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Good news is after the road trip and four or five game losing streak, Rutherford is sure to make something happen 100%.




Myers, soucy, juulsen, Heinen, Miller, Boeser, Suter, hog, forbort, Desharnais.

Atleast Four of the above need to be gone to greener pastures, need new energy.
 
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Gotta wonder when management starts making moves, this season hasn’t been good at all. Our D is terrible and we don’t have the pieces to fix it without opening up holes in the top 6. It really feels like a incoming rebuild, which I thought we just got out of?
 
Romanov is a 25 year old top three defenseman that’s physical and skates well and is a RFA this summer, and won’t command a big contract.

What do you think a Brock Boeser rental is worth? He’s not going to get what Horvat was traded for.
No he is not. His number away from Dobson are terrible, when they try to play him in a matchup he really struggles. His underlying number playing are not great. He is a 4/5, in some ways very similar to Zadorov.
 
As a follower of Canuck futures on HD Boards, I'm torn. One the one hand, if the Canucks hang around in the wildcard race until late March, Allvin will be tempted to blow more assets on rental defensemen.

On the other hand, if they're toast in the playoff race, then it's more likely we see Wilander, Elias Pettersson, Kudryavtsev and maybe even Mynio get some games in Vancouver.

'Hope for the future' is more important than a futile chase for a wildcard spot, which would only see them get annihilated by Vegas in the first round anyway.
 
I think they need a trade just to pump up the team a little bit at least, get some new players and some new energy
 
I think they need a trade just to pump up the team a little bit at least, get some new players and some new energy
agreed need some fresh new blood.

Good news is after the road trip and four or five game losing streak, Rutherford is sure to make something happen 100%.




Myers, soucy, juulsen, Heinen, Miller, Boeser, Suter, hog, forbort, Desharnais.

Atleast Four of the above need to be gone to greener pastures, need new energy.
LOSE THEM all.
 
Yeah he's got size, some toughness, and will back an opponent but it doesn't change that he's poor at defending and lazy to defend on top of that. I don't see 5 or 6 years of that being worth whatever he would have added to this D-core this year. I would far rather wait and use that money on a good top 4 player that fits the team moving forward. Zadorov is impatience. Personally I doubt we're much better with him in the line-up.
This 100%.

Would we be better with Zadorov today? Yes. But if we sign him, we are hamstringing ourselves to him for 5 or 6 years based on a good trip to the 2nd round.

He wasn't an indispensable force during the regular season, and we are so starved for playoffs that many of us over emphasize the impact of who was good and who was bad during that time.

Keeping our powder dry was the right call.
that is one way to save face for kypreos i guess. chuckle.
I don't think Kyper's statement necessarily means we were willing to make the move.

I think if the Rangers were thinking of tabling a serious offer, they would need to use his money ideally, and would need to find out whether it was a complete non-starter or not.

I'm also not hell bent against Zibanejad. I mean, if he's the primary asset then obviously not.

But if it was like KAM, Lafrenierre, and Zib for Miller, Hoglander, Desharnais or something built around that (which I doubt) then I'm not hanging up immediately.

Which would be a great reason for Allvin to say "if you want to include Zibby, that door isn't closed, but let us know what it would entail".
 
Only at the midway mark of the season, but time is running out.

The Canucks are holding down 8th in the conference, but Calgary has a game in hand and are only 1 point back, while the Blues and Utah are only 2 and 3 points back respectively, with the Blues having played 2 more games.

Looking above them, the Canucks are 7 points back of the Kings, Stars, Oilers, and Avs, and I wouldn't count on any of them dropping any time soon. They're as close to being 12th in the conference as they are 7th.

Allvin is on the clock, and injuries aside, for all the talk about Miller and Pettersson, I don't think they're in this position if he doesn't crap the bed with the poor decision-making regarding the D over the off season.
 
Yeah he's got size, some toughness, and will back an opponent but it doesn't change that he's poor at defending and lazy to defend on top of that. I don't see 5 or 6 years of that being worth whatever he would have added to this D-core this year. I would far rather wait and use that money on a good top 4 player that fits the team moving forward. Zadorov is impatience. Personally I doubt we're much better with him in the line-up.
5 years and is then how old? Younger than Myers? And in 5 years the cap hit is around 4% of the cap ceiling. He has had no significant injuries and probably would not like Hughes getting rag dolled.
He is a 4/5, in some ways very similar to Zadorov.
Why all the Zadorov hate? Man you guys really didn't just drink the koolaid, you guzzled it.

On a team (Boston) with an overall minus 21 Zadorov is a plus 7 and playing top pairing minutes. But not on the PP. This performance on a brand new team that has changed a coach already and with a much harder schedule.
As a follower of Canuck futures on HD Boards, I'm torn. One the one hand, if the Canucks hang around in the wildcard race until late March, Allvin will be tempted to blow more assets on rental defensemen.

On the other hand, if they're toast in the playoff race, then it's more likely we see Wilander, Elias Pettersson, Kudryavtsev and maybe even Mynio get some games in Vancouver.

'Hope for the future' is more important than a futile chase for a wildcard spot, which would only see them get annihilated by Vegas in the first round anyway.
We, the fans are idiots and suckers to be mined by those geniuses that run the team.
Allvin puts the blinders on and tries to sell any playoff appearance as special. Half the league make the playoffs, is that special? Only to teams that haven't for a long while especially in the states where fans support winners.
This isn't the states (Captain Obvious statement) but maybe something Allvin still doesn't recognize.
Ya, squeak into the playoffs and then waste 8 days selling how many hits Sherwood got.

The Hronek conversation in the owned media lately. They are discussing a brand new idea, that maybe the team should see if Hronek can run his own pairing. They must just think fans have really short memories. This is exactly what Allvin stated at the end of last year, they hoped he could run his own pairing, that's why they traded for him and gave him that big contract.

I can't remember if Boeser played with Horvat it was so many years ago, 7+ years?

On the Canucks lack of scoring.
They have a team of boards guys, grinders, players that made their way to the NHL by forgetting scoring and becoming grinders. Tocchet has been purging the team of guys with the scoring touch. His system eliminates possession and makes the game into boards battles. All the grinders know to do is go to the front of the net. How many "sniped" goals scored now compared to tip in's and goals from where he used to score from, 5 feet around the net. Even Boeser isn't scoring with sniped shots.
Tocchet does have the team playing an equalizer type game, low event hockey but success depends purely on special teams, 5 on 5 is to use up the clock and keep it close. When you don't have individual scoring prowess it means keep the puck as far away from the Canuck net as possible, it could work in the real season but not with this group as they stand now and certainly not long term.

I guess what Allvin does can be 3 or 4 different directions depending upon how stupid he thinks the fans are. He wants fans to have short memories about the current team but selective long memories about all those losing years. "See, you got some playoff games, yeah, now for get the cost"
Utah and St Louis can catch the Canucks, Calgary if they make a trade might also if the Canucks keep playing not to lose hockey but I think their GM (Calgary) is more Canadian having faith in the fans support, so they might just follow their plan. Surprisingly Anaheim is within 7 pts now. These teams have all had much harder schedules to date so being this close now does have some significance.

Allvin could think farther ahead than 3 months, he really only has to work until the TDL after that he and the other 3 GM's with Rutherford have months to plan their next scam.

I do think Allvin could improve the team's future and for now with maybe two trades but to the right teams for the right players. Allvin has to be aware that this group has no players under 25 yrs old on the team and only one under 26 yrs old. Lekkerimaki is a call up and Hoglander a part timer. If they trade Pettersson they could fill the needs of today, make the team stronger now and for the future at the same time.

BUT there is the Tocchet Factor;

Will he ask Tocchet for his preferences? No matter what gets said the fact that the majority of players he has issues with are Euros' is in the "cloud". The numbers go way beyond a fluke, in his short head coaching career he has 4 or 5 times the number of Euro trained player problems
Tocchet still doesn't have a contract for next year? Yes the are options going both ways but Tocchet has the "clause". Canucks can exercise theirs and Tocchet can say no or Tocchet exercises his and the Canucks cannot say no. Should this lame duck coach dictate the team's make up? Or should the coach have a say but make whatever he has work?
 
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Heinen, Hoglander, Desharnais, and a 2nd for Frederic, Carlo, Brazeau

Heinen and Hoglander and Frederic and Brazeau are a wash. Carlo worth a lot more than Desharnais and a 2nd.

How confident is Vancouver in bringing Boeser back? That would be a more interesting Carlo swap for Boston.
 
This 100%.

Would we be better with Zadorov today? Yes. But if we sign him, we are hamstringing ourselves to him for 5 or 6 years based on a good trip to the 2nd round.

He wasn't an indispensable force during the regular season, and we are so starved for playoffs that many of us over emphasize the impact of who was good and who was bad during that time.

Keeping our powder dry was the right call.

I don't think Kyper's statement necessarily means we were willing to make the move.

I think if the Rangers were thinking of tabling a serious offer, they would need to use his money ideally, and would need to find out whether it was a complete non-starter or not.

I'm also not hell bent against Zibanejad. I mean, if he's the primary asset then obviously not.

But if it was like KAM, Lafrenierre, and Zib for Miller, Hoglander, Desharnais or something built around that (which I doubt) then I'm not hanging up immediately.

Which would be a great reason for Allvin to say "if you want to include Zibby, that door isn't closed, but let us know what it would entail".

Keeping our powder dry would have been not signing the "Triumvirate of Bad" in Myers, Desharnais and Forbort.
 
you can't do an overhaul of your defence in the middle of the season. I'm fine with a small add (mid round pick) to keep Hughes from leaving. But I'm not selling off major assets in the middle of the season. This team has played terrible and had a ton of injuries, can't reward them.

At this point, I'm not resigning Boeser. He's slow and has never been the same since his back injury. Wingers are also the easiest to replace. I think they could get a late 1st and more.

Forbort - mid round pick
Juulsen - mid/late round pick
Suter - 2nd/3rd rounder

This team needs to make smart long term decisions and then fix the D in the summer.

Do I think that will happen? No. I think they'll trade a 1st for M. Pettersson or something very dumb and short sighted.
 
Heinen and Hoglander and Frederic and Brazeau are a wash. Carlo worth a lot more than Desharnais and a 2nd.

How confident is Vancouver in bringing Boeser back? That would be a more interesting Carlo swap for Boston.
How about JT Miller your way for Lohrei on top of the above?
 
you can't do an overhaul of your defence in the middle of the season. I'm fine with a small add (mid round pick) to keep Hughes from leaving. But I'm not selling off major assets in the middle of the season. This team has played terrible and had a ton of injuries, can't reward them.

At this point, I'm not resigning Boeser. He's slow and has never been the same since his back injury. Wingers are also the easiest to replace. I think they could get a late 1st and more.

Forbort - mid round pick
Juulsen - mid/late round pick
Suter - 2nd/3rd rounder

This team needs to make smart long term decisions and then fix the D in the summer.

Do I think that will happen? No. I think they'll trade a 1st for M. Pettersson or something very dumb and short sighted.

Boeser scored 40 goals last year, he was slow then he is slow now, he will always be slow...but he generally does pretty well at producing offense and isn't terrible defensively...if you are dumping him you'd better find a way of replacing his offense.
 
Boeser scored 40 goals last year, he was slow then he is slow now, he will always be slow...but he generally does pretty well at producing offense and isn't terrible defensively...if you are dumping him you'd better find a way of replacing his offense.

He’s become a lot more solid defensively, and he was a stud in the playoffs for us last season. Even if he reverts to “just” a 25-30 goal guy, I don’t know how we replace that for a comparable price tag. I’d rather just keep Boeser.
 
Is Romanov really that much different than Zadorov when we acquired him? Couple ~20 point seasons under his belt, has some consistency issues, etc. I guess he plays somewhat higher/tougher minutes, but he's also had mixed results depending on defensive partner.
 
With Boeser, he’s usually just a passenger and doesn’t drive the play, and we are seeing what he looks like with a struggling Miller. In many ways, its a good thing to happen during his contract year, for the Canucks at least, rather than paying top dollar for a player performing in perfect usage (I.e., Hronek).

Is Romanov really that much different than Zadorov when we acquired him? Couple ~20 point seasons under his belt, has some consistency issues, etc. I guess he plays somewhat higher/tougher minutes, but he's also had mixed results depending on defensive partner.
With Romanov, and I’m speculating here, I get the sense that you could lock him up for five years or so at a very reasonable rate, and those years would all be his prime years.
 
He’s become a lot more solid defensively, and he was a stud in the playoffs for us last season. Even if he reverts to “just” a 25-30 goal guy, I don’t know how we replace that for a comparable price tag. I’d rather just keep Boeser.

I agree...he's a pretty solid guy....speed will always be an issue for him, both offensively and defensively, but positionally he's pretty darn sound and he typically makes smart plays. I hope they can sign a mutually beneficial contract rather than just cutting him loose.
 
He’s become a lot more solid defensively, and he was a stud in the playoffs for us last season. Even if he reverts to “just” a 25-30 goal guy, I don’t know how we replace that for a comparable price tag. I’d rather just keep Boeser.

With his dismal season, I don't see any scenario he can reasonably demand "north of 8M" like the rumours suggested earlier in the year. Boeser under 8M is pretty fair value wise imo. Especially when there just isn't anyone available to replace him.

I'd rather be in a position 2-3 years from now where Lekkerimaki explodes to the point we could trade Boeser without losing a step than Lekk being good but not great or just not cutting it at all, however we already shipped Boeser out and now desperately need offense.
 
With Boeser, he’s usually just a passenger and doesn’t drive the play, and we are seeing what he looks like with a struggling Miller. In many ways, its a good thing to happen during his contract year, for the Canucks at least, rather than paying top dollar for a player performing in perfect usage (I.e., Hronek).


With Romanov, and I’m speculating here, I get the sense that you could lock him up for five years or so at a very reasonable rate, and those years would all be his prime years.
Hronek is a much more important player to this team than Boeser.
 
He’s become a lot more solid defensively, and he was a stud in the playoffs for us last season. Even if he reverts to “just” a 25-30 goal guy, I don’t know how we replace that for a comparable price tag. I’d rather just keep Boeser.
totally depends on that price tag, and what he'd return in trade. We'll see how the team does over the next month, but continuing on down the road we're currently on seems like a clear sell signal from the hockey gods.

If you can get back a legitimate prospect + pick, it seems like the right way to go IMO. Just for fun...hypothetically speaking, what if the Wild dangled Ohgren + their 2026 first for a max retained Boeser (we pay a 4th or 5th to get his cap hit down to $1.6625)?
 
With his dismal season, I don't see any scenario he can reasonably demand "north of 8M" like the rumours suggested earlier in the year. Boeser under 8M is pretty fair value wise imo. Especially when there just isn't anyone available to replace him.

I'd rather be in a position 2-3 years from now where Lekkerimaki explodes to the point we could trade Boeser without losing a step than Lekk being good but not great or just not cutting it at all, however we already shipped Boeser out and now desperately need offense.
Over 8 mil will be the new market value in 2 years, that is where teams will look. For the Canucks even 7 mil will be too much due to the OEL and Mikheyev buyouts kicking in at 5.5+ mil in cap space.
To get him signed who should the team jettison next? They won't have any retention spots available so that is one asset gone. Not sign Landinen to a new deal, let him go for free. Brannstrom, Juulsen and Forbort go? They already have defence depth issues. Two or three forwards?

IF the Canucks trade him his present cap hit could fix the defence depth a bit or maybe both and the team would still have issues next year but they could have players signed through the worst of the next OEL buyout years.
Say Trenin/Gadreau and Jiricek plus, or not, a pick/prospect. I guess Jiricek is still a AAA propsect even though he has over 50 NHL games
 

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