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[Vector]

A lot of bombshells here.

Petey not being safe is my biggest take away. No idea how based on these comments this team can do anything other than sell.

I don't think there's anyway they sell beyond Quinn Hughes saying he wants out. If you mean just Pettersson, I wouldn't be surprised if this is some sort of tactic to put more pressure on Pettersson to be better.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I don't think there's anyway they sell beyond Quinn Hughes saying he wants out. If you mean just Pettersson, I wouldn't be surprised if this is some sort of tactic to put more pressure on Pettersson to be better.

I agree it reads more as trying to light a fire than anything else. But I also think Allvin and Rutherford have the stones to make a big move if they end up thinking it’s necessary.

Very hard for me personally to see the team moving a guy like Miller or Pettersson mid season.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Also, Allvin not mentioning Boeser in the core of players seems tactical as well.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I have my quibbles with Allvin but he's definitely watching the same team we all are, and I'll never take that for granted from this management group again after Jimbo.

Definitely a big relief knowing the mgmt is capable and from all accounts, active and intelligent.

One thing that I keep coming back to is cap space....
Kinda seems like the lack of action is partially the team is trying to figure out exactly what the longer term plans are and what they're going to actually do.

11.6M is alot, even 8M is significant.
With a boeser extension also, feel alot like a turning point to whatever future plans may develop.
Especially with several other struggling teams possibly wanting to make bigger moves it only adds to the perfect storm.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

There is, but Miller would leave a bigger hole in the lineup than a 2nd pairing defenseman, the cost to replace him would be significant. He's arguably the team's second-best skater.

Or they can get an adequate replacement and suitable D in the same deal, which is why a talked about Pettersson for Byram and Cozens type trade would be appealing.

I wouldn't be opposed to a five or six piece deal between the Canucks and Rangers with Trochek and KA Miller coming this way. Add-ons by both teams to even out the dollars and whatnot. Make it an absolute blockbuster, even.

There’s no fit with the Rags for a C.

Torchek is unlikely to waive. Chytil is 2 mins away from being done and big no to Zib.

Rags are a mess. If Drury wants Miller badly enough, you squeeze him for every last drop.

Then just like Horvat, can use some of the assets to acquire a C elsewhere.

 

[Vector]

Also, Allvin not mentioning Boeser in the core of players seems tactical as well.

It was long-term players he was specifically mentioning and with Boeser being a UFA, he didn’t fit. I think they love Boeser but only at a specific. If he “gives more” then they will probably be willing to go higher.

 

[Nucker42]

I don't think there's anyway they sell beyond Quinn Hughes saying he wants out. If you mean just Pettersson, I wouldn't be surprised if this is some sort of tactic to put more pressure on Pettersson to be better.

It probably is but I don’t think that will work on a guy like him. Think he needs soft coddling type support. This could backfire.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

It was long-term players he was specifically mentioning and with Boeser being a UFA, he didn’t fit. I think they love Boeser but only at a specific. If he “gives more” then they will probably be willing to go higher.

I also think it’s a subtle tactic from Allvin of “our core is just fine with or without you”. If Boeser had signed an extension at a price level they liked, his commentary would be quite different.

I don’t think it’s a tell one way or another about something getting done. Just Allvin being tactical. Which is something previous managers were incapable of being.

 

[Vector]

It probably is but I don’t think that will work on a guy like him. Think he needs soft coddling type support. This could backfire.

Can it, though? The team is clearly frustrated with him and he’s already barely producing.

 

[Peter Griffin]

There is, but Miller would leave a bigger hole in the lineup than a 2nd pairing defenseman, the cost to replace him would be significant. He's arguably the team's second-best skater.

Or they can get an adequate replacement and suitable D in the same deal, which is why a talked about Pettersson for Byram and Cozens type trade would be appealing.

I wouldn't be opposed to a five or six piece deal between the Canucks and Rangers with Trochek and KA Miller coming this way. Add-ons by both teams to even out the dollars and whatnot. Make it an absolute blockbuster, even.

Depends entirely on what the Rangers would be willing to offer. I wouldn’t limit a potential Miller trade to one where you must get a center in return if there’s other offers of higher value that don’t include a center.

 

[ManVanFan]

I don't think there's anyway they sell beyond Quinn Hughes saying he wants out. If you mean just Pettersson, I wouldn't be surprised if this is some sort of tactic to put more pressure on Pettersson to be better.

I thought that was pretty well implied in the article.

Petey has shown up to this point that he is an extremely talented, quality player that could and should be a No. 1 centre. I believe in him. I believe that he's capable. (But) he needs to mature and understand that there are certain expectations and it does not get easier. And you need to face the music when things don't go well.

 

[mriswith]

I don't think we should be selling yet or giving up yet.

The roster isn't that far away. Demko is back and will improve as the season goes on. Hughes and Hronek will be back. We are a good team up front even when one of EP/JT are slumping and they won't both slump at the same time forever. A legitimate 2LD will be transformative especially because Brannstrom has proven he can handle the third pairing if the coaching staff will actually let him. Get a real 2LD, actually play Brannstrom on the bottom pairing and all of a sudden we have 60 minutes where the d can move the puck instead of 25.

We have to approach these seasons as if Hughes is going to walk. If he doesn't then breathe a huge sigh of relief and figure it out at that point, but until then there's no point in trying to set up any seasons beyond 2026. I'm not saying trade Lek or Willander or leave the 1st this year unprotected and if there isn't anything available right now then we'll have to weather the coming storm as is, but all the other assets should be in play.

I have my quibbles with Allvin but he's definitely watching the same team we all are, and I'll never take that for granted from this management group again after Jimbo.

I have fairly high confidence in this groups ability to scout forwards but I have majorly growing concerns about their defensive pro scouting and ability to ever fix the d. PA not mentioning the d at all when they are 95% of the problem with the team right now tells you a lot about how to interpret his comments.

Hronek was a good target, but bringing in only one top 4 dman in three years when we only had one to begin with is horrible, especially when we've been moving and dealing like a mid-window contender and a lot of top 4 dmen have moved around in the last couple years. The EP and Miller drama has done a remarkable job of keeping the fire away from PA's feet after a disaster of a summer on the back end and narrowly missing an even more massive crisis in goal.

 

[ManVanFan]

Also, Allvin not mentioning Boeser in the core of players seems tactical as well.

Good way to get the AAV down. Hard to argue against giving Brock 8M a year because others have been getting around that for a couple years now. Then Debrusk comes in who hasn't nearly been as good as Boeser but is now producing nearly the same.

 

[Nucker42]

Can it, though? The team is clearly frustrated with him and he’s already barely producing.

Have to try something for sure. Just feels like things are almost back to where they were when Allvin and JR first came to the team and realized it was a disaster.

Pro scouting and trading is so much better but they really have changed the core beyond Horvat.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

There’s no fit with the Rags for a C.

Torchek is u likely to waive. Chytil is 2minutes away from being done and big no to Zib.

Rags are a mess. If Drury wants Miller badly enough, you squeeze him for every last drop.

Then just like Horvat, can use some of the assets to acquire a C elsewhere.

Yeah, I don't think moving Miller is very likely, but on the off-chance it does happen, this is the way forward. There are some interesting Cs on the outs with their orgs - Zegras, Frost, Pinto.

 

[Vector]

A Miller trade with the Rangers but it’s K’Andre and not JT would be a lot of fun.

 

[thecupismine]

Well that interview gave a ton of credence to the @MS theory that management is sick of Petey's act these last few years, holy moly. Dealing him scares the heck out of me as the team lacks any sort of mid-20s push to augment Hughes outside of him, but it's definitely on the table.

Also fix the defense please, should be fairly obvious why the entire team is inconsistent when their ability to get the puck in motion is dependent purely on whether Hughes is on the ice or not.

The top guys can be better, but they need help too. Management has been just as half-baked in their efforts to fix the problem as Petey's effort on the ice has been.

 

[ManVanFan]

A Miller trade with the Rangers but it’s K’Andre and not JT would be a lot of fun.

I have a feeling Miller would nix that. Misread that a bit sorry. I thought you were going Miller for Miller.

 

[Vector]

I have a feeling Miller would nix that. Misread that a bit sorry. I thought you were going Miller for Miller.

It’s not a very well worded post, I will admit. I just think all the “Rangers want Miller” stuff would be very funny if the Canucks instead acquire their Miller.

 

[ManVanFan]

Well that interview gave a ton of credence to the @MS theory that management is sick of Petey's act these last few years, holy moly. Dealing him scares the heck out of me as the team lacks any sort of mid-20s push to augment Hughes outside of him, but it's definitely on the table.

Also fix the defense please, should be fairly obvious why the entire team is inconsistent when their ability to get the puck in motion is dependent purely on whether Hughes is on the ice or not.

The top guys can be better, but they need help too. Management has been just as half-baked in their efforts to fix the problem as Petey's effort on the ice has been.

As someone who listens around the league. This again seems like one of those Vancouver is about to make a big deal out of nothing. At 25 Miller wasn't mature at all. He was whining that he had to play 3rd line in TB. Years of Crosby whining to refs during his mid 20s. McDavid complaining. I know for sure that Schiefele and Trouba weren't mature enough for others in the room in Wpg. Mackinnon yelling at his coach to "do his job" when he was 24 and Zadorov saying he would yell at teammates in practice.

From things I've heard, Petey likes to be just left alone to play hockey as instructed. He's never going to want face the media nightly like the Sedin's.

 

[Curm]

There’s no fit with the Rags for a C.

Torchek is unlikely to waive. Chytil is 2 mins away from being done and big no to Zib.

Rags are a mess. If Drury wants Miller badly enough, you squeeze him for every last drop.

Then just like Horvat, can use some of the assets to acquire a C elsewhere.

Sure, Trochek may be unlikely to waive, just as Miller may not want to waive to return to the Rangers and their mess either.

With the Horvat deal, already having Miller and Pettersson provided them the luxury to fill the RHD positional need from elsewhere if the Islanders didn't offer or have a suitable player. Horvat wasn't leaving as big of a hole in the lineup as Miller would be now.

If trades are as difficult as it appears, expecting two of significance might be a little much, but who knows. Sounds like the Canucks want to keep both EP and Miller anyway, maybe they just go get another D and pay the price, and the talking heads are wrong once again.

 

[StickShift]

I'll double-down on what I've predicted before—they are going to end up trading both Miller and Pettersson within a year of each other.

 

[Curm]

I'll double-down on what I've predicted before—they are going to end up trading both Miller and Pettersson within a year of each other.

Bold. I don't care if they trade one or the other, or both or neither, as long as it doesn't negatively impact them retaining Hughes.

They have to fix that D though, how they handled it over the summer, creating an over reliance on Soucy and Myers and replacing Zadorov and Cole with Forbort and Desharnairs, was Benningesque.

 

[arttk]

Well that interview gave a ton of credence to the @MS theory that management is sick of Petey's act these last few years, holy moly. Dealing him scares the heck out of me as the team lacks any sort of mid-20s push to augment Hughes outside of him, but it's definitely on the table.

Also fix the defense please, should be fairly obvious why the entire team is inconsistent when their ability to get the puck in motion is dependent purely on whether Hughes is on the ice or not.

The top guys can be better, but they need help too. Management has been just as half-baked in their efforts to fix the problem as Petey's effort on the ice has been.

When his NMC kicks in then it’s going to be oh turns out this is just to light a fire.

 

[Szechwan]

I'll double-down on what I've predicted before—they are going to end up trading both Miller and Pettersson within a year of each other.

A classic Vancouver bit. Have one disgruntled star and somehow lose two.