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LemonSauceD

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At this point I don’t know if I’m willing to even trade our 1st round pick. This team has too many holes and too many question marks.

I feel like a rework of this team is needed. Even if we get a top 4 dman like Marcus Pettersson, we are still icing a below average d core. Soucy, Juulsen, Brannstrom, Desharnais, Forbort, Friedman are all 6/7/8/9 dman. This roster even with Hronek back and a top 4 dman is a 1st round exit team at best. Our forward group is also too slow and small.

I really don’t know what to feel.
 
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VanJack

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Rutherford on After Hours saying the team is going to make a real effort to keep the Lankinen-Demko tandem intact for next season, even if it means spending more money on goaltending. Interesting.
 
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mriswith

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Letting Lankinen go shouldn't be an option. Demko's injuries might have cost us the cup last year.

We really have no idea if he'll be available to us in the playoffs this year, let alone the future. Demko's contract is also cheap enough that we can pay a lot for Lankinen and still have less committed to the position than some other teams with premier goaltending.
 

Vector

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Feb 2, 2007
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Home Record
  • Beat themselves at home; 2 out of 3 games this season
  • Don’t play with the same urgency at home
  • Seem to be more comfortable on the road
  • Get a lot of days off and don’t play well when they don’t practice
  • Have some adjustments to make; are fixable
  • Need to fix these things quick
  • Can’t be a playoff team with their home record
Fixing Problems
  • Patience for the front office and coaching staff are two different things
  • Tocchet does a terrific job and has been dealt a different hand
  • Tocchet will figure this out
  • Front office will have to start to make decisions
  • Talk every day about making the team better and what changes they might have to make; are at that period now
Canucks As Contenders
  • Took a big step last year; a bigger step than anyone thought they could take in one season
  • Key is to maintain what they did last season
  • Lost some good players but have added some good players
  • Have dealt with a number of issues; all teams have to do it too
  • Need to get everyone in place and settle down
  • Certainly a good enough team to be a playoff team and will see where they go from there
Window of Contention
  • Can’t go to Costco and pick-up 1 or 2 players that can help you
  • Living in a cap world and hard to make deals
  • Need to add a couple of players to really give themselves a chance to content
Boeser
  • Will deal with Boeser, at the trade deadline, when the time comes
  • Are evaluating his situation
  • The key is what the term looks like
  • Like all contracts, player will have a different opinion than the team does
  • Will continue to watch this really close
Tocchet
  • Knew him really well from Pittsburgh
  • Handled some of the tougher situations, in Pittsburgh, for Mike Sullivan
  • Knew how he would be as a head coach because they watched him in Arizona
  • Good communicator
Miller
  • When a player asks for a reset you always give them that time
  • You work at this business to do the best you can but also have to realize these are people and everyone has issues to deal with at certain times
  • When a player reaches out for help, you give them the time off
  • Been a long career so he can’t remember every situation but does believe this has happened to him before
  • 15 years ago they weren’t as well equipped to handle this
  • Didn’t have all the tools that they have now
  • Has given players some time away; maybe not a month but a week or a few days
  • Happens all the time; a lot more than people think
  • Miller requested the time and it was for personal reasons
  • I get that the sports world makes up trade rumours but when a player is on leave for personal reasons, it’s very disrespectful without any information to start rumours
Lankinen
  • Not surprised that he has played well
  • Had a goalie situation that was tough
  • Lankinen overplayed his hand in free agency
  • Marko Torenious was with Lankinen everyday and they told him to talk to Lankinen every day so the Canucks know exactly what he’s doing
  • Were keeping an eye on him for about a month
  • Possible to keep both Demko and Lankinen
  • Don’t know Lankinen’s next contract but need goaltending to win
  • Willing to put a little bit more money on the goaltending side than they would somewhere else
Sherwood
  • Has been everything they’ve asked for
  • Were looking for that type of players
  • Lafferty brought a little bit of that last season; Sherwood brings more
  • Can play up and down the line-up
  • Drives the game some nights
 

SelltheTeamFrancesco

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Aug 11, 2015
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Home Record
  • Beat themselves at home; 2 out of 3 games this season
  • Don’t play with the same urgency at home
  • Seem to be more comfortable on the road
  • Get a lot of days off and don’t play well when they don’t practice
  • Have some adjustments to make; are fixable
  • Need to fix these things quick
  • Can’t be a playoff team with their home record
Fixing Problems
  • Patience for the front office and coaching staff are two different things
  • Tocchet does a terrific job and has been dealt a different hand
  • Tocchet will figure this out
  • Front office will have to start to make decisions
  • Talk every day about making the team better and what changes they might have to make; are at that period now
Canucks As Contenders
  • Took a big step last year; a bigger step than anyone thought they could take in one season
  • Key is to maintain what they did last season
  • Lost some good players but have added some good players
  • Have dealt with a number of issues; all teams have to do it too
  • Need to get everyone in place and settle down
  • Certainly a good enough team to be a playoff team and will see where they go from there
Window of Contention
  • Can’t go to Costco and pick-up 1 or 2 players that can help you
  • Living in a cap world and hard to make deals
  • Need to add a couple of players to really give themselves a chance to content
Boeser
  • Will deal with Boeser, at the trade deadline, when the time comes
  • Are evaluating his situation
  • The key is what the term looks like
  • Like all contracts, player will have a different opinion than the team does
  • Will continue to watch this really close
Tocchet
  • Knew him really well from Pittsburgh
  • Handled some of the tougher situations, in Pittsburgh, for Mike Sullivan
  • Knew how he would be as a head coach because they watched him in Arizona
  • Good communicator
Miller
  • When a player asks for a reset you always give them that time
  • You work at this business to do the best you can but also have to realize these are people and everyone has issues to deal with at certain times
  • When a player reaches out for help, you give them the time off
  • Been a long career so he can’t remember every situation but does believe this has happened to him before
  • 15 years ago they weren’t as well equipped to handle this
  • Didn’t have all the tools that they have now
  • Has given players some time away; maybe not a month but a week or a few days
  • Happens all the time; a lot more than people think
  • Miller requested the time and it was for personal reasons
  • I get that the sports world makes up trade rumours but when a player is on leave for personal reasons, it’s very disrespectful without any information to start rumours
Lankinen
  • Not surprised that he has played well
  • Had a goalie situation that was tough
  • Lankinen overplayed his hand in free agency
  • Marko Torenious was with Lankinen everyday and they told him to talk to Lankinen every day so the Canucks know exactly what he’s doing
  • Were keeping an eye on him for about a month
  • Possible to keep both Demko and Lankinen
  • Don’t know Lankinen’s next contract but need goaltending to win
  • Willing to put a little bit more money on the goaltending side than they would somewhere else
Sherwood
  • Has been everything they’ve asked for
  • Were looking for that type of players
  • Lafferty brought a little bit of that last season; Sherwood brings more
  • Can play up and down the line-up
  • Drives the game some nights

Too bad because the Canucks have the shortest distance from their arena to the nearest Costco in the league. What an advantage that would be.
 

David71

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Dec 27, 2008
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It’s going to come at the cost of our picks and prospects, in addition to current roster players. The FO wants to add a big fish and if you followed JR in his stint with the penguins he was almost addicted to being aggressive and making moves.
 

VanJack

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Jul 11, 2014
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time to strike a deal with the rangers? Kadm, kakko ?
Rangers and Canucks are both spinning their wheels right now. I wouldn't rule out some sort of blockbuster.

Things can't continue this way in either market. Both the Canucks and Rangers were booed off the ice tonight in their home rinks.
 
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Josepho

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Jan 1, 2015
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We should absolutely get rid of our first-round pick for a top 4 defenceman <28 years old or something. It's way more likely that that player moves the needle more than the ~17th overall pick.

You have the best defenceman on the planet. Go aggressive. If it doesn't work out and Hughes forces his way out in a few years, you can recoup the pick.
 

Curm

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I don't see a blockbuster with the Rangers materializing unless a third team is involved. If a center goes from the Canucks, they need another back along with a D and the Rangers don't have anything that should be of interest to the Canucks down the middle. Zibby is an absolute no-go.

A meaningful trade or a big fish brought in means cap has to go out.
 

Bourne Endeavor

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Apr 6, 2009
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At this point I don’t know if I’m willing to even trade our 1st round pick. This team has too many holes and too many question marks.

I feel like a rework of this team is needed. Even if we get a top 4 dman like Marcus Pettersson, we are still icing a below average d core. Soucy, Juulsen, Brannstrom, Desharnais, Forbort, Friedman are all 6/7/8/9 dman. This roster even with Hronek back and a top 4 dman is a 1st round exit team at best. Our forward group is also too slow and small.

I really don’t know what to feel.

Keeping our 1st makes little sense. We're not finishing below 15th which means unless we find a diamond, it'll be years before that player even sniffs the NHL. I mean look at Lekkerimaki. He won't crack our roster as a mainstay until year three of his draft. And that's far from a guarantee.

Three years from now puts Miller at 35 and likely on the downswing of his career, Hughes up for a massive 13-14M rise and Boeser at 30--essentially Miller's position now of "win soon or he'll fall off." Assuming we re-sign him, of course.

We basically have to try and win now. Otherwise, we're just wasting all the prime years of our entire core. And for anyone thinking we should sell that core off, does that include Quinn Hughes because I don't see him having any desire to stay if we suddenly decide to try forcing a tank job.
 

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