverage, that's what he should be doing.

 

[arttk]

Curious to see who @MS would target from Buffalo in a petey trade (and any other realistic targets from other teams)?

Oh @MS LOVES Tage Thompson, I bet he has a lot to say about him lol
/sarcasm

 

[andora]

Agreed. What I hate most about EP - and this is going back years - is that once we've established possession in the o zone, he turns his back to the net and sets up as bumper or set up guy on the flank. He's just not built for that type of play. Sneaking in and out, floating into soft coverage, that's what he should be doing.

Makes sense.. so we need a winger that plays like a center in the ozone so petey can play like a winger