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[Canucker]

Hronek is a much more important player to this team than Boeser.

More important? Sure, agree..."much more"? Not so sure...if we knew Hronek could carry a pairing on his own he'd definitely be much more important, but he's got the cake job of being Hughes full time partner...it works well, but he'd be more valuable if he could carry a pairing on his own.

 

[PavelBure10]

Keep hearing this management has huge stones and isn't afraid to pull off something major. Well I'm waiting.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

More important? Sure, agree..."much more"? Not so sure...if we knew Hronek could carry a pairing on his own he'd definitely be much more important, but he's got the cake job of being Hughes full time partner...it works well, but he'd be more valuable if he could carry a pairing on his own.

If he'd like to revise that to 2023 Hronek, I'd be willing to accept that. Canucks D have 84 points this season. Hughes accounts for 45 of them. The problems are...clear.

Keep hearing this management has huge stones and isn't afraid to pull off something major. Well I'm waiting.

Wait longer. Go play hockey. Touch grass. Stop clicking.

 

[Canucker]

If he'd like to revise that to 2023 Hronek, I'd be willing to accept that. Canucks D have 84 points this season. Hughes accounts for 45 of them. The problems are...clear.



Wait longer. Go play hockey. Touch grass. Stop clicking.

I'm not even sure I would really...2023 Hronek vs 2023 Boeser?

For me, Hronek is undoubtedly an important piece of our team, but he'd be more valuable if he could help balance our defense...i'm not sure he can...but that's up to management to fix. Last year was better for everyone because Carson Soucy was infinitely better, and Tyler Myers played a little bit better and formed a reasonable pairing. Zadorov fit in well and Cole was serviceable. Hronek was never needed to step out of his cushy role beside Hughes.

 

[Canucks LB]

I have been really debating with myself for awhile if trading or Signing Boeser is the right choice for this team.

And honestly, after much deliberation with myself, getting other opinions, I finally feel like i made up my mind.

Honestly, Even tho Boeser is one of the nicest fellows in the league, and was great for us in the playoffs last year, I feel this team should move on from him and find a different type of fit in the top 6, and on top of that, use some of that extra $ to shore up this defense which is badly needed.

Also, I feel you can get some decent assets for a boeser trade to use for another trade to either dump some cap (Desharnais) for example, or just keep it and get a bit younger.

This season honestly is not completely lost yet, but it's leaning in that direction.

I was thinking if you get rid of brock, Losing a guy like JT miller who is attached to the hip of brock would make some sense also, even tho i prefer to keep both JT and Petey.

Anyways, just my two cents.

 

[Donuts]

Alllllvin

 

[rypper]

More important? Sure, agree..."much more"? Not so sure...if we knew Hronek could carry a pairing on his own he'd definitely be much more important, but he's got the cake job of being Hughes full time partner...it works well, but he'd be more valuable if he could carry a pairing on his own.

Even if he solely plays with Hughes, the minutes he can provide when Hughes isn't on the ice (ie. Hughes takes a penalty, Hughes is off for a breather in ot etc) make him incredibly valuable considering the other options.

 

[Canucker]

Even if he solely plays with Hughes, the minutes he can provide when Hughes isn't on the ice (ie. Hughes takes a penalty, Hughes is off for a breather in ot etc) make him incredibly valuable considering the other options.

I'm not suggesting he's not valuable, I'm saying his value is more limited if he can't effectively carry a pairing on his own...something we haven't really seen him do.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Looks like Allvin has given up on cooking and is now relaying solely on Uber Eats.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

He’s become a lot more solid defensively, and he was a stud in the playoffs for us last season. Even if he reverts to “just” a 25-30 goal guy, I don’t know how we replace that for a comparable price tag. I’d rather just keep Boeser.

If Boeser reverts back to 25-30 goals scorer at $8m x 8, that is horrible value for a player with his usage (L1, PP1, prime minutes with our top centers and Hughes). You can plug in numerous other wingers at a fraction of the cost and give him the same minutes, and he will produce similar results. I cannot stress enough how great of a deployment Boeser enjoys on this team, and if he only scores at a 25-30 goals pace while making $8m, that is a huge miss.

For comparison, JDB cost way less than $8m and doesn't get all the PP1 time, and still produce at that range. Boeser is not irreplaceable on the ice (no idea about in the room, that is something only the team knows).

 

[Hodgy]

Without really knowing how dysfunctional the Petey - Miller dynamic is, I still think the best route forward is patience and trying to add a youngish top four defender at the deadline. Our best case scenario, in my view, isn’t a trade but is Petey and Miller regaining their forms, and our team getting healthy and adding a top four defensemen who can move the puck.

Because I just don’t see how we come out of a trade without a gutted centre position.

Of course, if the Miller-Petey dynamic is as dysfunctional as some suggest, then sure, you need to make a trade and it’s hard to think it’s not going to be Miller.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Carolina waives Ty Smith. If I thought he had any chance of playing for Tocchet, I’d say put a claim in. But if Brannstrom can’t get ice time, I can’t imagine Smith would.

 

[Jerry the great]

Carolina waives Ty Smith. If I thought he had any chance of playing for Tocchet, I’d say put a claim in. But if Brannstrom can’t get ice time, I can’t imagine Smith would.

I just don't think you can be that small and slow in the NHL.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I just don't think you can be that small and slow in the NHL.

I tend to agree, but I’d take anyone who can move a puck on our blueline at this stage. I’d love for us to recall Wolanin, but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

 

[Jerry the great]

I tend to agree, but I’d take anyone who can move a puck on our blueline at this stage. I’d love for us to recall Wolanin, but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards.

Wolanin or a sneak peak at Kudryavtsev

 

[rypper]

Foot speed side there's been too many nights this season where Boeser is a non factor. Where you'd have to check the box score to find out if he actually played.

But he's not the only one. There's a lot of guys on a lot of nights just there for the cardio, and that's the most frustrating part.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Too bad Minnesota doesn't really have anything we want for Brock..

Don't think they're moving Jiricek or Zeev, Rossi is tiny but talented, there's just not alot there that helps now or soon.

So either have to trade him elsewhere for less worthwhile return, or take minny assets and find another trade with them which just adds complexity.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Over 8 mil will be the new market value in 2 years, that is where teams will look. For the Canucks even 7 mil will be too much due to the OEL and Mikheyev buyouts kicking in at 5.5+ mil in cap space.
To get him signed who should the team jettison next? They won't have any retention spots available so that is one asset gone. Not sign Landinen to a new deal, let him go for free. Brannstrom, Juulsen and Forbort go? They already have defence depth issues. Two or three forwards?

IF the Canucks trade him his present cap hit could fix the defence depth a bit or maybe both and the team would still have issues next year but they could have players signed through the worst of the next OEL buyout years.
Say Trenin/Gadreau and Jiricek plus, or not, a pick/prospect. I guess Jiricek is still a AAA propsect even though he has over 50 NHL games

So we wait two years, wasting the last of Hughes' cheap contract and essentially walk him to free agency with little more than a promise "NOW we'll be better again!" If this team doesn't try to be competitive, there's little reason he sticks around.

We can afford Boeser at even 8M, nevermind less. The cap is jumping to 92-93M next season. That almost covers the OEL/Mikheyev buyouts completely. How we improve the team afterwards is by jettisoning Deharnais and Hoglander who will eat up 5M while contributing practically nothing barring one hell of a resurgence from the latter.

A few weeks back I posted a mock roster when some here claimed improving the defense is impossible without trading Miller or Pettersson.

Yes, this means Lankinen walks. Odds are he will regardless because we can't afford 4M+ on a backup. If Boeser does sign for less, you could let Suter go and use that alongside the Silovs cap to maybe fit him in, but realistically, we don't have the luxury to be spending that much money on goaltending.

Now if we get some ridiculous offer for Boeser, I'd, begrudgingly, do it. But if we're looking at a Guentzel package when he wants to stay, I just don't see how that helps us whatsoever. We already can't score, losing Boeser only makes that worse.

 

[Jerry the great]

Too bad Minnesota doesn't really have anything we want for Brock..

Don't think they're moving Jiricek or Zeev, Rossi is tiny but talented, there's just not alot there that helps now or soon.

So either have to trade him elsewhere for less worthwhile return, or take minny assets and find another trade with them which just adds complexity.

Ohgren has a legitimate shot to be a top 6 forward. add their 2026 1st.

 

[Quinning]

Habs fans make me wish my 2nd team wasn't Montreal. They are already anointing Lane Hutson as the player that will transcend the NHL and win them ten straight Stanley Cups.