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[Canucker]

Why is either team desperate to trade those guys for B prospects and a late 1st though?

Yup, when young, high pedigree players become available there is usually a bidding war and if you want to win these deals you have to offer something better than everyone elses 1st and B prospect...and there is no guarantee that anyone else in the same category becomes available during the season, so if you don't make a compelling offer you are going to be going status quo or looking at lesser options...pick your target, pick your "untouchables" and make the best offer you can possibly make to get the piece you think you need.

 

[krutovsdonut]

I've maintained all along that OEL should have been bought out this past summer but there are some poster(s) who believe that changing the culture last season had overarching importance. Perhaps if we kept OEL we would have missed the playoffs, had another lottery pick, and not attract a free agent like DeBrusk. Or maybe we would have.

or the team would have imploded after another year of losing and we would have gotten closer to buffalo in terms of culture. you cannot underestimate the enormous benefit to the franchise of last year. we may not have won the cup but we were a top team all year, made a mark in the playoffs, there were some enormously uplifting moments and hughes won a norris. those kinds of seasons just do not happen to a team with the canucks history leading up to it unless the starts all align and i don't think for one second it would have unfolded that was with oel in the lineup.

now i would not have bought out oel when we did and it only made sense to me at the time as a room issue. in hindsight the team mgmt was right and i was massively insanely wrong. that outcome has happened enough times recently that i am withholding a lot of (negative) comment these days.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I'm not saying they will. I'm saying neither team has any leverage given neither team can win a game, players want Drury out and Adams is not a good GM.

I get the idea of taking advantage of a desperate GM, but picks/prospects aren’t going to help either team win right now unless they flip those assets for a different player, in which case, I would be surprised if the Canucks’ expected later 1st would beat out a worse team that would conceivably be willing to move their own 1st for a young defender, ala what Vancouver did in acquiring Hronek.

I just don’t really see either team dumping either player for a package of picks/prospects unless it’s a solid offer. 1st, 2nd and a prospect other than Lekk/Willander is my guess and even than that’s bested by many teams I would imagine.

 

[Vector]

Very curious if they end up assigning a bunch of guys to the AHL right after the game tonight to accrue maximum cap space during the roster freeze.

Also intrigued to see what Alvin eventually cooks up. There's very clearly a wing opening in the top 6 as well, and I'm interested to see what kind of player management wants to see in that spot.

The Canucks play two more games before the roster freeze is lifted (both home games): Dec. 21st and Dec 23rd. Recalls are allowed so if there is an injury, it's possible. They need to be at a minimum of 20 players with only Sasson, PDG, and Karlsson being waiver-exempt. So from the roster right now, I can really only see PDG & Karlsson sent down for the majority of the roster freeze.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

The Canucks play two more games before the roster freeze is lifted (both home games): Dec. 21st and Dec 3rd. Recalls are allowed so if there is an injury, it's possible. They need to be at a minimum of 20 players with only Sasson, PDG, and Karlsson being waiver-exempt. So from the roster right now, I can really only see PDG & Karlsson sent down for the majority of the roster freeze.

Unfortunately, the Nucks already played the Wild on Dec 3 and lost in OT.

 

[Vector]

Greenway not a realistic option this season.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Greenway not a realistic option this season.

It's ok. I want Tuch.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Greenway not a realistic option this season.

@Nuckles in shambles.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

BUT, Justin Barron was a recent 1st round pick and he liked the way he could really rip the puck in juniors.

Jeez, that sounds familiar…

I've also been getting some Benning vibes from Trotz:

• Unexpected strong bounce back year on the strength of some genuinely shrewd signings (O'Reilly and Nyquist)
• A complete failure to understand what made the Predators succesful, and moving on from cheap effective depth like Tomasino and Sherwood
• Overpaying for name and draft pedigree.

 

[Diversification]

I never do these proposals, but Byram definitely feels a lot like Hronek - pending RFA, difficulties anticipated for next contract, buried behind other dmen. So if we go by what was paid for Hronek (mid-1st, high 2nd for Hronek and 4th), it'd have to be something like 1st, 2nd, Hoglander, Desharnais (to balance salary) and b-prospect. Something like that. Not sure if that's what Buffalo is looking for, but it's sort of what we can spare.

 

[Nucker42]

Roster freeze is tonight at midnight right?

 

[StreetHawk]

I never do these proposals, but Byram definitely feels a lot like Hronek - pending RFA, difficulties anticipated for next contract, buried behind other dmen. So if we go by what was paid for Hronek (mid-1st, high 2nd for Hronek and 4th), it'd have to be something like 1st, 2nd, Hoglander, Desharnais (to balance salary) and b-prospect. Something like that. Not sure if that's what Buffalo is looking for, but it's sort of what we can spare.

Then, if you budget the future contract, at $7.5 mill for example, he would take Desharnis roster spot. Would transfer $2 mill (above replacement cost) for Hogs contract. That gets you to $4 mill. Still short $3.5 mill. I had budgeted the $4.5 mill cap increase to cover OEL increase in dead cap and Hogs increase. So, might have a little left to drop it to a $3 mill difference.

So, someone else making that needs to go and have enough to cover the replacement of that roster player.

 

[Diversification]

Then, if you budget the future contract, at $7.5 mill for example, he would take Desharnis roster spot. Would transfer $2 mill (above replacement cost) for Hogs contract. That gets you to $4 mill. Still short $3.5 mill. I had budgeted the $4.5 mill cap increase to cover OEL increase in dead cap and Hogs increase. So, might have a little left to drop it to a $3 mill difference.

So, someone else making that needs to go and have enough to cover the replacement of that roster player.

Yep. That would be a headache to deal with for the offseason. For instance, losing Boeser and internally replacing him with Lekk and a lesser player?

 

[Bobby9]

Which is why it has to be part of a bigger trade.

EP
Hog
Vinny

for

Tage
Byram

 

[wonton15]

Imagine if we exploded with a Byram Tuch blockbuster trade at 8:59 PM tonight

1st 2nd 3rd Lekkerimaki Hoglander Desharnais Klimovich Mynio

 

[Vector]

Roster freeze is tonight at midnight right?

Correct for the Canucks. For eastern teams it's 9pm pacific.

 

[Nucker42]

Correct for the Canucks. For eastern teams it's 9pm pacific.

So what you’re saying is the canucks are about to squeeze in a trade?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Roster freeze conveniently at 11:59PM on a Thursday to prevent Allvin from making his typical Friday transaction.

 

[StreetHawk]

Yep. That would be a headache to deal with for the offseason. For instance, losing Boeser and internally replacing him with Lekk and a lesser player?

Yep, can certainly plan to do that. Just have to accept going into 25/26 with less proven players upfront. That cap hit has to come from somewhere.

 

[Quinning]

Imagine if we exploded with a Byram Tuch blockbuster trade at 8:59 PM tonight

1st 2nd 3rd Lekkerimaki Hoglander Desharnais Klimovich Mynio

That would completely gut our long term depth.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Byram + Krebs for 2025 1st, 2nd, Hoglander, Desharnais, Heinen

Maybe then trade Brannstrom for a 3rd or 4th or something to a team that needs PMD. I really don’t see a future here for Brannstrom. Especially if he plays like 13 minutes a night.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Hello, Sabres fan coming in peace. Been scrolling this thread in light of Friedman’s spitballing.

Wanted to let you all know that there is zero desire in Buffalo for futures-based trades. It makes no sense for us in either the short or long term. So suggestions of Byram for picks and spare parts are likely dead on arrival from our POV.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Hello, Sabres fan coming in peace. Been scrolling this thread in light of Friedman’s spitballing.

Wanted to let you all know that there is zero desire in Buffalo for futures-based trades. It makes no sense for us in either the short or long term. So suggestions of Byram for picks and spare parts are likely dead on arrival from our POV.

Tyler Myers and Hoglander for Byram?

 

[Vector]

Hello, Sabres fan coming in peace. Been scrolling this thread in light of Friedman’s spitballing.

Wanted to let you all know that there is zero desire in Buffalo for futures-based trades. It makes no sense for us in either the short or long term. So suggestions of Byram for picks and spare parts are likely dead on arrival from our POV.

While agreed, the main idea is that Kevyn Adams then does what the Canucks did when they traded Horvat; flip those assets for another player. It's far from an ideal fit and makes the Canucks a not very good trading partner.

 

[M2Beezy]

What about Pettersson, Hoglander, Desharnais, Briesbois and a 2028 7th for Byram, Cozens, 2025 1st and 2026 3rd??