ASP viewed as a productive 2nd line defender. Hronek is playing first pair.
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Mr. Canucklehead
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If ASP turns out to be as good as Hronek, they should be thrilled. Anyone should be.
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I think if Friedman is reporting that this rift has become a distraction that’s when things really come to a head. It’s a professional league and if it’s an issue for Hughes and Tochett then I could see something happening in short order.
For example, when Kakko clapped at the coach for getting sat he was dealt within a few days.
Combined with Miller leaving the team and Peteys baby behaviour during the media questions there’s something major happening in that dressing room. Then Allvins comments essentially telling them to grow up.
Petey easier to trade because he doesn’t have any trade protection. But Millers contract easier to move so who knows.
Team isn’t fun to watch right now.
For example, when Kakko clapped at the coach for getting sat he was dealt within a few days.
Combined with Miller leaving the team and Peteys baby behaviour during the media questions there’s something major happening in that dressing room. Then Allvins comments essentially telling them to grow up.
Petey easier to trade because he doesn’t have any trade protection. But Millers contract easier to move so who knows.
Team isn’t fun to watch right now.
Canucker
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“One of his strengths is communication, and just being a friendly, open guy, who lightens the mood,” Soucy said. “He’s always available just to chat, keeps it pretty positive, which is definitely a big part of this group.” -Soucy on Myers leadership qualities from earlier this year.
Maybe there is some loud negative in the group. Normally magnified when losing.
I would expect them to have a reason to feel the entire team is on Pettersson’s side against Miller and the coach lmao.You're asking for a citation of "feelings"?
Miller has been our best forward for a long time now, losing him and everything he brings would likely be a set back… although the teams overall play this year has been a big set back already. It does seem we need a shake up within the core, if you’re moving Miller you’re really banking on Pettersson bouncing back.
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No I don’t get why people don’t understand you are trading the pick and the value it has. You don’t care about what becomes of it. If you buy something from a garage sale for 10 dollars, that person goes buy a lottery ticket and they win. Do you sit there and go damn I lost out of winning the lottery. No all u care about is that u got your $10 worth from whatever you bought.
With the news the other day that Zibanejad might be willing to waive for the right environment what do we think of this trade;
NYR gets:
JT Miller
Nils Höglander
Vincent Desharnais
Van gets:
Zibanejad
Will Cuyle or Othman
Braden Schneider
Miller / Zib contract are similar & both players could use a fresh start. Ideally this move helps Pete get going as the guy he had an issue with is gone.
Höglander looks like he needs a fresh start as he cant get out of Tocchets doghouse and either Cuylie or Othman could be solid replacements that are on ELC which helps with having the OEL penalty jump up next year.
Desharnais is a guy that hasn't worked out & helps balance the cap for the Vancouver Canucks as they have coveted Schneider for a bit.
Overall seems interesting for a trade but I dont think Drury takes the deal & wants to give the Rangers the full season to work out any issues they have
NYR gets:
JT Miller
Nils Höglander
Vincent Desharnais
Van gets:
Zibanejad
Will Cuyle or Othman
Braden Schneider
Miller / Zib contract are similar & both players could use a fresh start. Ideally this move helps Pete get going as the guy he had an issue with is gone.
Höglander looks like he needs a fresh start as he cant get out of Tocchets doghouse and either Cuylie or Othman could be solid replacements that are on ELC which helps with having the OEL penalty jump up next year.
Desharnais is a guy that hasn't worked out & helps balance the cap for the Vancouver Canucks as they have coveted Schneider for a bit.
Overall seems interesting for a trade but I dont think Drury takes the deal & wants to give the Rangers the full season to work out any issues they have
Just A Bit Outside
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If mgmt actually believes that the interview is going to motivated EP, they are dumber than I thought.
It isn’t going to do shit.
If anything it’s going to piss him off considering they are already stated they thought his injury was just an excuse.
It’s asinine especially when multiple ex Canucks have said EP is a different personality and he needs to be treated a different way.
“Letting things play out” seems such an outdated philosophy that is not going to work in this situation.
It isn’t going to do shit.
If anything it’s going to piss him off considering they are already stated they thought his injury was just an excuse.
It’s asinine especially when multiple ex Canucks have said EP is a different personality and he needs to be treated a different way.
“Letting things play out” seems such an outdated philosophy that is not going to work in this situation.
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I may be reading this wrong, but Cuylle and Othmann are absolutely not interchangeable pieces.
If Pettersson is going to check out when he's challenged (held accountable), we're never winning with him.
No its true for sure. My aunts former Co workers hair stylist used to cut the hair of Troy Stecher and confirmed its probably true potentially
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between trading either JT or EP, if management makes the smarter move and trades the older player (JT), they’ve just increased the pressure even further on EP by stoking the fires with their comments. What’s the benefit to doing this, if EP doesn’t respond well to this kind of treatment?
It makes it even more uncertain who they want to keep. Seems like it just depends on the offers they receive.
Despite keeping a tight ship on other topics, management has been absolutely atrocious at handling some of these personnel matters.
It makes it even more uncertain who they want to keep. Seems like it just depends on the offers they receive.
Despite keeping a tight ship on other topics, management has been absolutely atrocious at handling some of these personnel matters.
Canucker
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You'll probably need a citation from their psychologist then. Might have something to do with feelings of abandonment from one or both parents, or perhaps a sibling rivalry that went unresolved maybe? lol
I'm also surprised that the water I put in my fuel didn't have the same effect as the gas I used last time. I mean, both are liquids right?
Reason why I had 1 or the other is both on ELC (i believe) but 1 is playing in the NHL while the other is in the AHL. I thought possibly Drury would want to keep Cuylie & might be open to moving Othmann
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There’s holding him accountable and there’s throwing him under the bus.
They said his injury wasn’t an excuse. Given mgmts history with handling injuries (Mik, Hughes) I’d lean more towards them being completely in the wrong on that one.
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Yeah, thing I don't get is that Miller has been ass this season, has taken time away from the team (no issue with that, but it's still an actual event), but Petey, despite actually playing well periodically (often on the defensive side if nothing else) is getting the gears while Miller is treated with kid gloves. I guess his no show in the playoffs has had a huge effect on management, coach and maybe some of the players.
The bolded, you couldn't have said it better.
I think this is generally correct. To me, its pretty clear that the Canucks management are in win-now mode, and I think, on paper, they feel pretty set up front and probably think they are a move or two a way on defense to really contending. And I also think that they understand that they will lose and Pettersson or Miller trade, and that it would be a significant step back in terms of being contenders over the next year or two. So, I think trading one of Miller or Pettersson would be the absolute worst case scenario for this management, and I doubt they even consider it unless we have missed the playoffs at least once all the whiles significant issues continue between the two players.
So, I think we can safely eliminate "trade signals" as the reason for the public statements on Pettersson. And, given that Tocchett has already spoken several times about Pettersson with the general message being that he needs to be better, and given that Pettersson hasn't improved, I think its most likely that they are just elevating this by trying a different message. One can assume they have already tried private methods which have also failed.
Its a bold choice though. You rarely see GM so publicly disparage their players, and doubly so when its a player that said GM signed to the largest contract in club history. I don't want to say it reeks of desperation, but its also a pretty elevated response to poor play. It really does make you wonder what has already gone on behind closed doors to get to this point.
Mr. Canucklehead
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yeah, but Cuylle has established himself as one of the leagues best young power forwards A much younger, bigger, faster version of Dakota Joshua. They'd be insane to trade him.
Jeff Marek
- The problems with the Miller & Pettersson relationship are no longer whispers; it’s fully out there
Irfaan Gaffar
- Does believe this is getting to a point where something has to give
- Doesn’t think he’s seen a GM be as candid as Allvin was about Pettersson
- The whole NHL world understands there is something going on between Miller & Pettersson
- Too many nights where Pettersson isn’t as interested in his teammates; too many night’s where Tocchet is implying that Pettersson isn’t giving enough
- Hughes injury is the bigger story
