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[MarkusNaslund19]

The window essentially ends when Hughes contract expires, because he's going to be worth a max or near max contract for 8 years. Either he's getting it here, which restricts our cap space, or he's getting it from one of the other 31 teams in the league.

Hard hard hard disagree.

Your window doesn't end just because your elite players are paid what they are worth.

Also, all things being equal we have now left the flat cap era so Hughes making 14 million in 3 years won't be the same as him making 14 million in 5 years etc.

 

[Wisp]

Dreaming up Zadarov scenarios is just fanwanking. Have fun but you're just overdosing on hopium.

 

[credulous]

Hard hard hard disagree.

Your window doesn't end just because your elite players are paid what they are worth.

Also, all things being equal we have now left the flat cap era so Hughes making 14 million in 3 years won't be the same as him making 14 million in 5 years etc.

i don't think the window slams shut when hughes needs a new contract but hughes can walk if he wants and it definitely doesn't hurt to have a 4-6m salary cap advantage from paying hughes 7m instead of 11-13m. yeah if everything goes right then 2027/28 the window is still open but a lot can go wrong. gotta leverage advantages when you have them and not take them for granted

 

[Curm]

Dreaming up Zadarov scenarios is just fanwanking. Have fun but you're just overdosing on hopium.

Here's a fanwank for you, I'd do DeBrusk and Forbort for Zadorov and a pick, and $2 million in cap space.

 

[WTG]

I think what will come up in the upcoming contract environment is that long term contracts are going to become much more valuable. If the cap is really going to increase over 20 million over a few seasons then having term is what is going to matter.

All of a sudden those 5 million dollar deals seem more like 3 million deals. It's all about % of cap, the fact that we still to this day only talk about flat numbers as if the cap as a way to evaluate if the contract is good is a bit silly.

 

[theguardianII]

Boeser for Zadorov if Miller comes back, DeBrusk? It was his home for quite awhile.

Hard hard hard disagree.

Your window doesn't end just because your elite players are paid what they are worth.

Also, all things being equal we have now left the flat cap era so Hughes making 14 million in 3 years won't be the same as him making 14 million in 5 years etc.

Take the time he has on contract now, he would want to play with his brothers. If he did and Canuck fans feel he abandoned them he only faces this market once a year

If Hughes keeps on at his current scoring rate 14 mil in 3 years won't be enough, more like 18 mil. This year the max is 14 mil and in 3 more years a likely 15 million increase in the cap maybe more that is why Zadorov's 5 mil is a bargain in 2 years when he is 31yrs old.

Wouldn't be nuts if they make a Zadorov trade while back east now. Garland and Deharnais for big Z.
They get a water bug and another large dman for 6.75 mil for one player at 5 mil. I thought Zadorov signed for 6 years but PP is showing 4 years.

Small defence is okay for the easy season but the real season the winning teams all have very large humans on defence well over the league average.

i don't think the window slams shut when hughes needs a new contract but hughes can walk if he wants and it definitely doesn't hurt to have a 4-6m salary cap advantage from paying hughes 7m instead of 11-13m. yeah if everything goes right then 2027/28 the window is still open but a lot can go wrong. gotta leverage advantages when you have them and not take them for granted

If the team isn't any better, a playoff team going deep more than once, will it worth keeping him or using his value to make a major change.
That is another thing most fans and posters seem to think the player like all the heat in a Canadian city.
He was an RFA when he signed this contract so limited choices, at the time he was a defensive black hole.
IMO if the team still isn't there then start considering the best deal that the team can get starting at the end of next year, there would be most of the 3rd season to see how things are going the last thing this team wants is another Tkachuk happening. Either he signs a new deal by January of the 3rd year or is dealt at or before the TDL, I would start the process in July though when all the teams are restructuring. The best trade date might be next year's TDL because the other team would have him for a full year at a bargain.
He has been in the system since 2018 already.

 

[archangel2]

Dreaming up Zadarov scenarios is just fanwanking. Have fun but you're just overdosing on hopium.

How will we afford his 5mill contract?

The window essentially ends when Hughes contract expires, because he's going to be worth a max or near max contract for 8 years. Either he's getting it here, which restricts our cap space, or he's getting it from one of the other 31 teams in the league.

Canucks window has not opened yet

 

[Hodgy]

That really doesn’t change what I said though. Any way you slice it, this team’s core is in their prime, best years now. The future is NOW for this team, no matter how good you think they can be. Slowly adding depth isn’t the answer if it means you age out Miller/Boeser/Hughes/Demko.

Ya. It’s pretty obvious that this team needs to add a youngish top four defensemen ideally on the right side that can give us 3-5 years of solid top four play. Ideally, obviously, you get a cost controlled guy.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Ya. It’s pretty obvious that this team needs to add a youngish top four defensemen ideally on the right side that can give us 3-5 years of solid top four play. Ideally, obviously, you get a cost controlled guy.

Willander? Maybe not for a run this season, but I don’t think he’s far off, no point wasting assets on a longterm fit at probably the most costly position to fill.

I think the bigger hole is a guy on the left side that can move the puck and PK. I’ll be surprised if Allvin doesn’t have interest in Marcus Pettersson.

 

[dez]

Zadorov brain farts a plenty tonight vs Utah.

 

[ManVanFan]

Petey's career low is higher.

 

[brock hughes007]

Petey's career low is higher.

Mvp so far..he has been terrific.

 

[mriswith]

Petey's career low is higher.

Hockey card stats can be deceiving. Garland typically produces almost everything at even strength whereas EP scores a lot of PP points.

Garland's best season was 49 ES points, something both EP and Miller have only surpassed twice (only in their 90-100 point seasons). EP and Miller at their best are obviously way better players but how good Garland is flies under the radar. Garland's a production monster and he does it without premium ice time or linemates. I haven't checked his penalties drawn recently but he's also typically at the top of the league in that category as well.

Ironically his ES scoring this year is pacing below his normal pace for the last 5 years and the only reason he's pacing a career high is because he's getting a lot more PP time than he ever has before in Van. Which is also the exact reason raw point totals are deceiving.

Hs ES pace will increase now that he isn't with a stone cold EP and Joshua is back. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps getting this much PP time.

 

[Diablo2020]

Miller, Forbort, Soucy, Desharnais
for
Lindholm, Zadorov, Carlo, 1st

 

[mriswith]

Boston would have to retain 50% on Lindholm for me to even consider taking him for free and even then I don't automatically accept. Loui 2.0.

Look for a premium rental you'd love to re-sign like Vegas landing Hanifin for a 1st+2nd, or target a horribly mis-used and misunderstood asset like Washington did when they got Chychrun for a song or like when Sanheim was probably available for next to nothing a few seasons ago. No need to bend over backwards for overpaid assets whose time has passed, pining over the massively overpaid Lindholm or Zad is just a symptom of mgmt's poor pro scouting and a failure to fill the obvious gaps in our lineup this summer.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Miller, Forbort, Soucy, Desharnais
for
Lindholm, Zadorov, Carlo, 1st

Bruins do this deal. We don’t.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

i don't think the window slams shut when hughes needs a new contract but hughes can walk if he wants and it definitely doesn't hurt to have a 4-6m salary cap advantage from paying hughes 7m instead of 11-13m. yeah if everything goes right then 2027/28 the window is still open but a lot can go wrong. gotta leverage advantages when you have them and not take them for granted

But you can completely destroy tomorrow in order to over leverage yourself for today.

Like if we deal Lek and Willander and our next handful of first round picks because the window has to be NOW, then it becomes as self-fulfilling prophecy that we will fail because there will be literally no support coming from underneath.

 

[StreetHawk]

But you can completely destroy tomorrow in order to over leverage yourself for today.

Like if we deal Lek and Willander and our next handful of first round picks because the window has to be NOW, then it becomes as self-fulfilling prophecy that we will fail because there will be literally no support coming from underneath.

Not really many kids you can bank on. In order, it's likely Wallinder, Lekky, D. Petey before you face a drop. That's a RW and 2 Dmen. Guys making the big $ have to lead the way and GM has to find a couple of bargains.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

There was the Marty McSorley trade to Pittsburgh back in the 1990s that the teams basically un-did midway through the first season.

I feel like there was a mid-level UFA this happened with about 10 years ago but I can't think of the team or the name.

I found a few examples of guys either being traded back after a full season, or signing back as a free agent (Alex Tanguay, Patrick Marleau, Peter Forsberg, Matt Cullen, etc.) - some as many as 3 times with the same team.

But I don't think there's a direct comparable for a situation like this where the guy gets traded back so quickly after being a marquee acquisition.

the big one that comes to mind is how philly shanked tampa during the chris gratton fiasco

so philly signs chris gratton to a bonkers offer sheet after his first (and only) 30 goal season.

then they traded mikael renberg and karl dykhuis to tampa for their compensatory first round picks back.

​

Tampa Bay Lightning acquire​	Date​	Philadelphia Flyers acquire​
Karl Dykhuis Mikael Renberg	August 20, 1997​	1998 1st round pick (#22-Simon Gagne) 1999 1st round pick (#22-Maxime Ouellet) 2000 1st round pick (#28-Justin Williams) 2001 1st round pick (#23-Tim Gleason)

a year later they send gratton back to TB to reacquire renberg. only they also gained young daymond langkow, three years on from being picked 5th overall, and only had to give up mike sillinger.

​

Tampa Bay Lightning acquire​	Date​	Philadelphia Flyers acquire​
Chris Gratton Mike Sillinger	December 12, 1998​	Daymond Langkow Mikael Renberg

so in addition to getting a mulligan, they also fleeced tampa into throwing in effectively a langkow for dykhuis and sillinger trade.

 

[God]

Just out of curiosity, is there a comparable circumstance where a player has left a team, signed a big money deal as a key acquisition, and then been promptly shipped back to his old team?

There's something scratching at my brain saying there's a comparable or two, but I'm drawing a blank. At any rate, it's rare and/or doesn't happen.

yeah, sean avery, though the rangers were pretty much the only team that was going to take him.

cammalleri signed with montreal after leaving calgary, but got traded back there 2? years later. and erik cole was part of a big trade to edmonton from carolina for pitkanen, but he got traded back to carolina months later at the deadline. i feel like there's probably one with new jersey because it seems like a lou thing to do, but i am drawing a blank.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Miller, Forbort, Soucy, Desharnais
for
Lindholm, Zadorov, Carlo, 1st

Lindholm has been trash since Calgary; the kind of guy that produces okay-ish himself, but everyone else is worse for it

 

[JT Milker]

Miller, Forbort, Soucy, Desharnais
for
Lindholm, Zadorov, Carlo, 1st

Uhhhhhh

But you can completely destroy tomorrow in order to over leverage yourself for today.

Like if we deal Lek and Willander and our next handful of first round picks because the window has to be NOW, then it becomes as self-fulfilling prophecy that we will fail because there will be literally no support coming from underneath.

Trading late 1sts will not destroy tomorrow.

 

[Nick Lang]

Uhhhhhh


Trading late 1sts will not destroy tomorrow.

Trading away a plethora of high picks year after year over decades for shots at nothing when we're not even a contender has been doing this team in for years. I long for a time when we do things right for once. It's killing us now in fact. One or two impact ELC's would thrust this team up the standings and solve most of our problems.

 

[thecupismine]

Uhhhhhh


Trading late 1sts will not destroy tomorrow.

Jensen, Gaunce, and Schroeder are not going to save this cores contention window. Even looking back at those drafts, roughly ~2 of the next 10-12 players in each of those drafts become relevant players 5+ years down the line.

Trading away a plethora of high picks year after year over decades for shots at nothing when we're not even a contender has been doing this team in for years. I long for a time when we do things right for once. It's killing us now in fact. One or two impact ELC's would thrust this team up the standings and solve most of our problems.

You’re correct in that trading our picks earlier like in the OEL deal was a huge blow to this cores contention chances. If the Canucks had drafted either Boldy/Caufield like was discussed on this forum, and used the OEL pick on Guenther, and had a couple million more in cap space from no buyout, they’d be cup favorites right now. Benning gonna Benning.

Savings picks doesn’t make up for those mistakes though, as the Canucks picks are likely in the 20+ range and not top 10 anymore, so your odds of getting that hyper impactful young forward is super low.

That’s why you make a deal & trade the pick for a guy who can help over the next 3-5 years, while the team who makes the pick can wait 3-5 years for the player to arrive.

 

[ManVanFan]

What the hell trade do you make to get through a couple weeks?