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[Nona Di Giuseppe]

My second article for CanucksArmy is up. I took a look to see how the Canucks could make a trade in the coming weeks while still maintaining enough capspace to make moves at the deadline. I used Michael Matheson as an example but could easily do the same thing (Hoglander + Desharnais for Defenceman with extension) for others.

this trade idea needs to die.

no one needs/wants these two. putting worthless pieces together does not increase their value.

 

[StreetHawk]

Cue up the trade chatter on Lekk since he was sent down.

Canucks have limited options coming up from within. Going to have to over come some weaknesses with what they have.
Need to move off someone to free up some space. Be it Garland, Boeser, DeBrusk, etc. And have a youngster hit early like Lekky, Wallinder, D-Petey. That's just where they are.

 

[Vector]

this trade idea needs to die.

no one needs/wants these two. putting worthless pieces together does not increase their value.

As I said in the article, they are used for salary matching purposes and picks/prospects are needed to actually make a trade happen. I do firmly believe the Hoglander actually has value around the league, though. Almost entirely because GMs are extremely precious about cost certainty on young players.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

this trade idea needs to die.

no one needs/wants these two. putting worthless pieces together does not increase their value.

The 2024 version of "Raymond, Ballard and a 2nd."

 

[F A N]

If Boston retained I would really have no problem taking back Zadorov. The Canucks look lost without him. Myers, Soucy, Desharnais and Juulsen all suck this season. Desharnais was supposed to be the sneaky replacement but he is a ticking time bomb with the puck, with very little toughness for his size. Zads was tight with everyone in the locker room, a leader, provided toughness, great defensively, and developed a bit of a scoring touch in the playoffs. Highly entertaining player to watch as a fan. I'd welcome him back with open arms, but then again I'd welcome almost any of Bostons defensemen to our team. I really like Lohrei, he has a lot of untapped potential at both ends of the ice. I wonder if Hoglander would entice them enough to pull the trigger?!

Zadorov does have a NMC. Will he waive?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The 2024 version of "Raymond, Ballard and a 2nd."

Ryder, Halak and 2nd.

Trade other team's assets. It's better.

 

[racerjoe]

Just out of curiosity, is there a comparable circumstance where a player has left a team, signed a big money deal as a key acquisition, and then been promptly shipped back to his old team?

There's something scratching at my brain saying there's a comparable or two, but I'm drawing a blank. At any rate, it's rare and/or doesn't happen.

Would Saad count? A bit more time but close.

 

[Vector]

Would Saad count? A bit more time but close.

I thought of him but he was traded to the Blue Jackets, not as a free agent, and spent two full seasons there.

 

[ManVanFan]

 

[StreetHawk]

Honestly, I don't expect the Canucks to make a move until they know both:
1) Demko's health when he does return.
2) Miller's status
3) Boeser return from concussion.

Canucks are so thin on prospects that they can't make a move for now unless they know what the health of those guys are at the time they pull the trigger on a deal.

They could not fit provorov for future years unless they make a move. They can't bleed more high value assets for rentals.

 

[Jerry the great]

Other than his contract status, he checks a ton of boxes and would be a really good partner for Willander down the road or with Hronek if Willander played with Hughes. Would come down to what he’s looking for on his next deal and whether he’d even sign an extension with a Canadian team.

 

[MS]

Honestly, I don't expect the Canucks to make a move until they know both:
1) Demko's health when he does return.
2) Miller's status
3) Boeser return from concussion.

Agreed here, although Boeser is on the road trip and I'm sure they have a rough idea of how long they expect Miller to be out for.

Canucks are so thin on prospects that they can't make a move for now unless they know what the health of those guys are at the time they pull the trigger on a deal.

They could not fit provorov for future years unless they make a move. They can't bleed more high value assets for rentals.

Disagree here. If the above-mentioned issues are sorted and the team is sitting solidly in a playoff position, we should be all-in. Everything and everyone should be on the table except Willander.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

 

[VanJack]

In draft picks alone, Canucks shot their bolt last season, trading a first,, a future third, a fourth and a fifth to bring in Zadorov and Lindholm for basically two months of hockey. And they'd already surrendered their 2024 second rounder to dump Dickinson's contract on the Hawks.

I guess they did it, because they thought they could make a run. So unless they're absolutely convinced this year's team can at least get to the Western Conference Final this spring, I just don't see how they can blow that many picks out the door again.

Frankly, bringing in another expensive rental d-man like Provorov doesn't really move the needle for me. It really wouldn't change the outlook much.

Frankly, they'd be better served playing Wilander and maybe D-Petey down the stretch and give them some valuable NHL experience. For the Canucks, the future isn't 'now', no matter how many fans long for it to be so.

 

[Quinning]

Zadorov back to the Canucks at 50% retained and a 3rd for Hoglander.

Easy win. He gets his money, we get a steal and a player who fits seamlessly into this system.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Zadorov back to the Canucks at 50% retained and a 3rd for Hoglander.

Easy win. He gets his money, we get a steal and a player who fits seamlessly into this system.

Rather doubtful they want to pay us a third to pay hoglander 5.5M the next three years ..

 

[Quinning]

Doubt they want to pay us a third to pay hoglander 5.5M the next three years ..

Still a 24 goal scorer last year, and is young enough that he could easily rebound.

I just don't see him doing it here. Tocchet hates him.

 

[Peter Griffin]

For the Canucks, the future isn't 'now', no matter how many fans long for it to be so.

Unfortunately for this core, it is. The teams’ chances aren’t going to suddenly improve when Miller is older, Hughes is no longer making a paltry salary and Demko possibly gone.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

So basically he needs to stop being such a puxxy.

You could see the confidence erode as he realized he was gonna have to pay a price

Are you serious?

Your takes are usually a lot better and less reductive than "20 year old isn't ready for the best league in the world yet? Must be a bitch".

Just out of curiosity, is there a comparable circumstance where a player has left a team, signed a big money deal as a key acquisition, and then been promptly shipped back to his old team?

There's something scratching at my brain saying there's a comparable or two, but I'm drawing a blank. At any rate, it's rare and/or doesn't happen.

Radim Vrbata went from Phoenix to Tampa and then back to Phoenix after like 12 games like 15 years ago.

 

[VanJack]

Unfortunately for this core, it is. The teams’ chances aren’t going to suddenly improve when Miller is older, Hughes is no longer making a paltry salary and Demko possibly gone.

When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

Most of the recent Cup winners like Florida, Tampa and even Vegas had great cores as well. But it was their depth players that in the end, enabled them to hoist the Cup.

The Canucks simply don't have those guys. They haven't drafted well, we know that. But their depth isn't much beyond 'replacement level'. That's just the way it is.

Unfortunately for this core, it is. The teams’ chances aren’t going to suddenly improve when Miller is older, Hughes is no longer making a paltry salary and Demko possibly gone.

When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

Most of the recent Cup winners like Florida, Tampa and even Vegas had great cores as well. But it was their depth players that in the end, enabled them to hoist the Cup.

The Canucks simply don't have those guys. They haven't drafted well, we know that. But their depth isn't much beyond 'replacement level'. That's just the way it is.

 

[Lindgren]

When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

Most of the recent Cup winners like Florida, Tampa and even Vegas had great cores as well. But it was their depth players that in the end, enabled them to hoist the Cup.

The Canucks simply don't have those guys. They haven't drafted well, we know that. But their depth isn't much beyond 'replacement level'. That's just the way it is.


When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

Most of the recent Cup winners like Florida, Tampa and even Vegas had great cores as well. But it was their depth players that in the end, enabled them to hoist the Cup.

The Canucks simply don't have those guys. They haven't drafted well, we know that. But their depth isn't much beyond 'replacement level'. That's just the way it is.

There's gotta be an explanation for how often this happens to your posts.

 

[Quinning]

Unfortunately for this core, it is. The teams’ chances aren’t going to suddenly improve when Miller is older, Hughes is no longer making a paltry salary and Demko possibly gone.

The window essentially ends when Hughes contract expires, because he's going to be worth a max or near max contract for 8 years. Either he's getting it here, which restricts our cap space, or he's getting it from one of the other 31 teams in the league.

 

[credulous]

When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

the canucks depth is fine. they don't have a bunch of guys who should be in the press box or in the ahl on the ice every night. their problem is they lack a guy to anchor the second pairing and they lack a guy to play wing with pettersson. that's why adding zadorov or whatever is probably the wrong direction

 

[David71]

Agreed here, although Boeser is on the road trip and I'm sure they have a rough idea of how long they expect Miller to be out for.




Disagree here. If the above-mentioned issues are sorted and the team is sitting solidly in a playoff position, we should be all-in. Everything and everyone should be on the table except Willander.

read or heard that miller should be back first week of december.

I'm pretty sure both the Canucks and Zadorov would want a do-over on that negotiation if they had a chance and both parties would prefer that he was here where he was a great fit ... but that ship has kind of sailed and there's really no way to structure a deal to bring him back.

even if you added a third party team to the mix.

vancouver:zadorov at 30 percent. boston gets hoglander+soucy or whoever
third team: 25 percent

 

[Peter Griffin]

When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

Most of the recent Cup winners like Florida, Tampa and even Vegas had great cores as well. But it was their depth players that in the end, enabled them to hoist the Cup.

The Canucks simply don't have those guys. They haven't drafted well, we know that. But their depth isn't much beyond 'replacement level'. That's just the way it is.


When all hands are on deck, the Canucks have a very good core. The problem is their 'depth'. And it's 'depth' that wins Cups.

Most of the recent Cup winners like Florida, Tampa and even Vegas had great cores as well. But it was their depth players that in the end, enabled them to hoist the Cup.

The Canucks simply don't have those guys. They haven't drafted well, we know that. But their depth isn't much beyond 'replacement level'. That's just the way it is.

That really doesn’t change what I said though. Any way you slice it, this team’s core is in their prime, best years now. The future is NOW for this team, no matter how good you think they can be. Slowly adding depth isn’t the answer if it means you age out Miller/Boeser/Hughes/Demko.