Othmann, Chytil, Rangers 1st, Rangers 3rd. That's probably what you are getting for Miller.
Are you trading yourself? Lol.
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Ryan Kesler for Nick Bonino, Luca Sbisa and the 24th overall pick (Jared McCann) was almost a perfect trade where you lose top tier piece for a really serviceable player and decent futures. The only issue was Benning got tunnel vision and actually targeted Sbisa.
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Thus I don't think they'll trade either until at the earliest the summer. That's when you take a hard look at the roster, in my opinion. It's been overshadowed by all the back-and-forth on the locker room, but the most pressing issue is really Boeser, and to a slightly lesser extent whether Demko can regain form or not. Otherwise, you probably ride it out and try to fix things in the offseason.
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If they can’t acquire a puck moving dman this year to solve the current roster construction issues, Miller has always made the most sense to deal if you’re looking at keeping Hughes around in 2 years. He’s the guy you want around if you’re competing for a cup for the next year or two, but not if you’re looking farther out.
Looking at last year I’d like to believe the internal issues are solvable, but they’ve been exasperated by poor roster decisions in the offseason and the weird communication around them from all parties. I don’t think management realized what it was losing in Zadorov and Cole from a leadership perspective either, both in keeping people accountable yet light in the room.
Looking at last year I’d like to believe the internal issues are solvable, but they’ve been exasperated by poor roster decisions in the offseason and the weird communication around them from all parties. I don’t think management realized what it was losing in Zadorov and Cole from a leadership perspective either, both in keeping people accountable yet light in the room.
Rumours of Tocchet just letting his contract run out and walk away because he's tired of the issues in the room.
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Starting to wonder if Buffalo is the best match.
Cozens is probably the closest thing to a centre replacement for Miller or Petey. Problem would be I doubt Miller would waive to go there.
But if you can get a top 4 defender and Cozens I think at this point you do it.
Cozens is probably the closest thing to a centre replacement for Miller or Petey. Problem would be I doubt Miller would waive to go there.
But if you can get a top 4 defender and Cozens I think at this point you do it.
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You don’t want to be in the position where you’re hitting up each GM asking them what they’ll give you for a certain player. That’s when they smell blood.
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EP appears the only option with a draft with Buffalo.
Even then, I don't like any combination of assets coming back.
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Been reported by a few people that Drury really wants Miller in New York. I think most players would absolutely love a chance to play there, but their team absolutely blows this year. So I can't see him waiving.
I would rather negotiate with GMs that have clear track records of making poor trades than with someone like Yzerman.
I would rather negotiate with GMs that have clear track records of making poor trades than with someone like Yzerman.
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They have him on team option through 2025-26, so again this summer will likely be the important start of a discussion on any extension etc. I doubt that's something to consider at the moment. People want some sort of rapid conclusion to all this stuff, but I don't think you'll see anything material until the offseason.
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Cozens may bounce back, but i wouldn't want to be the one betting on it. Offensively, I think the 22/23 season was a bit of a mirage and he is not a good two way player.
For Pettersson, if Buffalo put their unprotected 2025 1st on the table, I would rather have Byram and Mcleod than Cozens, and then try to find a 2nd line C with that unprotected 1st. Considering the cap hit difference, I'd way rather have Mcleod than Cozens. more versatility and actually plays defense. If the main piece coming back in a deal for EP/JTM is Cozens, my interest falls of a cliff.
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Horvat's still a beauty:
Former Canucks Captain, Islanders Forward Bo Horvat On Pettersson & Miller Rift
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-y...er-canucks-new-york-islanders-trade-contracts
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It still irks me that the poor guy went from a bad situation in Vancouver to a team quickly entering rebuild territory on Long Island. The guy deserves some success and a chance to play in meaningful games in the post-season.
'It's definitely [been blown out of proportions]," Horvat told The Hockey News on Thursday morning. "It's always a tough market that way. Any little piece of information gets magnified in those situations, right? But I mean, that comes with the territory. It comes with playing there.
"The fans are passionate about their team. It's basically the only huge sports team besides the BC Lions and the White Caps. That's what Vancouver is all about, is the Canucks. So every little thing that's going on in that dressing room or going on with the team, it's gonna get magnified, for sure, and that just comes with playing there."
Horvat continued: "Unfortunately, you're gonna be on both sides of it, right? It's not always gonna be sunshine and rainbows. There's not always gonna be good things said. It's gotta be a tricky situation. It's gotta be tough. But if any two guys, or if anybody can handle it, those guys can."
The season that Horvat was named captain of the Canucks was also Miller's first season in Vancouver after the team acquired him from the Tampa Bay Lightning at the 2019 NHL Draft.
"Miller and I got along great. There's gonna be times when you're gonna cuss each other out. There's gonna be times when you're not gonna like somebody, but at the same time, you respect everybody," Horvat said. "You're all friends in there, you're all teammates, and you're all fighting towards the same goal. Are you gonna get along all the time? No, but at the same time, he and I had a good relationship. Same with me and Petey"
"I was captain there, so it was my job to keep everybody even keel and to make sure everybody got long and that the team was fighting for the same thing, for the same goal."
Horvat and Miller may have gotten along on the ice, but a contract decision by the Canucks in 2022-23 certainly took its toll on now Islanders' No. 14.
There's no question that Horvat wanted to stay in Vancouver, but general manager Patrik Allvin had a choice to either offer his captain or Miller a long-term extension, and he chose to go with Miller.
"I was never mad at him. Honestly, the way it was all handled is what I was most upset about," Horvat said. "They said one thing, and they did the complete opposite. It's just frustrating when you are told one thing, and the opposite happens. That's not to say I'm not happy where I am right now.
"Obviously, I love Long Island, love being here, and I'm happy to be here, but, yeah, just the way it was all handled rubbed me the wrong way. But at the same time, everything happens for a reason, and that's why I'm here. I couldn't be happier."
Regarding Pettersson, Horvat played quite a bit with him in Alberta.
"He's so good. He's got such skill and such poise with the puck," Horvat said. "He's good at both ends of the rink. I think that's what gets under-appreciated. He's good defensively. He's obviously got a lethal shot that I think he should still utilize a little bit more than he does because he throws goalies off. So he's a special player, and they're lucky to have him."
Despite the trade rumors, Pettersson just signed a long-term extension, as he's in the first season of an eight-year deal worth $11.6 million annually. He's an elite talent that's lost a bit.
“He needs to mature and understand that there are certain expectations, and it does not get easier. And you need to face the music when things don’t go well,” Allvin said. "Is it (a trade) possible? I guess I would say anything is possible."
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"The Islanders didn't give up much to obtain Horvat".
Well the 1st turned into Hronek so you can't take the deal in an absolute fashion for Van.
I think if JT or EP is traded, something similar happens where one deal is a precursor to another.
Good article! Horvat definitely being nice about the situation. Author of article could use a geography lesson. Vancouver is not in fact in Alberta
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I wouldn't say its "light years" better than the current iteration, but sure, it was better...I just don't think its the driving force for the lack of offense, but its certainly on the list. I think the biggest thing is that we just don't have the puck as much and when we do we're not assertive enough in getting it to the net...but don't get me wrong, getting an actual top 4 defenseman who can move the puck is extremely important...and getting the Soucy/Myers pairing to stabilize would be pretty key too.
Recap of Frank Seravalli's interview with Halford & Brough.
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- Nothing has changed from 2 weeks into the season
- “The Defence market is not teeming with perfect fits”
- Canucks are waiting for the right piece at the right price
- Doesn’t get the sense that something has to give
- Has done his homework over the last couple of weeks, has asked all the questions, and no one has told him that something happened between Miller & Pettersson this season; they have played together since the 2019-20 seasons and are on long extensions knowing they would be teammates
- Not news to anyone who has been on the team that Miller & Pettersson don’t get along
- Doesn’t understand how they got from A to Z (they don’t like each other to one of these guys has to go)
- No “warm & fuzzy” feelings about Pettersson’s play during the playoffs or the way he handled the knee injury
- A lot of people in the organization felt that his knee injury is an excuse
- They were hoping this season would bring an energize Pettersson
- Pettersson isn’t handling the pressure well
- Feels that the accountability and the way he handles the pressure is the opposite of Miller
- What Allvin said about Pettersson in the interview probably isn’t all that different than what Miller, their teammates, and the coaching staff have been thinking about Pettersson
- Would love to have a follow-up question to the one asking about Pettersson’s trade history and if Allvin’s answer, about Rutherford’s history, is a reference to quickly fixing mistakes
- Can’t remember a player, one year into a long-term contract, being reference liked that by a front office
- Doesn’t know where they go from here
- Obvious that more changes are coming
- Thinks the moves they make are not going to be about saving this season but looking towards the long-term core
- Have some real existential questions to ask
- In the meantime, will see some players moved in relatively short order
- Mika Zibanejad looks disengaged and lost but you can say the same thing about 90% of the Rangers’ roster
- Hasn’t received any criticism in the last 30 years
- When are repeatedly failing at the same position, like on defence, then you have some sort of scouting problem
- Questions the connection between their coaching staff and management; says the Canucks management and coaching staff are completely symbiotic and that relationship doesn’t exist in Detroit, or a lot of other players
The end right there is kind of true.
Then again, the Islanders didn't give up much when they acquired Horvat on Jan. 30, 2023, sending Vancouver top prospect Aatu Räty, Anthony Beauvillier, and a first-round pick.
Yes the pick was used along with a second to get Hronek but if they didn't it would certainly look like Islander won the trade with Van. Trade with Detroit, it looks like Van won that won pretty easily. Goes along with what many are saying if you trade Miller or Pettersson, you are not going to win that trade unless something like Karlsson's trade to SJ and the other team has an unprotected pick and bombs like SJ did.
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It feels like Miller, Tocchet and management is one corner and Pettersson/the rest of the team is in another.
Does it though? ASP was selected with that pick and he looks like a future stud.
Does it though? ASP was selected with that pick and he looks like a future stud.
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- Allvin knows what’s going to happen with those quotes
- The goal for the interview was to light a fire under Pettersson
- Canucks thought all the drama was over after last season because everyone on the roster would see what they can accomplish if they all push in the same direction
- Are really surprised by how this season has gone
- In management’s eyes, it’s not about choosing one or the other but they can’t believe they still have to deal with this
- The more he thinks about what Tocchet and Hughes said, the more Friedman believes that Tocchet and Hughes also share the same mindset; a bit of exasperation that “this is still a thing”
- Everyone knows that the Canucks are opening to listening, have already on both players, and will continue to do so
- Canucks’ preference is that both players grow-up and figure it out because trading either would be hard to win
- The stress of it all has begun to spill-over into other parts of the organization
- Clearly bothers Tocchet and Hughes that this is still a thing
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I'm sure everyone is always pretty surprised when you drive your car into a ditch.
