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[Curm]

Not a big fan of quoting Pettersson and Miller as 100 point players, or Boeser as a 40 goalscorer. Yes, they've done it once, but personally I don't consider a player to qualify as anything unless they've done it at least twice.

Miller almost did, but Pettersson at this point in his career is Neal Broten, who was a good all around player, and he would never have been one of the highest paid in the NHL. And Ron Sedlbauer was a 40 goalscorer.

 

[Jerry the great]

Would expect considerably more for a potential top 5 player in the league. Like add another 1st and a 2nd. I also expect there would be some form of salary dump form them. On an expiring contract.

Well he's top 5 in cap hit, but he's not even a top 15 forward in the game (never mind all the defenders and goalies) ....and some people would argue that a top pair anchor defender - particularly one who shoots right- is worth more than a #1 C.

If the Islanders put this deal on the table, Alvin should sign it before Louis is lucid again. The Islanders pick (currently top 5) could be moved for a C and Danny Nelson is a solid prospect.

pretty good insurance policy in the event Hughes doesn't want to stick around, or a massive trade chip if he extends.

This package is wayyyy better than the one Buffalo got for Eichel and while there is was uncertainty about his health, there's plenty of that with EP40 too.

 

[Nucker42]

Not a big fan of quoting Pettersson and Miller as 100 point players, or Boeser as a 40 goalscorer. Yes, they've done it once, but personally I don't consider a player to qualify as anything unless they've done it at least twice.

Miller almost did, but Pettersson at this point in his career is Neal Broten, who was a good all around player, and he would never have been one of the highest paid in the NHL. And Ron Sedlbauer was a 40 goalscorer.

Yeah like just because you’ve done something doesn’t mean you’ve actually done it.

Miller had 99 points but that’s not 100 so it definitely doesn’t count.

 

[StickShift]

Gets within 1 game of a WCF.

"Let's just piss away a season by hating other."

Only could happen to this franchise.

As someone who has been extremely pessimistic on this situation from the get go—I do recognize the slight possibility that they rise above their differences and go on an extremely formidable 2nd-half run.

 

[ManVanFan]

From what is being leaked at this stage, I think the only common sense conclusion is that one of Miller or Pettersson (I would wager it's Pettersson) has now said the situation is untenable, and though there may not be a firm trade request, someone has said they will not continue with the status quo. Basically, even if management wants to keep both ... their hand may be being forced on some level.

Trading either you won't get a 1 for 1.

Get a center back in a trade.
Charlie Coyle, Scott Laughton, Ross Colton, Dylan Cozens, Kirby Dach, Joel Eriksson Ek, Mason McTavish, Shane Pinto. Most of these aren't top 6 centers. That's gonna have to come in the form of a first round pick or recent prospect with high upside.

Most of those teams could also send a good LHD back as well in the package.

 

[kanucks25]

Gets within 1 game of a WCF.

"Let's just piss away a season by hating other."

Only could happen to this franchise.

In times like these it's always important to remember:

"At least we're not Buffalo."

 

[Diversification]

I think given his age and name value, KAM carries enough value to make this trade even but it'd be an extremely risky trade.

Rangers fans hate Lindgren more than Canucks fans hate Myers, he's probably not even an upgrade on Soucy. And over the last 1.5 seasons KAM has looked like he's becoming the next Myers: incredible physical tools but not physical enough for his size and perhaps doesn't have the hockey IQ to legitimately hold down a top-4 pairing.

Maybe with better coaching / in a better system he can flourish, I haven't watched him closely enough to know that unfortunately. I think you'd get a lot of mixed reviews from Rangers fans - some wanting to sell high on him before other teams find out and others wanting to stick it out with him because of his potential.

And then there's the question of his next contract as he's an upcoming RFA this summer with 2 years of control left before UFA.

I agree that K'AM is risky. It's why he's even available. Before this year he's shown that he can be a #4 when paired with the right partner (Fox) but he's struggled with Trouba and now the Rangers are a mess and basically no one looks good. His qualifying offer is 4M, I believe and he could be due for a cost-controlled 3 or 4-ish year contract due to his recent play.

My hope is that we don't need to trade either, but if thats not possible, my hope is that there are better options than what the New York Rangers have to offer...if KAM is the best we can do, then I guess...certainly wouldn't feel good about it, KAM seems like another Myers to me, a tree who can skate but is defensively suspect....Lindgren is not anything I'd be interested in keeping around and a 1st would be mid range but welcome...not particularly enthused at the deal, but wouldn't be surprised if we were looking at a deal like that.

I would think of the value as follows:
a) K'Andre Miller, potential #4 LHS long term fit
b) cap space cleared up (I would guess about 3.5M to help offset OEL's buyout) because Lindgren's contract comes off the books
c) mystery box value of 2026 Rangers 1st. There is a real possibility that things go absolutely sideways for them next year and therein lies its value.

 

[TruGr1t]

My hope is that we don't need to trade either, but if thats not possible, my hope is that there are better options than what the New York Rangers have to offer...if KAM is the best we can do, then I guess...certainly wouldn't feel good about it, KAM seems like another Myers to me, a tree who can skate but is defensively suspect....Lindgren is not anything I'd be interested in keeping around and a 1st would be mid range but welcome...not particularly enthused at the deal, but wouldn't be surprised if we were looking at a deal like that.

This doesn't really jive with the reports that the Canucks are looking for a centre in the package, though. I doubt they'd make KAM the centre piece of the deal.

 

[Canucker]

I would think of the value as follows:
a) K'Andre Miller, potential #4 LHS long term fit
b) cap space cleared up (I would guess about 3.5M to help offset OEL's buyout) because Lindgren's contract comes off the books
c) mystery box value of 2026 Rangers 1st. There is a real possibility that things go absolutely sideways for them next year and therein lies its value.

I guess its all a matter (for me at least) if you like KAM a lot, and I don't really...he's an upgrade, but I get the feeling that we're looking at a LH version of Myers and I'm not into that....but ultimately I'm not a fan of trading with the Rangers.

 

[Canucker]

This doesn't really jive with the reports that the Canucks are looking for a centre in the package, though. I doubt they'd make KAM the centre piece of the deal.

Yeah, I would hope not...I'd prefer a center over KAM...but if we could get Byram I'd prefer that over KAM. The Rangers are just not a good team to deal with IMO...If Miller were willing to go to Buffalo or Columbus that would be preferable to me.

 

[Diversification]

Spoiler alert: Miller will not waive to go to Buffalo. CBJ, maybe.

 

[racerjoe]

some people (myself included) wanted some combination of miller, horvat and kuzmenko moved for futures and were in favour of trying to stockpile assets and cap space for later moves but i don't think anyone really was for a scorched earth rebuild where pettersson and hughes (and demko altho in retrospect that probably would have been a good move) were moved

some people catastrophized that pettersson and hughes would both immediately demand trades if they made those kinds of moves though

There were plenty of people wanting to rebuild, and somehow keep Hughes and Pettersson, which really wasn’t very realistic.

 

[Canucker]

Spoiler alert: Miller will not waive to go to Buffalo. CBJ, maybe.

Quite possible...they're both sub .500 teams but I'd say the Sabres have a brighter future than the Rangers at this point.

 

[StickShift]

Spoiler alert: Miller will not waive to go to Buffalo. CBJ, maybe.

The two teams who I think are a really good fit for JT Miller (that I think he would waive for) are Colorado and Carolina.

 

[Diversification]

Quite possible...they're both sub .500 teams but I'd say the Sabres have a brighter future than the Rangers at this point.

Buffalo is a tire fire whereas CBJ looks to be turning the corner. Columbus is also close to home for JT who is from East Palestine OH.

The two teams who I think are a really good fit for JT Miller (that I think he would waive for) are Colorado and Carolina.

It seems out of character for Carolina to take on a contract like his at his age.

 

[bossram]

I mean, we've iced Juulsen, Desharnais, Brisebois, Brannstrom, Forbort, Di Guiseppe and Sasson in the last couple games.

Hogs hasnt scored in forever.

I can think of 8 different ways we could upgrade and maybe make this team better yeah.

Im not sure of the exact value in a Pettersson or Miller or Boeser or Demko trade and I understand once we trade one, we're immedietly searching for that player again.

Thats fine.

I believe we could chop up all 4 and come out a better team, yes.

Norris was just one quick example I wanted to show of a player on pace for 25+ who takes faceoffs and happens to be Quinns bestie.

He'd need some support being one of our top centers but hes not some scrub like you seem to think he is.

Okay good. So you admit that you don't actually have any realistic details or proposals that would actually achieve your "plan". That's progress.

Norris isn't a scrub. But he's not even a low-end 1C and isn't nearly replacing either of them.

 

[ManVanFan]

The two teams who I think are a really good fit for JT Miller (that I think he would waive for) are Colorado and Carolina.

Colorado works for me.
JT miller
For
Ross Colton, Samuel Girard, Calum Ritchie.

 

[bossram]

This is an indictment of how bad the defense is beyond Hughes/Hronek, not JT Miller....

Not quite.

Petey is nearly breakeven without Quinn. Suter is 45%.

But JT gets crushed.

 

[Canucker]

The two teams who I think are a really good fit for JT Miller (that I think he would waive for) are Colorado and Carolina.

I think Anaheim is a good dark horse team...adding players like Gudas and Trouba gives an indication of what kind of team Verbeek is trying to build...Miller might be a good fit that way, no idea if he'd be interested in California though.

 

[supercanuck]

Big no thanks to either one.

It's Wyatt and Bichsel or bustville.

I might even do EP/JT for Wyatt 1 for 1 but I don't think Dallas would. Would be a good, young, cheap 2nd line C with upside to fill in the hole from trading 1 of those 2.

 

[TruGr1t]

There were plenty of people wanting to rebuild, and somehow keep Hughes and Pettersson, which really wasn’t very realistic.

I think the main question is Miller vs. Horvat, and it's a reasonable one. Up until this season, it looked like they made the right choice, obviously, but there's no telling what that may have done to the window etc. I don't think there was ever a chance they went full rebuild and moved a bunch of the core.

 

[bossram]

I think the point is that Pettersson's numbers don't tank when he's away from Hughes, at least not as much compared to pretty much every other forward on the team.

He's the only center who is even close to breakeven without Quinn.

For all the heat Petey takes, he's their only player that is good enough to not get crushed when playing with non-Hughes disasterclass this D-core is. That's honestly impressive.

 

[Vector]

Dhaliwal reporting that the Canucks have touched base with Lankinen on extension talks.

 

[TruGr1t]

This is basically my stance exactly, if management leaked this they're finally doing something right:

 

[Canucker]

Buffalo is a tire fire whereas CBJ looks to be turning the corner. Columbus is also close to home for JT who is from East Palestine OH.

No question that Buffalo is a mess, but they have the pieces to turn the corner...Rangers are aging out with nothing in the tank.