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[ziploc]

I like the second one with Fehervary.

If we do acquire him, I lobby for Larscheid to get at least one more game in the booth. I'd love to hear him attempt that name.

 

[Rowlet]

Fun article from The Athletic this morning. "Local" writers suggest a traget, James Mirtle decides the return, local writer then reviews the trade. There's two involving the Canucks.

WIll Borgen (Sea) for 2nd

Spoiler: Drance's Review:

The Canucks need additional help on defense — that’s been apparent all season — but it’s a need that’s about to be magnified over the medium term by Filip Hronek’s eight-week absence. Vancouver was going to need to bolster the right side of its back end anyway, but the Hronek situation ups the stakes. This front office is exceptionally aggressive about making in-season trades historically and has specifically moved proactively to boost its blue line in times of need — the club dealt for Nikita Zadorov in late November of 2023, for example, after Carson Soucy was injured. Among the pending unrestricted free-agent defenders, Borgen stands out. He’s relatively affordable cap-wise, he’s still relatively young (and would represent a potential long-term fit from a Vancouver perspective) and he’s a credible top-four option with enough offensive juice to potentially work as a fill-in caddy for Quinn Hughes on Vancouver’s top pair. He checks all the boxes. The Canucks seem to be pretty reticent about dealing significant futures or good young players for rental-type defenders, but a second-round pick for a player such as Borgen, who is young enough that the club might be willing to outbid other suitors for his services, would be a no-brainer. If the Kraken, who organizationally still have designs on competing for a playoff spot, decide to sell between now and the deadline, this would be a perfect fit at a reasonable enough price for the Canucks

Martin Fehervary or Travor van Riemdsyk for Nils Hoglander

Spoiler: Sean Gentille's Review:

As good as the Caps have been, they could use a bit more pop in their middle six. Höglander has some history as a play-driver, the ability to pop in 15 goals or so (last season’s hot streak aside), and at 23, could stick in the lineup for a few years. The question is whether it’d be worth sending back the defenseman that Vancouver requires; van Riemsdyk might make sense, as fellow right-shot Dylan McIlrath has given Washington some decent low-impact minutes.

That would be interesting for the Capitals, but doesn't Fahervary play with Carlson?

 

[Szechwan]

That would be interesting for the Capitals, but doesn't Fahervary play with Carlson?

Yeah zero chance the Caps trade him for a guy like Hoglander

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Cam Fowler peaked early and is cooked now pass.

 

[Vector]

Yeah zero chance the Caps trade him for a guy like Hoglander

I don’t think there’s zero chance. They’ve been reported as one of the teams very interested in him. There’s no way they trade Fehervary for him, though.

 

[Nucker101]

Fowler’s bread and butter was his skating, he’s lost a step now. And the blues aren’t exactly a deep team where he’s going to be more of a role/depth player which is the one scenario I could see him rebounding a bit.

Odd trade. Glad the Canucks stayed away from it.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Prey on the NYR while they're struggling

 

[ephmrl]

Prey on the NYR while they're struggling

Someone needs to tell Drury that trading Braden Schneider to the Canucks will solve all their problems

 

[Rowlet]

Someone needs to tell Drury that trading Braden Schneider to the Canucks will solve all their problems

Hell I'd take KA Miller

 

[Szechwan]

I don’t think there’s zero chance. They’ve been reported as one of the teams very interested in him. There’s no way they trade Fehervary for him, though.

Wait, that's exactly what I said? Zero chance they trade Fehervary for Hoglander

 

[Nick Lang]

Signing Demko and letting Lanks go is a major risk, imo

Demko wil want 7-8M

Lanks we could prob get for 4-.5M

Yup, at this point I'd be very tempted to sign Lankinen and trade Demko in the offseason.

Trade Demko and sign Lankinen. Carolina is looking for a goalie. Maybe we can get a defensmen from them.

Yeah, if Demko can stay healthy we could get decent return. I wouldn't trade him while we're in a playoff spot though.

trying to get too clever and acting like this is a stock market simulator and buying low and selling high is how you get rich

teams should only really operate in two modes: sell anything that's declining in value and buy stuff that's increasing in value (rebuild) OR buy buy buy and sell only when you need to do so to make room to buy buy buy

vancouver should be in the latter mode as long as hughes, miller, boeser and pettersson are all on the roster and relatively healthy

I couldn't agree more. Way too many people whose main concern is trying to GM in the NHL like it's the stock market and building trade value almost blocks out the actual needs of the club.

The weird thing is St. Louis acquiring him. They are .500 team. Even after the coaching change and getting Thomas back, they don’t track as being that close. They could trade him again but all the reporting was that the Ducks were going to move Fowler to a place he wants to be.

I find way too many times on the boards here people just write teams off super early because they aren't cup contenders. They're only 4 points out of a playoff spot. I'm sure in heir mind they're not throwing in the towel yet and like most teams think they have the parts to get it done. In that same vein we shouldn't be looking too hard at doing anything either.

 

[Vector]

Wait, that's exactly what I said? Zero chance they trade Fehervary for Hoglander

You’re right! I misread it as “trade for Hoglander”. My bad!

 

[LemonSauceD]

Is K’Andre Miller even good though?

 

[Rowlet]

Is K’Andre Miller even good though?

His possession metrics have been good, Corsi and Fenwick have been 3 and 3.5% above his team's average at 5v5, and this is on a team that has been very bad 5v5, becoming powerplay merchants almost entirely for the past several seasons.

Fox really skews the numbers as well, by being +12%.

 

[Szechwan]

You’re right! I misread it as “trade for Hoglander”. My bad!

All good, I can only imagine the stress you're under these days. Mod at HF, writer at Canucks Army, international exotic bird smuggling kingpin, I don't know how you do it.

 

[MS]

Fun article from The Athletic this morning. "Local" writers suggest a traget, James Mirtle decides the return, local writer then reviews the trade. There's two involving the Canucks.

WIll Borgen (Sea) for 2nd

Spoiler: Drance's Review:

The Canucks need additional help on defense — that’s been apparent all season — but it’s a need that’s about to be magnified over the medium term by Filip Hronek’s eight-week absence. Vancouver was going to need to bolster the right side of its back end anyway, but the Hronek situation ups the stakes. This front office is exceptionally aggressive about making in-season trades historically and has specifically moved proactively to boost its blue line in times of need — the club dealt for Nikita Zadorov in late November of 2023, for example, after Carson Soucy was injured. Among the pending unrestricted free-agent defenders, Borgen stands out. He’s relatively affordable cap-wise, he’s still relatively young (and would represent a potential long-term fit from a Vancouver perspective) and he’s a credible top-four option with enough offensive juice to potentially work as a fill-in caddy for Quinn Hughes on Vancouver’s top pair. He checks all the boxes. The Canucks seem to be pretty reticent about dealing significant futures or good young players for rental-type defenders, but a second-round pick for a player such as Borgen, who is young enough that the club might be willing to outbid other suitors for his services, would be a no-brainer. If the Kraken, who organizationally still have designs on competing for a playoff spot, decide to sell between now and the deadline, this would be a perfect fit at a reasonable enough price for the Canucks

Martin Fehervary or Travor van Riemdsyk for Nils Hoglander

Spoiler: Sean Gentille's Review:

As good as the Caps have been, they could use a bit more pop in their middle six. Höglander has some history as a play-driver, the ability to pop in 15 goals or so (last season’s hot streak aside), and at 23, could stick in the lineup for a few years. The question is whether it’d be worth sending back the defenseman that Vancouver requires; van Riemsdyk might make sense, as fellow right-shot Dylan McIlrath has given Washington some decent low-impact minutes.

Anyone reporting Fehervary rumours doesn't understand hockey.

Fehervary is their 2D and essentially Washington's Chris Tanev as their highest-leverage PK/defensive guy. He's an integral, core part of their team and is on a crazy team-friendly contract. They aren't trading him for a defensive liability on a 20-game pointless streak. They aren't trading him for anything unless it's a blockbuster for Rasmus Andersson or something.

Washington might like Hoglander but it would be for Iorio or Alexeyev, at best.

 

[LemonSauceD]

All good, I can only imagine the stress you're under these days. Mod at HF, writer at Canucks Army, international exotic bird smuggling kingpin, I don't know how you do it.

Dude you’re gonna blow his cover.

 

[Jerry the great]

Anyone reporting Fehervary rumours doesn't understand hockey.

Fehervary is their 2D and essentially Washington's Chris Tanev as their highest-leverage PK/defensive guy. He's an integral, core part of their team and is on a crazy team-friendly contract. They aren't trading him for a defensive liability on a 20-game pointless streak. They aren't trading him for anything unless it's a blockbuster for Rasmus Andersson or something.

Washington might like Hoglander but it would be for Iorio or Alexeyev, at best.

He's basically a de-risked (defensively) Willander who shoots left and the chatter around him is illustrative of how valuable Willander could be, even if he doesn't max out offensively.

 

[thecupismine]

Fowler trade was interesting. It wouldn't have made sense from a Canucks perspective this far away from the deadline with their cap situation, but even discounting that I don't think he's good enough for what the Canucks need to make that jump into contention status.

The Fowler of 5 years ago? Maybe, but not this version. The Canucks need someone more akin to Sanheim/Lindholm, although I'm not sure if that target level is even possible with the current assets they have.

More curious why St. Louis did the deal. I know Leddy might be out a while, but still strange for a .500 team to pay assets so they can stay a .500 team. Only logic I can see is wanting to make sure Broberg isn't overworked so he develops properly.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I’d easily take KAM.

Drury seems ripe for the taking.

 

[ephmrl]

I’d easily take KAM.

Drury seems ripe for the taking.

Having Miller anchoring the second pairing would turn this team into a contender, and we probably have the assets to make a deal work.

 

[Jerry the great]

Having Miller anchoring the second pairing would turn this team into a contender, and we probably have the assets to make a deal work.

I get that NY is in a tail spin, but home grown top pair defenders seem very low on the list of assets they'd be willing to part with.

 

[Diversification]

I get that NY is in a tail spin, but home grown top pair defenders seem very low on the list of assets they'd be willing to part with.

K'AM is on the outs in NYR. He could be had with the right pieces but it's risky. His game has fallen off and he's up for renewal.

 

[Vector]

Recap of Elliotte Friedman's Headline's on tonight's broadcast of HNIC.

New York Rangers

• Are open for business
• Let it be known that Chris Kreider is available
• Have some untouchables like Shesterkin
• Willing to consider all options and are listening to other teams

Christmas Freeze

• No trades can happen from the 20th to 27th

Trent Frederic

• Bruins Are getting a lot of calls on him

Vincent Desharnais

• Trying to move him
• Canucks prefer draft picks in return originally
• Are now willing to consider all options to get him a fresh start

Brandon Saad

• Is a healthy scratch tonight
• In the 3rd year of a 4-year contract with a 4.5m AAV
• Blues would like to move him
• Has an NTC but is willing to consider some other options

 

[Vector]

Anyone reporting Fehervary rumours doesn't understand hockey.

Fehervary is their 2D and essentially Washington's Chris Tanev as their highest-leverage PK/defensive guy. He's an integral, core part of their team and is on a crazy team-friendly contract. They aren't trading him for a defensive liability on a 20-game pointless streak. They aren't trading him for anything unless it's a blockbuster for Rasmus Andersson or something.

Washington might like Hoglander but it would be for Iorio or Alexeyev, at best.

To be very clear, this isn't a report. It was an exercise between the staff. Mirtle suggested Fehervary or van Riemsdyk and Gentille, rightly, only talked about van Riemsdyk. Also, neither Mirtle nor Gentille actually cover the Capitals.