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[Canucks LB]

5. Agents always attend the world juniors, so the end of Ottawa’s event allowed Brian Bartlett (J.T. Miller) and Pat Brisson (Elias Pettersson) to see their clients face-to-face and chat with the Canucks in Montreal. As Quinn Hughes has said, if the team was playing better, there would be less noise. And, as Pettersson told Iain MacIntyre, “I know I can do better… I know what I can do, and that's what I'm focussing on doing.” That’s the right attitude because you can always re-write the narrative.
But I stick to what I’ve said the past few days: the Canucks are investigating the market for both players and, as I write this, there’s no certain outcome. There are definitely a lot of teams trying to figure out why it's at this point, and how that affects their pursuit of either player. Some relationships are difficult to repair.

6. The Athletic’s Josh Yohe reported Vancouver turned down a Miller for Mika Zibanejad deal, and I believe he’s correct — with some semantics. (A few weeks ago, New York denied it, but all it takes is for someone like Yohe to shake it out, and information follows.)
You’ll remember that when Miller took his mental health break, the Rangers, who covet the player, were in Vancouver. From what I understand, they approached the Canucks to discuss what something could look like, and Zibanejad was included in the conversation. I don’t know that Zibanejad, who has a no-move clause, was ever approached. I asked at the time and did not receive a clear answer. I also think it was actually a bigger deal, and one of the issues is that Vancouver adores Braden Schneider, who the Rangers do not want to trade. This would be the second time New York has rejected a Vancouver attempt for him.

This is just fluff completely

 

[PavelBure10]

I've been still watching, it's like watching a train crash I just can't turn away. I no longer fret though if I missed a game, nor PVR if I am late. This season has been a disaster, anything that could've gone wrong, Did.

We keep hearing that Pettersson and Miller's relationship is beyond repair. I don't understand how it could get this bad. Miller must of been a huge dick to Pettersson behind the scenes.

Anyways back on topic. If Allvin trades Miller for Zibanejad I think I will puke.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I've stopped watching the last few weeks. They've lost me completely.

This really feels like that short 2021 season where we lost a bunch of decent players and the good vibes from that freak playoff run vanished.

It was apparant this season was going to be a write-off from the start. Demko setbacks, Joshua getting cancer and regressing, Soucy freakishly going from a solid #3 D guy to now looking like shit, Hronek injury, Pettersson/Miller drama....

f*** this season. Sell what you can at the deadline and let's retool.

 

[Three On Zero]

Dhaliwal's comments from the opening of today's show,

Trading Pettersson & Miller

• Most people around the league do not think the Canucks are serious about trading Pettersson
• Miller has not asked for a trade; Canucks have not asked him to waive his NMC
• Miller does not have a desired destination to go to
• Miller is concentrating on playing for the Canucks and there is nothing going on from his side
• Canucks are asking for a centre in return for either player

What?!?! So other teams executives aren’t buying into the made up media hype? Shocking I tell you!

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I've been still watching, it's like watching a train crash I just can't turn away. I no longer fret though if I missed a game, nor PVR if I am late. This season has been a disaster, anything that could've gone wrong, Did.

We keep hearing that Pettersson and Miller's relationship is beyond repair. I don't understand how it could get this bad. Miller must of been a huge dick to Pettersson behind the scenes.

Anyways back on topic. If Allvin trades Miller for Zibanejad I think I will puke.

I don't think Miller feels that way.
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You guys ever seen that Ted Lasso show? Think of Jamie Tartt and Roy Kent. That's how I see it.

Like, why do we all have to be picking sides? One of them will be gone by July anyways, the writing is pretty well on the wall if they don't figure that out. If you see JT or Elias on the street, do me, yourself, and all other Canucks fans a favour. Don't f***ing say anything. Don't talk to them. There's nothing they don't already know about themselves as hockey players.

You know, it's funny. Some players don't take to Vancouver, and that's usually because our media and fanbase are peaks and valleys. At least from what I've seen. Pavel Bure was one of them. Once he got the nickel and dime routine, he started to shut down. Still was more or less a PPG player because he's Pavel f***ing Bure. I don't think Roberto Luongo ever took to Vancouver until he had pretty much gone on working vacation due to how his situation was handled.

This is, as Roger Waters would say, is just another brick. I'm really super unworried about it, once the trade is made the team will do better automatically I figure.

What I am a teensy bit worried about is we will trade the wrong player and pay for it in years to come. But I think Aquilini is tired of people making assumptions about him and the chain of command he's put together is actually not half bad. There is some sort of degree of consistency and foresight to their moves rather than "HOLY SHIT WE NEED SAM f***ING GAGNER RIGHT NOW".

 

[Canucks LB]

If ziba is 50% Retained and it comes with K miller and a 1st, that's the only way I would do that deal

 

[Vector]

Recap of Frank Seravalli's interview on Canucks Central.

Miller & Pettersson

• Canucks have taken the opportunity to gauge the market on what it would look like if they would move either player
• Still thinks there are so many obstacles that makes trading them difficult in-season
• Most teams are playoff teams and don’t want to part with pieces from their current roster
• Trading either right now limits the market
• Thinks the easiest message is “suck it up and we’ll make some decisions in the off-season”
• Someone can come in and knock their socks off
• Thinks it’s a relatively big leap to say they can’t be on the same team
• There are some teams really intrigued with them but with all that’s gone on they don’t know what is true and isn’t in regards to their personalities
• These teams would rather steer clear & don’t want to inject these guys into their lineups
• Teams aren’t willing to give up a premium asset to acquire Miller
• Thinks Pettersson is the easier player to trade because doesn’t have trade protection, is younger, and has a higher ceiling
• Questions about how long Miller can be effective and would need to waive his NMC
• Has known about the friction between the two for multiple years; hasn’t been a secret and wasn’t a talking point because there are teammates who don’t seem eye-to-eye on every team; it’s a normal thing
• Miller’s absence could have been explained better and not flared all this up
• Entire organization hasn’t message this well
• A new layer added to this every week and the volume is turned up to 13

New York Rangers

• Thinks they would be interested but only at a certain cost
• If you’re taking Mika Zibanejad back, you’re losing the trade
• Acquiring Zibanejad doesn’t make any sense

Boeser

• Unless the Canucks are out of playoff contention, there’s no rush from either side to work out an extension
• Canucks want to see how Boeser “puts a bow on this season”
• Boeser is happy to stay in Vancouver but has been told this is a prove-it season
• Questions whether Boeser’s true production is closer to 28 or 40
• Very cordial and zero negotiations
• No need to do something because they feel that as long as the Canucks are in the mix, he’ll play out his contract and then both sides will sit down and decide if they want to continue the relationship
• Would be worse to sign him to a long-term contract that they aren’t comfortable with than let him walk
• If the Canucks are out of playoff contention, then it’s a different story

Defencemen

• At some point the front office is going to go out and get them another defenceman
• Story of the season isn’t the Miller vs Pettersson feud but that they haven’t had a healthy team all season
• The market has got thinner after a couple of trades and extensions
• Is Bowen Byram available? Sure he is
• Would the Blue Jackets trade Ivan Provorov? For the right price
• Mentions Rasmus Ristolainen and Will Borgen as available
• Doesn’t necessarily know the style of defenceman the Canucks are looking to acquire
• Maybe K’Andre Miller is someone that checks a lot of what the Canucks might be looking for; has size and is incredibly mobile; if the Rangers trade him will get a haul; is not sold on Miller’s ability to play consistently or process players; there’s a reason the Rangers might consider trading him
• Seems clear the Canucks don’t love the market either
• Doesn’t see where another top-4 is coming from unless it’s totally unexpected

Nikita Zadorov

• He’s had the same problems with the Bruins as he had at other places in his career
• Canucks drew a line during negotiations
• Really hard to get your hands on guys like him

Brock Nelson

• Impact centre market is even thinner than the defence market
• Is the premier rental centre
• Really clear interest in him from the Wild
• Feels his time is up in New York; him and Palmieri are both 33 and free agents; not sure how you sell the same team to the fan base again if you re-sign them

Noah Dobson

• Doesn’t understand why Canucks fans want Noah Dobson; he wouldn’t play on the powerplay
• Better suited to get a different stylistic fit

Alex Romanov

• Could see him getting traded for sure
• Had him on his list as a potential candidate for his trade board
• Thinks the Islanders have “bigger fish to fry” in dealing Palmieri and Nelson
• Questions Romanov’s ceiling when on a good team

 

[pitseleh]

I’d rather give Miller away for free than take on Zibanejad for him.

Schneider is an interesting piece and I can see why the Rangers would not want to get rid of him, particularly given they’d be thin on the right side after trading Trouba. Imagine the Canucks wanted to send them Desharnais.

Most interesting thing to me is the Canucks were actively talking about trading Miller with the Rangers about a day after Miller went on leave.

 

[Tinhorn1]

Recap of Frank Seravalli's interview on Canucks Central.

Miller & Pettersson

• Canucks have taken the opportunity to gauge the market on what it would look like if they would move either player
• Still thinks there are so many obstacles that makes trading them difficult in-season
• Most teams are playoff teams and don’t want to part with pieces from their current roster
• Trading either right now limits the market
• Thinks the easiest message is “suck it up and we’ll make some decisions in the off-season”
• Someone can come in and knock their socks off
• Thinks it’s a relatively big leap to say they can’t be on the same team
• There are some teams really intrigued with them but with all that’s gone on they don’t know what is true and isn’t in regards to their personalities
• These teams would rather steer clear & don’t want to inject these guys into their lineups
• Teams aren’t willing to give up a premium asset to acquire Miller
• Thinks Pettersson is the easier player to trade because doesn’t have trade protection, is younger, and has a higher ceiling
• Questions about how long Miller can be effective and would need to waive his NMC
• Has known about the friction between the two for multiple years; hasn’t been a secret and wasn’t a talking point because there are teammates who don’t seem eye-to-eye on every team; it’s a normal thing
• Miller’s absence could have been explained better and not flared all this up
• Entire organization hasn’t message this well
• A new layer added to this every week and the volume is turned up to 13

New York Rangers

• Thinks they would be interested but only at a certain cost
• If you’re taking Mika Zibanejad back, you’re losing the trade
• Acquiring Zibanejad doesn’t make any sense

Boeser

• Unless the Canucks are out of playoff contention, there’s no rush from either side to work out an extension
• Canucks want to see how Boeser “puts a bow on this season”
• Boeser is happy to stay in Vancouver but has been told this is a prove-it season
• Questions whether Boeser’s true production is closer to 28 or 40
• Very cordial and zero negotiations
• No need to do something because they feel that as long as the Canucks are in the mix, he’ll play out his contract and then both sides will sit down and decide if they want to continue the relationship
• Would be worse to sign him to a long-term contract that they aren’t comfortable with than let him walk
• If the Canucks are out of playoff contention, then it’s a different story

Defencemen

• At some point the front office is going to go out and get them another defenceman
• Story of the season isn’t the Miller vs Pettersson feud but that they haven’t had a healthy team all season
• The market has got thinner after a couple of trades and extensions
• Is Bowen Byram available? Sure he is
• Would the Blue Jackets trade Ivan Provorov? For the right price
• Mentions Rasmus Ristolainen and Will Borgen as available
• Doesn’t necessarily know the style of defenceman the Canucks are looking to acquire
• Maybe K’Andre Miller is someone that checks a lot of what the Canucks might be looking for; has size and is incredibly mobile; if the Rangers trade him will get a haul; is not sold on Miller’s ability to play consistently or process players; there’s a reason the Rangers might consider trading him
• Seems clear the Canucks don’t love the market either
• Doesn’t see where another top-4 is coming from unless it’s totally unexpected

Nikita Zadorov

• He’s had the same problems with the Bruins as he had at other places in his career
• Canucks drew a line during negotiations
• Really hard to get your hands on guys like him

Brock Nelson

• Impact centre market is even thinner than the defence market
• Is the premier rental centre
• Really clear interest in him from the Wild
• Feels his time is up in New York; him and Palmieri are both 33 and free agents; not sure how you sell the same team to the fan base again if you re-sign them

Noah Dobson

• Doesn’t understand why Canucks fans want Noah Dobson; he wouldn’t play on the powerplay
• Better suited to get a different stylistic fit

Alex Romanov

• Could see him getting traded for sure
• Had him on his list as a potential candidate for his trade board
• Thinks the Islanders have “bigger fish to fry” in dealing Palmieri and Nelson
• Questions Romanov’s ceiling when on a good team

It isn't said enough: huge thanks for these.

 

[sting101]

Really don't want either to go but if you can't get it sorted it's an easy Pettersson trade for me.
i dont think he gets through 4 rounds healthy. Frankly i dont know if any of our Swedes are geared for playoff hockey. Not to mention fool me once. How many i was shit or need to be betters before your as sick of the excuses as I am. He's 26FFS

Pettersson Hoglander Lekkerimaki Brannstrom for Cozens Zucker Kulich Byram

 

[TruGr1t]

• Most teams are playoff teams and don’t want to part with pieces from their current roster

This is what gets me, I think most teams interested in Miller will be looking at a competitive window over the next 2-3 years. None of those teams are trading NHL pieces for a 31 year old. If the Canucks were serious about moving him, they'd be looking to max out a futures package, in my opinion.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

This is what gets me, I think most teams interested in Miller will be looking at a competitive window over the next 2-3 years. None of those teams are trading NHL pieces for a 31 year old. If the Canucks were serious about moving him, they'd be looking to max out a futures package, in my opinion.

I agree with you in theory. But then real life consequences get in the way of that. My prediction/reasonable return is a bit like:

- Rising C, veteran D of average value, high pick
- Rising D, veteran C of average value, high pick

I'd love to get Romanov in blue and green. I've had my eye on him for several years now. I think he'd grow into a stable 2nd pairing option with 1st pairing injury relief competency.

I think the door on the Rangers is shut unless Drury is really feeling the heat. They've pretty much punted the season already.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

This is just fluff completely

Rangers are f***ing Pejorative Slured to set Schneider as a virtual untouchable. Teams can go below points .500 and make the playoffs. But when you are below win .500 for this long, and you're sitting on your hands as a team supposedly chasing a Cup, I'm kind of questioning your sanity honestly.

 

[David71]

My give-a-shit levels are getting lower by the day with this team. Thought this side show was done with when Benning left…

I don’t want to watch a bi-polar Miller play crappy for 4 games and then play great the 5th game.

I don’t want to watch the team play Hughes with a broken hand against Montreal half way through the year.

I don’t want to watch hockey where no offence is generated.


I’m getting close to being done.

no more games watching just highlights same old shit everytime.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I don't get the Canucks fascination with Braden Schneider. Short term he is a terrible fit because he is going to get killed playing top 4 minutes with anyone other than Hughes. Long term you have a Hronek and Willander on the right side. So, in long term he is more than likely your third pairing right shot defenceman. Is that the main asset you want back in a JT Miller trade.

Also, I saw this on Twitter and it look like K'Andre Miller was meant to be a Canuck. Big tall defenceman that loves chaos.

 

[Wisp]

I really wonder how much of this trade rumours with Petey and Miller is just opportunistic information gathering. I don't believe Miller and Pettersson are presently fighting at all, but this rumour growing from nothing could just be opportunistic smoke screen to pump the industry for information.

With trades this big, you'll find out the players other teams really value and the ones they don't.

No other front office believes decisive trading like the Canucks do, so i really do think this is something they'd do, especially in a time when the market is gridlocked and they really want to make one to improve the backend.

I don't get the Canucks fascination with Braden Schneider. Short term he is a terrible fit because he is going to get killed playing top 4 minutes with anyone other than Hughes. Long term you have a Hronek and Willander on the right side. So, long term he is more than likely your third pairing right shot defenceman. Is that the main asset you want back in a JT Miller trade.

Also, I saw this on Twitter and it look like K'Andre Miller was meant to be a Canuck. Big tall defenceman that loves chaos.

"We love Brendan Schneider."
"No way."
"Okay. Lets compromise. K'Andre Miller?"
"Well... okay."
*canucks run off cackling as they get their main target*

Remember how they used the Jake Guentzal smoke screen when D'Brusk was their main target in UFA? Media was Guentzal Guentzal Guentzal, Canucks targeting D'Brusk was nowhere.

 

[dez]

This management team is full of hot air if they do nothing on Boeser, they talk big about a decision will be made but when its time to make that decision they opt out (According to reports).

 

[F A N]

I've started writing for CanucksArmy. My CanucksNewsSummaries twitter account took off and they brought me on as a contributor.

That's awesome. One question, how is CA's press access these days?

 

[kanucks25]

Recap of Frank Seravalli's interview on Canucks Central.

Miller & Pettersson

• Canucks have taken the opportunity to gauge the market on what it would look like if they would move either player
• Still thinks there are so many obstacles that makes trading them difficult in-season
• Most teams are playoff teams and don’t want to part with pieces from their current roster
• Trading either right now limits the market
• Thinks the easiest message is “suck it up and we’ll make some decisions in the off-season”
• Someone can come in and knock their socks off
• Thinks it’s a relatively big leap to say they can’t be on the same team
• There are some teams really intrigued with them but with all that’s gone on they don’t know what is true and isn’t in regards to their personalities
• These teams would rather steer clear & don’t want to inject these guys into their lineups
• Teams aren’t willing to give up a premium asset to acquire Miller
• Thinks Pettersson is the easier player to trade because doesn’t have trade protection, is younger, and has a higher ceiling
• Questions about how long Miller can be effective and would need to waive his NMC
• Has known about the friction between the two for multiple years; hasn’t been a secret and wasn’t a talking point because there are teammates who don’t seem eye-to-eye on every team; it’s a normal thing
• Miller’s absence could have been explained better and not flared all this up
• Entire organization hasn’t message this well
• A new layer added to this every week and the volume is turned up to 13

New York Rangers

• Thinks they would be interested but only at a certain cost
• If you’re taking Mika Zibanejad back, you’re losing the trade
• Acquiring Zibanejad doesn’t make any sense

Boeser

• Unless the Canucks are out of playoff contention, there’s no rush from either side to work out an extension
• Canucks want to see how Boeser “puts a bow on this season”
• Boeser is happy to stay in Vancouver but has been told this is a prove-it season
• Questions whether Boeser’s true production is closer to 28 or 40
• Very cordial and zero negotiations
• No need to do something because they feel that as long as the Canucks are in the mix, he’ll play out his contract and then both sides will sit down and decide if they want to continue the relationship
• Would be worse to sign him to a long-term contract that they aren’t comfortable with than let him walk
• If the Canucks are out of playoff contention, then it’s a different story

Defencemen

• At some point the front office is going to go out and get them another defenceman
• Story of the season isn’t the Miller vs Pettersson feud but that they haven’t had a healthy team all season
• The market has got thinner after a couple of trades and extensions
• Is Bowen Byram available? Sure he is
• Would the Blue Jackets trade Ivan Provorov? For the right price
• Mentions Rasmus Ristolainen and Will Borgen as available
• Doesn’t necessarily know the style of defenceman the Canucks are looking to acquire
• Maybe K’Andre Miller is someone that checks a lot of what the Canucks might be looking for; has size and is incredibly mobile; if the Rangers trade him will get a haul; is not sold on Miller’s ability to play consistently or process players; there’s a reason the Rangers might consider trading him
• Seems clear the Canucks don’t love the market either
• Doesn’t see where another top-4 is coming from unless it’s totally unexpected

Nikita Zadorov

• He’s had the same problems with the Bruins as he had at other places in his career
• Canucks drew a line during negotiations
• Really hard to get your hands on guys like him

Brock Nelson

• Impact centre market is even thinner than the defence market
• Is the premier rental centre
• Really clear interest in him from the Wild
• Feels his time is up in New York; him and Palmieri are both 33 and free agents; not sure how you sell the same team to the fan base again if you re-sign them

Noah Dobson

• Doesn’t understand why Canucks fans want Noah Dobson; he wouldn’t play on the powerplay
• Better suited to get a different stylistic fit

Alex Romanov

• Could see him getting traded for sure
• Had him on his list as a potential candidate for his trade board
• Thinks the Islanders have “bigger fish to fry” in dealing Palmieri and Nelson
• Questions Romanov’s ceiling when on a good team

Lmao only interested in Miller if we do them a favor?

Oh will you please take our PPG powerforward center signed to a reasonable contract off our hands? We'd be ever so grateful...

Miller does not have negative value despite his age and the drama. I understand sometimes in these trades you have to take back some unideal cap but there still needs to be proper value.

If we're taking back Zib it needs to be at 50% and we get an "A" piece on top

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I actually have an article on this coming out soon. I didn't include Joe Thornton, as @Ernie, points out even though he's pretty much the best comparison. 20 years is a little too long to be useful.

Gonna look forward to reading that. Your articles are always a treat.

It boggles the mind Drury actually thinks he can dump Zibanejad for someone like Miller after basically announcing to everyone how much they don't want him.

The only reason I'd even want to deal with the Rangers is because Drury is that much of an idiot.

 

[StickShift]

Thomas Drance & Arthur Staple: What could a Rangers and Canucks blockbuster trade realistically look like?

Thomas Drance's proposed best offer: Filip Chytil, Braden Schneider, Brennan Othmann, 2025 third-round pick for​ J.T. Miller, Nils Höglander

Arthur Staple's proposed best offer: Alexis Lafrenière, Mika Zibanejad for​ J.T. Miller, Conor Garland

Personally, I think any deal with the Rangers where the Canucks get back Lafreniere would be a win for Vancouver. I think he is the highest upside piece and would look superb playing with Pettersson and Hughes.

 

[Vector]

That's awesome. One question, how is CA's press access these days?

Don’t know. I’m just a contributor. I think same as ever since that’s how Quadrelli and Paterson go to games and practices.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Thomas Drance & Arthur Staple: What could a Rangers and Canucks blockbuster trade realistically look like?

Thomas Drance's proposed best offer: Filip Chytil, Braden Schneider, Brennan Othmann, 2025 third-round pick for​ J.T. Miller, Nils Höglander

Arthur Staple's proposed best offer: Alexis Lafrenière, Mika Zibanejad for​ J.T. Miller, Conor Garland

Personally, I think any deal with the Rangers where the Canucks get back Lafreniere would be a win for Vancouver. I think he is the highest upside piece and would look superb playing with Pettersson and Hughes.

Go figure. The West Coast guy has nuance in his offer and the East Coast guy very clearly doesn't watch the Canucks.

Holy hell, East Coast journos! What do you actually DO? Watch your own teams games and write on it and that's it? I could fart out a more thought-out proposal than that absolute fleece job. Get f***ed Staple

 

[Jyrki21]

Remember when we had OEL, Poolman, Stillman and Burroughs?

I mean, from what I can tell, these four guys only actually played 2 NHL games together. That was never really the team's defense.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I mean, from what I can tell, these four guys only actually played 2 NHL games together. That was never really the team's defense.

Stuff that makes you wonder "hey, maybe if I bash my head against this wall a few times and act aw schucks, I too can be an NHL GM for 7 years!"