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[arttk]

While Horvat's defensive play was always strangely overrated here, he did and still does a lot of the things Tocchet loves. Would certainly have been interesting to see the impact.

I think we needed to move him to have that leadership change. I think Bo mastered the art of looking like a captain from the outside but actually not doing anything to influence the culture. There is a don’t give up attitude that Hughes and Miller has foster that simply wasn’t there with Bo. This is just personal opinion

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I think we needed to move him to have that leadership change. I think Bo mastered the art of looking like a captain from the outside but actually not doing anything to influence the culture. There is a don’t give up attitude that Hughes and Miller has foster that simply wasn’t there with Bo. This is just personal opinion

I tend to agree. If anything else, we needed a culture shift and a "wake up" moment. It's hard to fault Horvat given the disaster of a team we were back then but I don't think he was the best captain. Or rather, Miller and Hughes are simply a better duo.

 

[kanucks25]

I think we needed to move him to have that leadership change. I think Bo mastered the art of looking like a captain from the outside but actually not doing anything to influence the culture. There is a don’t give up attitude that Hughes and Miller has foster that simply wasn’t there with Bo. This is just personal opinion

I tend to agree. If anything else, we needed a culture shift and a "wake up" moment. It's hard to fault Horvat given the disaster of a team we were back then but I don't think he was the best captain. Or rather, Miller and Hughes are simply a better duo.

I agree that management may have decided they wanted a big culture change rather than believing the player was unsalvageable (although his contract demands probably had a lot to do with it).

IIRC they fired Boudreau and traded Horvat all within a week? That's quite the shift in a short amount of time.

 

[Jerry the great]

I am officially putting myself on the record that I think the Canucks will trade Pettersson before his NMC kicks in.

His effort on the ice and attitude off of it do not reflect a player that wants to play for this team. His actions prior to re-signing his contract reflect a player that hoped to "Tkachuk" his way off the team—and it is not a stretch to believe that he only re-signed when he did because his inconsistency was beginning to chip away at his earning potential. He exchanged his ultimate choice of destination for financial security—and perhaps now he is regretting that decision.

And I think Canucks management knows that this is the situation too. They signed him to that deal because they knew that they could get a better return for a 1C signed long-term than for a 1.5Y rental last year. I think they knew there was a chance they were still going to have to trade him anyways.

Rutherford and Allvin know that they cannot afford to go into this post-season with a sulking superstar again. It was already enough of a drag to cost them the 2nd round last year. And they absolutely know that they cannot let the situation extend past the off-season and allow his NMC to kick in. It has the potential to destroy the locker room if they let it, let alone the ineffective use of his salary on the roster.

And yes, the Canucks will likely lose any Pettersson trade. He will almost certainly play better on his new team than he has with the Canucks these past two seasons. And people will say, those crazy Canucks, trading away a superstar, what fools. But that is ignoring the fact that his pattern of behavior now sees him contribute as a bottom-tier 2C.

I know many folks scoffed at the idea of trading him for a player like Martin Necas last year when that rumor broke—and while a player like Necas may have a lower potential/ceiling than Pettersson—his real on-ice contributions would be a substantial upgrade over the big sulk that we have right now.

I would love for Pettersson to turn it around, and prove me wrong. But there is very little runway left and we have among the most aggressive managers in the NHL running this team. The clock is ticking.

Considering the majority of his body of work to date, trading Pettersson seems outlandish; though i can see it happening and if the nosedive in play over the last 50 GP is knee related and this is a player who can't maintain a high level of play through pain/discomfort , maybe it should.

If it's not really the knee and he's still sour because of how management orchestrated the contract extension by threatening to trade him, it's a potentially disastrous trade in the making (depending on the return obviously). Easy to dismiss this idea, but Pettersson sulking due to the business side of the game has happened before.

The two destinations i could see happening are Columbus and Anaheim.

 

[Jerry the great]

The only guy I would trade Pettersson for is Brady Tkachuk. That's the kind of center we need come playoffs .if we make them.

Brady plays on the wing i believe, but I'd still do this trade in a picosecond. A year ago i would have said there is no way Ottawa management could possibly be that stupid, but then they hired Travis Green, so anything is possible.

 

[valkynax]

Brady plays on the wing i believe, but I'd still do this trade in a picosecond. A year ago i would have said there is no way Ottawa management could possibly be that stupid, but then they hired Travis Green, so anything is possible.

I still don't understand why they traded Chychrun away.

 

[Rowlet]

Apparently Seravalli saying Allvin is already making calls on defensemen

Seravalli: Canucks already trying to get on top of NHL trade market

NHL insider Frank Seravalli recently mentioned on Canucks Central that...

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[Vector]

I still don't understand why they traded Chychrun away.

Two reasons. He didn’t want to be there and extension talks were going nowhere. The other is that he’s actually pretty damn bad defensively. As always +/- isn’t a universal stat but it does well when comparing players on their own team. His -30 was the lowest among Senators defensemen and he wasn’t even close. The net closest was Hamonic at -10.

 

[Horvat1C]

If Pettersson getting moved is a real possibility, I would look at NYR. It's been reported that Trouba and the team both understand that this is his last year with the team, so changes are already on the horizon. Shesterkin needs his new contract and Panarin the year after. They might be one of the only high-caliber teams interested in a big move.

Zibanejad hasn't been a consistent producer for them and has come under scrutiny for a while. He could be someone they look to move in a shakeup and would be a replacement 2C for us. I'd be very interested in K'Andre Miller as well who needs a new contract. Kakko could be a good addition to a deal as well.

 

[supercanuck]

If Pettersson getting moved is a real possibility, I would look at NYR. It's been reported that Trouba and the team both understand that this is his last year with the team, so changes are already on the horizon. Shesterkin needs his new contract and Panarin the year after. They might be one of the only high-caliber teams interested in a big move.

Zibanejad hasn't been a consistent producer for them and has come under scrutiny for a while. He could be someone they look to move in a shakeup and would be a replacement 2C for us. I'd be very interested in K'Andre Miller as well who needs a new contract. Kakko could be a good addition to a deal as well.

That would be an epic blockbuster trade culminating in us winning a rematch of the 1994 Stanley Cup Finals.

 

[kanucks25]

I still don't understand why they traded Chychrun away.

Two reasons. He didn’t want to be there and extension talks were going nowhere. The other is that he’s actually pretty damn bad defensively. As always +/- isn’t a universal stat but it does well when comparing players on their own team. His -30 was the lowest among Senators defensemen and he wasn’t even close. The net closest was Hamonic at -10.

Also would have given them 3 expensive LD's with Sanderson and Chabot.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I still don't understand why they traded Chychrun away.

Because he couldn't play the right side, and they didn't have the money to keep him as LD3 and improve the right side at the same time. No clue why they traded for him in the first place if they we going to put him on the right when he had only played the left his whole career. He was bad last year but some of that was because they basically pigeonholed into playing the right side.

On a side note I still remember people here and pundits were panning the Hronek trade but loved the Chychrun deal which never made sense to me.