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[JT Milker]

It’s twenty twenty five and people still don’t think Hronek is a first pairing stud that could play away from Hughes without imploding.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I'm not even sure I would really...2023 Hronek vs 2023 Boeser?

For me, Hronek is undoubtedly an important piece of our team, but he'd be more valuable if he could help balance our defense...i'm not sure he can...but that's up to management to fix. Last year was better for everyone because Carson Soucy was infinitely better, and Tyler Myers played a little bit better and formed a reasonable pairing. Zadorov fit in well and Cole was serviceable. Hronek was never needed to step out of his cushy role beside Hughes.

For me it’s just ones a more unique type of player than the other. Not exactly a lot of RD available from year to year.

it's an entirely fair statement. there's a question mark over Hronek away from Hughes. knowing if Hronek could carry a pair is something we need to work out and that would be valuable.

Who carried our left side last year outside of Hughes? Cole was serviceable to a point. Soucy was good but injured.

I just don’t get why we should be talking about this when our D needs a lot of work still. It’s a backwards move.

 

[Canucker]

It’s twenty twenty five and people still don’t think Hronek is a first pairing stud that could play away from Hughes without imploding.

Let me know when you've seen that for any amount of time.

 

[Bleach Clean]

It’s twenty twenty five and people still don’t think Hronek is a first pairing stud that could play away from Hughes without imploding.

I don't expect Hronek would implode if played away from Hughes. But I doubt he shows as a #2 while away from him.

 

[JT Milker]

Let me know when you've seen that for any amount of time.

This is the new sedin twins unique points.

And regardless, any dman that creates the best pairing in the league with Hughes is more valuable than a winger with zero pk utility.

 

[Diversification]

I don't expect Hronek would implode if played away from Hughes. But I doubt he shows as a #2 while away from him.

I believe he was playing with Maata the season he was traded here and putting up very good numbers. Have to believe it wasn't Maata anchoring that pairing.

 

[Wisp]

elliot friendman update. not much, basically the Canucks aren't closing the door on the western conference as trading partners for one of Petterson and Miller.


to editorialize, the reason i don't think they're shutting the door down for western conference interest is because i don't think the door is actually open. just using the rumours as an excuse to gather intel and pump teams for information.

also pleasant surprise bluesky skeet sharing works here!

 

[Canucker]

This is the new sedin twins unique points.

And regardless, any dman that creates the best pairing in the league with Hughes is more valuable than a winger with zero pk utility.

Arguably its Hughes creating the best pairing in the league with whomever he's paired with...he resurrected Luke Schenn's career and helped get him a contract...when you have a defensive group as devoid of talent as the Canucks, Hronek should be carrying a pairing...especially at $7.25m.

Also, so if Brock Boeser had "pk utility" he'd be as valuable? Strange argument. Nikita Kucherov has zero pk utility...what a bum. lol...I think I clearly said Hronek has more value than Boeser, I just don't think it's as much as being thrown around here.

 

[brock hughes007]

I have been really debating with myself for awhile if trading or Signing Boeser is the right choice for this team.

And honestly, after much deliberation with myself, getting other opinions, I finally feel like i made up my mind.

Honestly, Even tho Boeser is one of the nicest fellows in the league, and was great for us in the playoffs last year, I feel this team should move on from him and find a different type of fit in the top 6, and on top of that, use some of that extra $ to shore up this defense which is badly needed.

Also, I feel you can get some decent assets for a boeser trade to use for another trade to either dump some cap (Desharnais) for example, or just keep it and get a bit younger.

This season honestly is not completely lost yet, but it's leaning in that direction.

I was thinking if you get rid of brock, Losing a guy like JT miller who is attached to the hip of brock would make some sense also, even tho i prefer to keep both JT and Petey.

Anyways, just my two cents.

I find Boeser one of the most frustrating players in the NHL.He has the talent but is inconsistent and lazy at times.His 40 goals last season was fun to watch but I said he will never do that again..He is streaky like Debrusk. And we just signed one of those so I don't think we need 2.
I'd rather trade him for defense that is much needed..

 

[Wisp]

wrong thread

I find Boeser one of the most frustrating players in the NHL.He has the talent but is inconsistent and lazy at times.His 40 goals last season was fun to watch but I said he will never do that again..He is streaky like Debrusk. And we just signed one of those so I don't think we need 2.
I'd rather trade him for defense that is much needed..

he's on pace for 36, likely will have 33 he plays all remaining games

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I find Boeser one of the most frustrating players in the NHL.He has the talent but is inconsistent and lazy at times.His 40 goals last season was fun to watch but I said he will never do that again..He is streaky like Debrusk. And we just signed one of those so I don't think we need 2.
I'd rather trade him for defense that is much needed..

I don't know how much value Boeser has as a rental.....Hes worth more to us for a playoff run
I don't think we come out with a win in a Boeser trade but as a futures perspective it would be lame to let him walk for free
I think we can resign him for a comparable contract
7x4 would be a win

 

[FuzzyTitus]

Arguably its Hughes creating the best pairing in the league with whomever he's paired with...he resurrected Luke Schenn's career and helped get him a contract...when you have a defensive group as devoid of talent as the Canucks, Hronek should be carrying a pairing...especially at $7.25m.

Also, so if Brock Boeser had "pk utility" he'd be as valuable? Strange argument. Nikita Kucherov has zero pk utility...what a bum. lol...I think I clearly said Hronek has more value than Boeser, I just don't think it's as much as being thrown around here.

Are you blaming Hronek or the coaching staff? Cause the few games Hronek has played without Hughes I thought he did a fine job. Not his fault the coach puts the 2 best D-men together.

 

[JT Milker]

Arguably its Hughes creating the best pairing in the league with whomever he's paired with...he resurrected Luke Schenn's career and helped get him a contract...when you have a defensive group as devoid of talent as the Canucks, Hronek should be carrying a pairing...especially at $7.25m.

Also, so if Brock Boeser had "pk utility" he'd be as valuable? Strange argument. Nikita Kucherov has zero pk utility...what a bum. lol...I think I clearly said Hronek has more value than Boeser, I just don't think it's as much as being thrown around here.

Kucherov has scored over 130 points in a season lol. McDavid doesn’t need pk utility either.

 

[brock hughes007]

I don't know how much value Boeser has as a rental.....Hes worth more to us for a playoff run
I don't think we come out with a win in a Boeser trade but as a futures perspective it would be lame to let him walk for free
I think we can resign him for a comparable contract
7x4 would be a win

If we are out of the.playoff hunt by the tdl
trade him..I'm not sure we are going to the playoffs this year anyways..I could be wrong..I just don't see it this year.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I believe he was playing with Maata the season he was traded here and putting up very good numbers. Have to believe it wasn't Maata anchoring that pairing.

Coincidently, Maatta is also playing top-pair in Utah...

You're right though, Hronek did well on the 2nd pair in 2022-23. Better than Maatta. A #3 Dman performance on a bad hockey team? In 2021-22, Hronek was relatively poor (-29). Split the difference?

I think there's a case to be made that he's a #3 Dman overall. Can be the best Dman on the mid-pair, even if he does not appear to be 'carrying' said pairing.

Kucherov has scored over 130 points in a season lol. McDavid doesn’t need pk utility either.

I think you just proved Canucker's point that there's a threshold at which a lack of PK utility is not a key factor in player assessment.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Hronek on his own pairing is the biggest no brainer of the year (aside from waiving juulsen).

Makes shoring up the Defensive deficiencies much cheaper and easier.

 

[Canucker]

Are you blaming Hronek or the coaching staff? Cause the few games Hronek has played without Hughes I thought he did a fine job. Not his fault the coach puts the 2 best D-men together.

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just saying that his value is mitigated by his deployment...I don't know if he is capable of anchoring a 2nd pairing because he hasn't done it with any regularity here, and at this point in how the season has gone, unless a top 4 defenseman materializes, he should be split from Hughes and anchoring a pairing. And I'm not saying he can't do it, I'm just saying it hasn't been done.

 

[sting101]

Yes lets trade the only pure goal scoring winger we have?

Hronek is not a top32 defenseman but he's close and is absolutely a quality top pair guy. He should be fine in a 2nd pairing without Hughes but that means your getting Myers w Hughes so careful what you wish for.

Myers is a good 4/5 but he is often the wrong player with Hughes because his reads and transitions are too slow to be able to activate Hughes in a position to be at his best

 

[valkynax]

Yes lets trade the only pure goal scoring winger we have?

Hronek is not a top32 defenseman but he's close and is absolutely a quality top pair guy. He should be fine in a 2nd pairing without Hughes but that means your getting Myers w Hughes so careful what you wish for.

Myers is a good 4/5 but he is often the wrong player with Hughes because his reads and transitions are too slow to be able to activate Hughes in a position to be at his best

Y...eah if we push Hronek down then Hughes will need a new partner. Myers works every now and then, but more often than not his chaotic display just makes me want to blow my brain out. And I suspect the other players on the team also had numerous "omgwtf?!?!!!" moments with him.

 

[JT Milker]

Coincidently, Maatta is also playing top-pair in Utah...

You're right though, Hronek did well on the 2nd pair in 2022-23. Better than Maatta. A #3 Dman performance on a bad hockey team? In 2021-22, Hronek was relatively poor (-29). Split the difference?

I think there's a case to be made that he's a #3 Dman overall. Can be the best Dman on the mid-pair, even if he does not appear to be 'carrying' said pairing.



I think you just proved Canucker's point that there's a threshold at which a lack of PK utility is not a key factor in player assessment.

Ok. It’s irrelevant because Boeser is nowhere near that threshold.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

No way can you trade Boeser if in a playoff spot. If you have to let him walk after, then so be it.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Ok. It’s irrelevant because Boeser is nowhere near that threshold.

He's not? Why do you suppose he's getting 1st line deployment here despite not being on the PK?

 

[VanJack]

No way can you trade Boeser if in a playoff spot. If you have to let him walk after, then so be it.

No way can you trade Boeser if in a playoff spot. If you have to let him walk after, then so be it.

If reports were accurate last season, the Canucks were in serious discussion to deal Pettersson rather than wait until the end of the season to negotiate new deal. And his new, long term extension basically came out of nowhere when the rumors began to circulate.

And they dealt Horvat to the Islanders rather than risk losing him for nothing. If Boeser doesn't have a new deal by the March TDL, he's as good as gone. At least that's Allvin's track record.

 

[Canucker]

If reports were accurate last season, the Canucks were in serious discussion to deal Pettersson rather than wait until the end of the season to negotiate new deal. And his new, long term extension basically came out of nowhere when the rumors began to circulate.

And they dealt Horvat to the Islanders rather than risk losing him for nothing. If Boeser doesn't have a new deal by the March TDL, he's as good as gone. At least that's Allvin's track record.

They dealt Horvat while well outside the playoff chase...if they are in the playoffs its not quite an apples to apples comparison with Boeser.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

They dealt Horvat while well outside the playoff chase...if they are in the playoffs its not quite an apples to apples comparison with Boeser.

Rutherford likes fast players Brock is not. Alvin likes Brock since he thinks he's a great goal scorer. I think.if they can move him in a hockey deal they will.