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He's basically an older worse version of Boeser. Slow, soft and not a good defensive player. It would be nuts to target him IMO.

Good thing Boeser is the top winger on the team...

Can you elaborate as to Bjorkstrand's defensive play? Last year, only Garland bettered him in xGA/60 2.13 to 2.29 (for forwards). The year before that, no regular beat his 2.41 xGA/60.
 
not when we have massive holes on the backend and are capped out. He's a downgrade on both our existing top 6 RW.....just a poor fit for us.
I mean I agree with you that a good D-man should be the first priority but I think we still have a hole in the top-6 if they plan to use Garland and Joshua on their own line.

Don't think we can go into the playoffs needing to use Hoglander in the top-6 given the season he's having and the playoffs he had last year.

And I guess we can agree to disagree on the quality of the player.
 
Good thing Boeser is the top winger on the team...

Can you elaborate as to Bjorkstrand's defensive play? Last year, only Garland bettered him in xGA/60 2.13 to 2.29 (for forwards). The year before that, no regular beat his 2.41 xGA/60.
well, he's a -70 over his last 342 games (bottom 5 league wide over that period and worst on his own team twice). How many "good' defensive players have a minus sign next to a very large number?

zero PK utility whatsoever. like 6 minutes total in almost 600 NHL games.


He's not a horrible player or anything, but he's a horrible target when you consider the assets it would likely require to bring him in AND allocating $5.4MM of cap when we have massive holes to fill
 
Bjorkstrand is the definition of a guy who has nice advanced stats because he plays butter-soft minutes because his coaches don't trust him, and then has fans saying he's a good defensive player because they don't understand the context those numbers were generated in.

He's not a good defensive player. Like, he isn't Sprong but he's soft and has a below-average motor and 3-zone compete and there's a reason he gets basically the softest zone starts on his teams every year and has barely played a minute on the PK in his career. And a reason Columbus basically gave him away at age 26 when he was their leading scorer signed to a long-term deal.
 
Bjorkstrand is the definition of a guy who has nice advanced stats because he plays butter-soft minutes because his coaches don't trust him, and then has fans saying he's a good defensive player because they don't understand the context those numbers were generated in.

He's not a good defensive player. Like, he isn't Sprong but he's soft and has a below-average motor and 3-zone compete and there's a reason he gets basically the softest zone starts on his teams every year and has barely played a minute on the PK in his career. And a reason Columbus basically gave him away at age 26 when he was their leading scorer signed to a long-term deal.
He’s also (or at least historically, was) a volume shooter which advanced stats guys love. So he was very highly thought of in Columbus….and ya, the perception really hasn’t matched his actual game and value.
 
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Hughes
  • In the conversation for a Hart Trophy; doesn’t know if he’s the favourite
  • People recognize how excellent his play has been
  • Would be in Seravalli’s top-3
Health & Trade Talks
  • Acquiring a top-4 defencemen was a need before Hughes & Hronek were hurt
  • Can’t BS the rest of the league; everyone knows what you are after
  • Their need for a defencemen exists for the Canucks regardless of where they are in the standings
  • Canucks inconsistencies are rooted directly in their health
Pettersson
  • When he is confident, competing, and paying attention to details he’s an incredibly dangerous player
Miller
  • Think that someone puts together an interesting package for him isn’t out of the realm of possibility
  • “Likes” how quotes from different podcasts and appearances get tweeted without any context at all
  • Doesn’t see a fit as a trade partner between the Canucks & Bruins
  • Feels that all the conversation around trading Miller, and Pettersson, is just spitballing and not rooted in reality
Available Defencemen
  • Has yet to find a suitable defencemen, for the Canucks, on a team that is willing to trade
  • Blue Jackets have said they’d like to extend Provorov
  • Lots of teams in the mushy middle; even more than usual
  • Really difficult to find a match
Making Trades
  • Teams are open for business but don’t want futures, they want roster players
  • Lots of teams don’t view the upcoming draft as strong and don’t see value in late 1st round picks
St. Louis Blues
  • Would rather be a rebuilding club than the St. Louis Blues
  • No future stars on the roster or in the pipeline
  • Would rather the sell the hope of a rebuild than where they are now
Nashville Predators
  • Doesn’t want to talk about them
  • Gives him anxiety thinking about what Barry Trotz has to figure out
 
well, he's a -70 over his last 342 games (bottom 5 league wide over that period and worst on his own team twice). How many "good' defensive players have a minus sign next to a very large number?

Filip Hronek was a -95 before VAN.

zero PK utility whatsoever. like 6 minutes total in almost 600 NHL games.


He's not a horrible player or anything, but he's a horrible target when you consider the assets it would likely require to bring him in AND allocating $5.4MM of cap when we have massive holes to fill

We have enough PKers here.

He's a winger fit, but perhaps not the best roster fit with the remaining cash, I agree. This team desperately needs defense more.

You made the right connection between Bjorkstrand and Boeser, imo. The posters that don't like Boeser are the same that wouldn't like Bjorkstrand. But if Boeser's resurgence has taught us anything, to judge that archetype as valueless is to immediately throw that opinion in the garbage. (I recognize you've qualified it to say "he's not horrible")

Last year alone, Miller and Boeser received a higher percentage of Ozone starts than Bjorkstrand, but gave up a higher xGA/60 as well (3.14, 2.78 to 2.29). He generally outperforms McCann and Beniers in this regard too (2.38 and 2.78. Also Ozone merchants because they are scorers, just as with most teams' top line). Finally, his On-Ice SV% has been .993 and .894 in the two years prior, so his +/- should be better than it is.

Boeser and Bjorkstrand both create a differential without being defense first players. It's just as important, if not in the traditional sense of viewing the game.
 
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Bjorkstrand, at the right price, could be a decent stop gap option if the team decides to not re-sign Boeser and maybe flip him for a defender and/or assets to acquire one.
 
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lol this is only like the 2nd season. Poor kid, the Hawks are so poorly built, he’s going to have to endure this for quite awhile.
Maybe it's 'wishful thinking' on my part, but could you ever see a 'Cutter Gauthier' type holdout by Berard, and a trade to his home-town Canucks?
 
Bjorkstrand is the definition of a guy who has nice advanced stats because he plays butter-soft minutes because his coaches don't trust him, and then has fans saying he's a good defensive player because they don't understand the context those numbers were generated in.

He's not a good defensive player. Like, he isn't Sprong but he's soft and has a below-average motor and 3-zone compete and there's a reason he gets basically the softest zone starts on his teams every year and has barely played a minute on the PK in his career. And a reason Columbus basically gave him away at age 26 when he was their leading scorer signed to a long-term deal.
IIRC you said a lot of the same things about Suter prior to and after he was signed, and you were pretty low on him.

His two-way (defensive utility moreso) has turned into the most valuable part of his game for the Canucks. He was generally considered a "fancy stats" guy.
 
Honestly only a couple players are interesting in Seattle but most aren't available.

Gourde might be a decent 3rd / 4th line C that might be had for cheap
 
well, he's a -70 over his last 342 games (bottom 5 league wide over that period and worst on his own team twice). How many "good' defensive players have a minus sign next to a very large number?

zero PK utility whatsoever. like 6 minutes total in almost 600 NHL games.


He's not a horrible player or anything, but he's a horrible target when you consider the assets it would likely require to bring him in AND allocating $5.4MM of cap when we have massive holes to fill
Quite a few "shows" seem to ignore the buyouts and how much they will affect the cap maximum.

With Demko's injury history should they sign the #1 goalie this year?
Is so, then there is very limited cap space available. Would Landinen be worth less than Demko now?
Landinen is under 1 mil now, he is proving to be a good #1 on this team so bumped to 5 mil might be very reasonable, in fact a steal. That's a 4 million increase.
Boeser's production from last year will propel his increase by 2.5+ million
The buyouts go from 3.5 million to 5.5 million, a hard increase of 2 million.
Hoglander's contract goes up 2 million if he stays
Then there re 5 other players besides Boeser needing new contracts with probable increases, 1.5 million or so?
That's around 10 million but the cap increase is expected to be 5 mil but even if 10 million the group on the ice hasn't changed.
That's 5 million more than the cap increase so someone is going.


Hughes
  • In the conversation for a Hart Trophy; doesn’t know if he’s the favourite
  • People recognize how excellent his play has been
  • Would be in Seravalli’s top-3

With the dearth of forwards scoring and the minutes played on this team he probably is mostly because of how poor the rest are.
Health & Trade Talks
  • Acquiring a top-4 defencemen was a need before Hughes & Hronek were hurt
  • Can’t BS the rest of the league; everyone knows what you are after
  • Their need for a defencemen exists for the Canucks regardless of where they are in the standings
  • Canucks inconsistencies are rooted directly in their health
Way too much emphasis on injuries. Demko has hardly been missed due to Landinen playing so good. Joshua was always suspected to not hit the same numbers as last year but the hitting has been more than replaced with Sherwood.
Hughes missed a whopping 4 games
The win/loss record didn't really change when Hronek left but the schedule has, it got much harder, he wasn't lighting it up and Hughes wasn't getting more points or less ice time when he was in the lineup.
Miller then Pettersson at different times. That's one forward missing, is that an excuse to lose? Then how has Utah, Colorado or Washington won any games?
Pettersson
  • When he is confident, competing, and paying attention to details he’s an incredibly dangerous player
His last game he was very noticeable, but the big story was him getting hit with the puck at a time in the game where a goal scored would not have made too big a difference. 11.6 mil to block shots?
Miller
  • Think that someone puts together an interesting package for him isn’t out of the realm of possibility
  • “Likes” how quotes from different podcasts and appearances get tweeted without any context at all
  • Doesn’t see a fit as a trade partner between the Canucks & Bruins
  • Feels that all the conversation around trading Miller, and Pettersson, is just spitballing and not rooted in reality
Most rumors are stories until done, then they aren't stories anymore. While there are lots of rumors nothing will happen and the time they are happening makes a difference too. Many possible teams might be waiting to accumulate more cap space. When it gets real quiet is when rumors are possibly becoming reality and the talk is quieting down because there is something very close or done and all are waiting. The Canucks got burned in the last Miller trade due to loose lips.

Miller and Pettersson has been confirmed by the GM, coach and Captain so their differences are rooted in reality.
When was the last a time a winning team apart from the LA Lakers 20+ years ago had star issues. How many times have "issues" in the room been traded away from what did become a winning team, lots.
The spirit in the room, how great all the guys get along, how they play for each other, brotherhood, etc... all descriptions on winning teams. Even now you here this in the league almost daily, the good rooms. You also here about bad rooms but mostly after something is done or the season has ended.
Available Defencemen
  • Has yet to find a suitable defencemen, for the Canucks, on a team that is willing to trade
  • Blue Jackets have said they’d like to extend Provorov
  • Lots of teams in the mushy middle; even more than usual
  • Really difficult to find a match
The Canucks don't need castoffs, they do need a top four guy. That means trading quality for quality and because of the Canuck need they probably need to add a sweetener.
Making Trades
  • Teams are open for business but don’t want futures, they want roster players
  • Lots of teams don’t view the upcoming draft as strong and don’t see value in late 1st round picks
At last recognition that late 1rst round picks are not early 1rst round picks but there are exceptional years.
Some team open for business do want roster players but good ones. The close standings in the east will encourage teams to over spend for a top six forward. Again any trade is quality for quality. Boeser, Miller or Pettersson are enough for some teams to really over pay. The current system of the Canucks make high skilled forwards into boards guys so losing a forward or two might not make that much of a difference overall.
St. Louis Blues
  • Would rather be a rebuilding club than the St. Louis Blues
  • No future stars on the roster or in the pipeline
  • Would rather the sell the hope of a rebuild than where they are now
Nashville Predators
  • Doesn’t want to talk about them
  • Gives him anxiety thinking about what Barry Trotz has to figure out
St Louis could become a seller sooner.
The Preds could hold out, next year could be better, almost has to be but they could be sellers anytime. Lots of good vets but the clauses and terms of contracts could be real turnoffs.

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Bjorkstrand, at the right price, could be a decent stop gap option if the team decides to not re-sign Boeser and maybe flip him for a defender and/or assets to acquire one.
If the team is going to blow up a portion of the core, it might make sense depending on the cost. But the extra year on his contract is going to make him more expensive (to acquire) than he's worth IMO.

Obviously if Francis does something dumb (or really likes Hoglander) then the story changes.

And one would have to assume that the team only moves Boeser if we fall out of contention heading into the TDL. Otherwise you're really f***ing around with team chemistry and that is a dangerous game IMO.
 

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