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- Aug 28, 2011
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So…
Pettersson for Power and Cozens (retained)?
Management decides to go with the 6’6 defender which makes too much sense. lol
Pettersson for Power and Cozens (retained)?
Management decides to go with the 6’6 defender which makes too much sense. lol
I'd 100% be after Owen Power and then I'd try to get them to retain on Cozens down to a more appropriate cap hit to replace Pettersson at C.
We see elite young defenders have this 'bad patch' in years 2-4 of their careers over and over and over again as they transition from 'wow, look at this amazing rookie doing great things in soft minutes' to 'this is an actual top defender able to play leverage minutes'. Power is in that right now and is going to come out of it and be a top player for the next decade. Also, note his ES production - guy while 'playing bad' is 7th in the NHL in ES points for defenders.
TruGr1t
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I’m not sure you’re gonna even win this argument in negotiations. Pettersson has one 100+ point season in his career, and has been closer to a 60-70 point player for basically a year now. You can argue he may rebound, but calling him a “100 point” player seems a bit of. stretch.
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Yes but in NHL GM terms he's a 100 point player locked up to a contract. That's all that matter at this point. I feel like that's why alot are pushing to move him. Maybe move him before that isn't true anymore.
SelltheTeamFrancesco
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Who isn’t dudes a stud. I heard the Jim Benning was a big fan that’s all I need to know.
I'm not against trading EP per se, but keeping JT would be a huge mistake. We may go on a little run after the trade, and may even squeeze into the playoffs to get trounced in the first round. However, he'll eventually just end up bullying another player...perhaps Power or Cozens or whoever we get back. It will just be a non-stop cycle. There's a reason why no one is willing to give up more than scraps for a 100 pt power forward C on a good 8M per season contract (or an even better 5.25M for 2 seasons when he was 2/3 years younger).
Just A Bit Outside
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I don’t care who gets dealt to Buffalo but Kulich absolutely needs to be included in any deal.
He has Top 6 C upside IMO.
If you can get him, Power and something else in an EP deal, I’d be very inclined to do it.
He has Top 6 C upside IMO.
If you can get him, Power and something else in an EP deal, I’d be very inclined to do it.
Breakers
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We don’t have a single line to have reached 200 minutes together which is wild
I mean we don’t even have a line at 180 minutes together
I mean we don’t even have a line at 180 minutes together
Peen
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I don't see it with Cozens, and I've always talked about how anti-concussion prone players I am. Okay Power isn't that, and that's a unique opportunity instead of Byram, but it still makes me wonder...
How are you going to turn Miller, Boeser, Demko into two elite first line forwards if you don't get one of those with Pettersson? Because that's the task they'd have if they're not doing that in the Pettersson trade.
Cozens just seems like a guy. Big, not particularly fast, not a driver. That's fine. But he makes a lot of money. And wow will we struggle to score.
How are you going to turn Miller, Boeser, Demko into two elite first line forwards if you don't get one of those with Pettersson? Because that's the task they'd have if they're not doing that in the Pettersson trade.
Cozens just seems like a guy. Big, not particularly fast, not a driver. That's fine. But he makes a lot of money. And wow will we struggle to score.
You don’t just “get those elite first line players”. More often than not, you have to draft them.
Agent007
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Not sure Buffalo would retain on a player with 5 years left (not impossible tho). If you can’t get retention then I would imagine we’d dump some of our disposable cap hits like VD maybe heinen (I believe we would need to include around $4M of cap hit going the other way).
I mean, our two stupid immature star players have put us in a crappy situation. There's no perfect way out of this.
With Power, at least you're getting a top-level young asset signed basically through the entirety of his prime years. You aren't taking some shitty Chytil/Lindgren/late 1st package to get out of the situation. Even if Power isn't a perfect fit, you're getting a ton of years of control on a high-level young asset that worst-case can also always potentially be flipped for a comparable forward.
Yeah, don't know if retention is possible there. But I'd certainly be trying.
The thing with both Power and Cozens is that their value will be suppressed right now because they don't have hockey card stats because they don't get PP minutes and have 3 PP points between them this year. Cozens is actually more productive at ES this year than guys like Garland and Debrusk and barely behind Boeser.
Reverend Mayhem
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Reddit is one of those deprivation tanks for rational thought. Some good posters, but public opinion sways what you can see and cannot see.
I don’t trust public opinion for a f***ing second.
Beerz
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You really can't compare Myers and Power other than them both being tall.
Power has infinitely more talent than Myers ever had.
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I don’t love it, which probably makes it fair value. Yeah, I’d do that if the sweetener was small.
I mean yeah, he’s stuck behind Hughes but I look at it as we could have one of them on the ice for 86.7% of a playoff game.
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If MS is in I’m in SHIP HIS ASS OUT OF TOWN
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Going to pissed if EP is traded and Cozens is the main piece.
He’s not that good.
He’s not that good.
ephmrl
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Sounds like the main piece would either be Byram or Power
Hughes is so special that I don't even think we'd see much of a downgrade by replacing the minutes that Miller/Pettersson plays with him by slotting in Cozens instead. All the offence flows through Hughes regardless.
Reverend Mayhem
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Unless you’re Luke Schenn. But he’s a f***ing anomaly.
You’ve been pissed all season, I think you could handle it.
Also prepare to be pissed when whatever trade finally breaks because it’s going to be a loss for us.
IMO Cozens as the cap dump piece would be a lot like acquiring a large wooden horse that you only have to throw some soldiers in. His value stinks, I’d love to speculate on it.
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Except they are getting the PP minutes (almost two and a half minutes for Cozens and just under 2 min for Power), they just aren't producing anything there.
i'd rather have Mcleod than Cozens...better ESP, very good defensively and on the PK. despite the raise coming...he'll still be cheaper than Cozens.
Something around Mcleod and Power would work IMO.
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I’ve been pissed since 2011.Unless you’re Luke Schenn. But he’s a f***ing anomaly.
You’ve been pissed all season, I think you could handle it.
Also prepare to be pissed when whatever trade finally breaks because it’s going to be a loss for us.
If it’s Power+, I’m onboard.
I’d much rather have Kulich than Cozens. I think he has more upside.
I’d rather Power than Byram but I think mgmt is dead set on Byram which I don’t agree with.
I’d want more if it’s Byram. And unfortunately, I think if it’s Byram, Cozens comes with him.
