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[thecupismine]

I still think, despite all the noise, none of the guys mind being in Vancouver. If everyone was playing at last years level or the team was in a good spot, the noise levels go down considerably. Just look at Garland going from trade request to absolutely loving it here last year.

The thing none of them like is the circus going on around them. Some guys aren’t great at handling it, while others actions aren’t making it easy to dial down the noise.

Whatever they end up doing, I hope they get Quinn’s blessing on. They have a hart level defenseman, and need to be sure he continues to be bought in long term.

 

[StickShift]

Dhaliwal reporting that the Canucks have touched base with Lankinen on extension talks.

The question is whether Demko will be back or not. I think they will try and trade him. I think they've been burnt by his health enough times to let go.

 

[Vector]

The question is whether Demko will be back or not. I think they will try and trade him. I think they've been burnt by his health enough times to let go.

He'd be an off-season trade if that ends up being the case.

 

[TruGr1t]

I mean that's the thing. I've heard several people including Sat and Seravalli say multiple times that they cannot find any evidence of something significant happening that has changed things.

Perhaps something did happen and nobody knows, but there's been nothing leaked.

I'm not sure what to believe but I do know that it wouldn't be as big of a deal if the team and both players weren't struggling this season.

It could just be as simple as the team struggling. Or maybe Miller finally wore too much on Pettersson, or any number of things. But I don't think comparing the situation now, to the situation when Pettersson signed, is necessarily fair. Someone has changed their stance.

 

[StickShift]

I mean that's the thing. I've heard several people including Sat and Seravalli say multiple times that they cannot find any evidence of something significant happening that has changed things.

Perhaps something did happen and nobody knows, but there's been nothing leaked.

I'm not sure what to believe but I do know that it wouldn't be as big of a deal if the team and both players weren't struggling this season.

All of this could be resolved with Petey/Miller hopping and skipping to the game tonight on camera:

 

[kanucks25]

It could just be as simple as the team struggling. Or maybe Miller finally wore too much on Pettersson, or any number of things. But I don't think comparing the situation now, to the situation when Pettersson signed, is necessarily fair. Someone has changed their stance.

I guess it's true that Petey was willing to deal with it then but isn't now.

But I maintain that the idea that Petey "never wanted to be here and was just pressured into signing" is insane.

 

[Hodgy]

He'd be an off-season trade if that ends up being the case.

Ya. And I think they will try to sign Lankinen to a cap hit where keeping him and Demko, as a tandem, is feasible. And frankly, I can’t see them trying to roll Lankinen as a 60 game starter anyway, so it’s going to be a 1a and 1b situation with or without Demko imo.

 

[pitseleh]

This is basically my stance exactly, if management leaked this they're finally doing something right:

I’m not sure - I think it depends on the likelihood of things being salvageable. The fact things have gotten to this point says to me the odds are slim, in which case they may as well rip the bandaid off now. So much can go wrong between now and the end of the season (more toxicity bleeding into other players, poor play leading to the players losing even more value, injuries etc.).

 

[Hodgy]

All of this could be resolved with Petey/Miller hopping and skipping to the game tonight on camera:

Whatever happened with old Willie and his restaurant and all of those unpleasant allegations? @Vector , feel free to delete this as you see fit.

 

[Lat]

Ya. And I think they will try to sign Lankinen to a cap hit where keeping him and Demko, as a tandem, is feasible. And frankly, I can’t see them trying to roll Lankinen as a 60 game starter anyway, so it’s going to be a 1a and 1b situation with or without Demko imo.

I wonder if it'd be possible to keep Demko at the 6M AAV mark or so given his injury history.

If we could get Lankinen extended to 4M AAV, I'd be happy with a 10M AAV tandem.

 

[Vector]

Ya. And I think they will try to sign Lankinen to a cap hit where keeping him and Demko, as a tandem, is feasible. And frankly, I can’t see them trying to roll Lankinen as a 60 game starter anyway, so it’s going to be a 1a and 1b situation with or without Demko imo.

I wouldn't be surprised if they end up trading Demko and Silovs at some point and bring in a high-end back-up during the off-season.

 

[Vector]

Whatever happened with old Willie and his restaurant and all of those unpleasant allegations? @Vector , feel free to delete this as you see fit.

He ran away to Florida and nothing ever came of it. I don't believe anyone actually got charged. He's no longer part of the group that controls the place, though.

 

[Hodgy]

I wouldn't be surprised if they end up trading Demko and Silovs at some point and bring in a high-end back-up during the off-season.

Ya, I think with Tochett’s defensive system the difference between Demko and Lankinen isn’t massive, assuming the former is healthy.

 

[TruGr1t]

I wonder if it'd be possible to keep Demko at the 6M AAV mark or so given his injury history.

If we could get Lankinen extended to 4M AAV, I'd be happy with a 10M AAV tandem.

I would wager Demko will be worth a lot more than that, or a lot less than that, at the end of his current deal.

 

[bossram]

Impressive until you account for the fact he’s the fifth highest paid player in the NHL.

Wow. You looked at PuckPedia. Amazing.

 

[Quinning]

He'd be an off-season trade if that ends up being the case.

Bingo. They'll deal him for a good prospect + 2nd or 3rd and call it a day. Lankinen is more of a sure bet a this point despite the small sample size, plus he's an Allvin guy and Demko is a Benning guy.

 

[TruGr1t]

 

[bossram]

I mean that's the thing. I've heard several people including Sat and Seravalli say multiple times that they cannot find any evidence of something significant happening that has changed things.

Perhaps something did happen and nobody knows, but there's been nothing leaked.

I'm not sure what to believe but I do know that it wouldn't be as big of a deal if the team and both players weren't struggling this season.

Given that they had to send Miller on a month-long time-out, it seems the situation came to a boiling point. The club hoped the leave would reset the relationship or improve it, but it obviously didn't.

 

[Lat]

I would wager Demko will be worth a lot more than that, or a lot less than that, at the end of his current deal.

Just like Friedman wagers that there will be no EP/Miller trade, one of EP/Miller are traded, or both will be traded?

 

[sting101]

their handling of horvat really tests my confidence in them moving either miller or pettersson. i know everyone thinks that trade was good because it resulted in hronek but they moved horvat for a middling first, a cap dump (beauvillier) that was later turned into a 5th (i think, not gonna look it up) and a prospect on the fast track to busting (raty). they also swapped a 2nd for a 4th in the hronek deal

that's basically like trading miller/pettersson for k'andre miller (or schneider, but i think miller is better) and adam sykora

Horvat was a pending UFA .

The pick had 10-15 implications and 2023 was considered the best draft since 2015

 

[TruGr1t]

Just like Friedman wagers that there will be no EP/Miller trade, one of EP/Miller are traded, or both will be traded?

No, I mean either he regains his form as a #1 goalie, or he's probably on his way to retirement if the injuries keep reoccurring. I suppose there is some middle ground where he struggles along as a mediocre starter.

 

[sting101]

There is no winning a trade with Miller or Pettersson right now.

 

[credulous]

Horvat was a pending UFA .

The pick had 10-15 implications and 2023 was considered the best draft since 2015

i'll concede both those but i still think it was a bad trade for a 1c on an expiring contract at the deadline

 

[Hodgy]

Wow. You looked at PuckPedia. Amazing.

And I suppose you feel quite smart when you post advanced stats from easily accessible websites on here showing players’ performances with and without Hughes. Not to mention that the stats have been posted ad nauseum on here and everyone already knows how bad everyone plays without Hughes.

Of course it’s hilariously ironic that you are happy “digging” into the context of a players performance by looking at the advanced stats, and then concluding it’s impressive all the while ignoring perhaps the most crucial aspect of that context: cap hit. But I think you understand this all so I’m not sure why your post was so overly defensive.

 

[Diablo2020]

Okay good. So you admit that you don't actually have any realistic details or proposals that would actually achieve your "plan". That's progress.

Norris isn't a scrub. But he's not even a low-end 1C and isn't nearly replacing either of them.

My friend the values are all over the place its hard for me to lay out a plan wherein Vancouver trades their core 4 without knowing whats actually available out there.

But in my fantasy land,

I'd give Pius Suter 3x3 and Lankinen 5x4.

Id trade Miller for Sillinger and picks
Id trade Petey for McTavish, a D and picks
Id trade Demmer for Talbot and picks
Id trade Boeser half retained for a ELC D


I'd use that 30 mill we opened and throw 14 each at Marner and Rantanen.

If theyre already resigned or dont like Van, id do what someone else said earlier and try to pry loose a Cirelli or Wild Bill from a cap strapped team.

If there is no 2025 version of the original JT Miller trade available this offseason, id then go bargain bin shopping and try for Josh Norris types.

One way or another id aquire young NHL centerman, some ELC defenders, and open capspace to do whatever becomes available around the league.

Maybe we brick on everything and I end up with Norris #1, McTavish/Sillinger #2, Suter #3 and Blueger #4 and we're forever searching for centers.

Hopefully those trades above gave us a warchest to chase the next Necas, Cozens, Brady Tkachuk that becomes available.

Either way, im not tying the cart to the core above who is stale and signed or needing to be signed longterm.