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[Vector]

What does this mean? Like he has some juicy news but someone told him he is not allowed to share until Jan 23? Or was it a joke?

Joke. He realizes he’s a big reason this has spiralled and as recompense he won’t talk about the Canucks for a month.

 

[TruGr1t]

The questions from the local media aren't the problem. The players & team have not been in alignment in how they've answered questions about it, which just fans the flames. Everyone could've easily come out and said "no issue," or "there's an issue, we're working on it," etc. etc. - but they didn't. Hughes & Tocchet said one thting, Petey & Miller another.

Regardless, both these guys can put this to bed by just playing better. The blueline is a mess, but you'd hope your 20 million investment in your top 2 centers could help overcome it.

Anything systems related is just nonsense - these two guys played in the exact same system last year. A slight drop off is fine given the blueline, but turning into pumpkins offensively is crazy. Teddy bleeping Blueger has as many goals at ES as Miller & Petey COMBINED. That'ts not a winning formula.

They have about 10-15 games to figure this out before management has to make some tough decisions on the future direction of the team.

I'd agree the main issue is that everyone not named Hughes has ranged from inconsistent to bad on this team, and the bad locker room situation is probably largely driven by the team taking a major step back more than anything else. As mentioned above, it also seems to me the local media was only dragged into covering this after a bunch of out-of-market reports made it into a thing. Most local beat guys have known about tension between the two players for years, and a bunch have explicitly said they didn't have much interest in covering it again.

 

[supercanuck]

Joke. He realizes he’s a big reason this has spiralled and as recompense he won’t talk about the Canucks for a month.

Thanks @Vector!

 

[Jerry the great]

I still think Bowen Byram is our #1 target. We were probably looking at a package for Byram and Greenway but now Greenway is out long term with a major injury. ( i think we go after Greenway in free agency)

Maybe Byram and Zucker now.

One thing about the make-up of our team is we are sooo perimeter based. Debrusk and Joshua are probably the only players i can think off that lives around the crease.

Zucker is that drive hard to the blue type that i think we need or a player with that style. Another name that plays that style is Kreider.


Byram
Zucker

for

1st
4th
Lekkerimaki
Krudstyev
Hoglander

I think we're giving up an insane amount here to address our LHD hole. And how is this supposed to work financially? ~$9MM in and only $1.1 out.

IMO Zucker has little value to us on an expiring deal where he's getting above MV for what he brings (considering he's not going to be on PP1). not sure why he'd be in the deal.

1st + either Lekkerimaki OR Kudryavtsev should be roughly right value wise though Buffalo may not like either of those guys enough to get something done.

If Buffalo is looking for NHL bodies, I can see either Hoglander or VD (or both!) being thrown in to make the money work.

1st + 2nd + Hoglander/VD for Byram.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I have heard this a couple places, but it ignores the fact most of the reports that caused the stir came from out-of-market ... I'm looking at you Elliotte Friedman, Spittin' Chiclets, and Andy Strickland.

Yeah. “I can’t believe this is such a big story getting so much talk and airplay”….say the guys who are talking about it and airing it non stop.

 

[quat]

I can't help but roll my eyes when reading any media "personalities" blame the market for all this nonsense. Its like we get to blame some nebulous idea for our own lack of integrity.

Of course this hockey market is bizarre and at times awful, but it's not actively seeking the lowest common denominator discussion topics.

It's also fine to ask pertinent questions, but to focus entirely on personalities when there are so many other pressing concerns, ie management's complete miss read on their ability to develop the majority of the defence, or why they haven't improved the PP, shows a real lack of judgement.

But yeah, it's all just this market.

 

[Hodgy]

Donnie and Rick chat about another chapter in the Miller/Pettersson soap opera​

Wasn't Dhali on last week defending the media arguing that the Petey and Miller thing wasn't created by the media? Seems like he's taken a pretty big180 here. May have got a talking to from Grandpa Rutherford.

 

[krutovsdonut]

i am usually pretty down on the media but hughes and tochett just did media appearances that blew this thing up. they obviously planned to do that. so i don't blame the media any more than i blame my dog if i throw a steak at him and then try and command him to sit.

my take is the team has had it with both ep40 and jt and they threw them both under the bus to get it resolved one way or another by exposing both of their reputations to criticism. allvin came close to doing the same although he spoke strictly about performance. whether or not rutherford or allvin approved the limited hangout or it was a captain/coach decision i can't say. that rutherford is very skilled at working the media in these situations with plausible deniability is something i can say.

sidebar, but this whole thing reminds me of the weird ufo thing going on in the us right now with the endless ambiguous congressional hearings and government statements. nobody is quite saying anything definitive, but it sure feels like we're being prepared for something that might come as a shock if it happened all at once.

 

[lawrence]

i am usually pretty down on the media but hughes and tochett just did media appearances that blew this thing up. they obviously planned to do that. so i don't blame the media any more than i blame my dog if i throw a steak at him and then try and command him to sit.

my take is the team has had it with both ep40 and jt and they threw them both under the bus to get it resolved one way or another by exposing both of their reputations to criticism. allvin came close to doing the same although he spoke strictly about performance. whether or not rutherford or allvin approved the limited hangout or it was a captain/coach decision i can't say. that rutherford is very skilled at working the media in these situations with plausible deniability is something i can say.

sidebar, but this whole thing reminds me of the weird ufo thing going on in the us right now with the endless ambiguous congressional hearings and government statements. nobody is quite saying anything definitive, but it sure feels like we're being prepared for something that might come as a shock if it happened all at once.

There just drones bro.

And I’m a UFO believer. But there just drones.