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[Ernie]

Does that imply that they made him sit out 10 games?

It's all choice. If he commits to changing his ways, is earnest in his action, they can salvage this. He just doesn't want to.

The 10 game absence was absolutely unprecedented in NHL history. The messaging around it was suspect from the very beginning - nothing more than an attempt to save face for the player and the team.

 

[arttk]

ok

i can definitely see petey saying this getting out versus miller saying it. i think petey is a bit more in tune with his image than miller..

i'm sure the depth of conversations between miller and mgmt is quite substantial

JP Berry is no joke

It's been reported they did that. One particular player has just gone rogue.

Do it again

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Mistake #1: Signing Mikheyev to a 4 year contract when we needed help on the blueline. Had to use a pick and retain to get rid of him.

Not too bad.

Mistake #2: Signing Kuzmenko to a 2 year extension when it should have been foreseen the coach wouldn't like his style of play.

Again, wasn't too bad in the grand scheme of things. It's just annoying how there was an obvious disconnect between the GM and coach.

Mistake #3, 4, 5: Signing Myers to an extension, and thinking Desharnais, Juulsen and Forbort could round out our blueline.

I'm sorry but this was absolutely inexcusable. It was something right out of Jim Benning's playbook.

This JT Miller saga is now reinforcing the belief that our GM may be a total moron.

Myers signing is absolutely not a mistake.

I hate how ppl don't like a player and think that without them, the cap space will magically manifest a better player.

There's a finite amount of skill in the league. If we didn't re-sign Myers, our d would be even worse.

Desharnais, Forbort, Juulsen... yeah. That appears as they missed all of their actual targets and thought "I can fix him" arrogantly with one of these guys.

 

[Bleach Clean]

how can you speak so definitive - honestly asking

It stands to reason: Pettersson asked to stay, the talks about moving him cooled. Miller has not asked to stay, is entertaining calls from other teams, and the trade talk continues. If he takes the same position as Pettersson, agrees to change his method, what is the impetus for them to move him?

Miller has been doing whatever he's been doing here for 5 years already.

 

[Ernie]

Do it again

To what result? A leopard doesn't change its spots.

 

[racerjoe]

I think it may have something to do with him not living up to the contract he signed just over 6 months ago but that's just me. I don't think anyone's doubting he's a really good player but he's not even the best centre on our team, yet they cater to him give him the special treatment, best wingers, the money, .. still nothing. I think the pressure is too much maybe? That contract he was given was too much imo and I don't think he will ever be able to live up to it now which is going to be a problem with alot of fans. I still think he can be a great 2C. Last year we had 4 good lines, and we probably could have kept some of the pieces we had to let go if we didn't pay him so much.

What? Until the last handful of games miller has had the top wingers on this team.

 

[Vector]

To what result? A leopard doesn't change its spots.

Cuttlefish do, though!

I have no idea what anyone is even talking about anymore.

 

[PG Canuck]

I think they are planning on giving Pettersson a run here if Miller is traded, and they may look to move him before the clause kicks in if they aren't happy with the results. They're looking at the fact he's only 26 and locked-up, and thinking about guys like Eichel, and I don't think they're all that enthused about moving him. As mentioned though, I do think if Miller was 3-4 years younger this would be a very different conversation.

Basically what I think will happen too. As I posted above, both being traded when this is all said and done is entirely possible. I would just do it now, but I know it’s probably not realistic.

I question the mentality of Pettersson to lead a winner. I just don’t see it. He’s not the same player as he was a handful of years ago.

 

[andora]

It stands to reason: Pettersson asked to stay, the talks about moving him cooled. Miller has not asked to stay, is entertaining calls from other teams, and the trade talk continues. If he takes the same position as Pettersson, agrees to change his method, what is the impetus for them to move him?

Miller has been doing whatever he's been doing here for 5 years already.

fair, but again we don't know what miller is saying in the background right now. pettersson's leaked to save face and i don't think miller cares what is leaked or not.

i'm just questioning the validity of most of this stuff because there is basically nothing factual out there, like normal but it has gone on long enough you'd think something that has actually happened would get out.

 

[Ernie]

Cuttlefish do, though!

I have no idea what anyone is even talking about anymore.

It is a bit of a mess. Hopefully a Miller trade will calm things down a bit around here.

 

[andora]

Basically what I think will happen too. As I posted above, both being traded when this is all said and done is entirely possible. I would just do it now, but I know it’s probably not realistic.

I question the mentality of Pettersson to lead a winner. I just don’t see it. He’s not the same player as he was a handful of years ago.

just think about him lining up against the big teams in a quarter or conference final and if he can battle through it

 

[MS]

You're so much smarter than this man.

Being lazy or disengaged doesn't change the mechanics of your f***ing shot, my God.

So your hypothesis is that Petey, who will block shots, and make and take hits, and do all of the unglamorous parts of the game through his injuries, slump, and lack of confidence, is now shooting and skating slower across the board because he doesn't care? It's just so out of touch.

Your hypothesis is that the team's $11 million franchise center is struggling (and being hugely criticized) because of serious injury issue, and not only is the team choosing to not relieve that pressure on the player by explaining the situation, they're outright denying that he's hurt and repeatedly calling the guy out for his preparation and compete level.

It's just absolute drivel. It makes zero sense.

Shot speed percentile, last 4 years :

21-22 : 93rd
22-23 : 94th
23-24 : 97th
24-25 : 94th

His shot is just fine. He's just not getting into positions to use it.

Also he wasn't doing the unglamourous parts of the game last season, or in 21-22, or at the start of 20-21. As I said earlier, in this latest extended slump, some of that stuff has been better. And more than that even, people have no problem criticizing Miller's compete level when he throws a hell of a lot more hits than Pettersson, so throwing hits and having compete issues are clearly not mutually exclusive if that's the case.

 

[VanillaCoke]

We kind of know Miller is okay with a change of scenery, and we know its mainly east coast USA he'd consider waiving for.

Fwiw Chris johnston said today on overdrive the NYR, Devils, hurricanes and dallas definitely have made calls, and a few more teams we dont know about.

Not much reason to accept a bunch of miscellaneous parts if there's not a prime piece attached too.

 

[arttk]

Yes. Of course. What a crazy 'weird' belief that the player who has been called out for his compete level, engagement, preparation, and not moving his feet on multiple occasions by both the coach and his GM, and has multiple extended inexplicable periods in his career where he's clearly not competing or producing might have issues on these fronts.

Like, this is a thing. He's been called out for this shit by the organization *repeatedly*.

Player with an injured knee is not moving as much as before is such a no f***ing shit moment that it’s amazing to me you still believe it’s just effort. Like what @MarkusNaslund19 has said, dude is willing to block shot, he’s top 5 apparently as a forward in blocking shots, every year and yet he is just lazy when it comes to offense, the fun part of the job. And he’s only lazy in times when he is Injured /coming off an injury and he’s not lazy any other times. At some point you have to realize, oh, it’s actually injury.

The whole point about him not being injured enough, dude he injured enough to change his whole training regiment to “deal with it”. That sounds like a pretty significant injury if a player needs to change the way they train.

I think it might be time to stop this conversation and quarantine it back into the Pettersson thread or its own thread.

Yes

 

[MS]

We kind of know Miller is okay with a change of scenery, and we know its mainly east coast USA he'd consider waiving for.

Fwiw Chris johnston said today on overdrive the NYR, Devils, hurricanes and dallas definitely have made calls, and a few more teams we dont know about.

Not much reason to accept a bunch of miscellaneous parts if there's not a prime piece attached too.

A team like Buffalo should be emptying the vault for Miller - who is literally the *exact* thing they need the most - but they won't, which is the reason they'll continue to stay at the bottom of the league.

 

[TruGr1t]

Basically what I think will happen too. As I posted above, both being traded when this is all said and done is entirely possible. I would just do it now, but I know it’s probably not realistic.

I question the mentality of Pettersson to lead a winner. I just don’t see it. He’s not the same player as he was a handful of years ago.

The chance of moving them both and keeping some semblance of a window open during the remainder of Hughes contract is very slim, in my opinion. Their best bet is to hope Pettersson turns it around after Miller leaves, and that somewhat saves their bacon.

 

[Ernie]

Player with an injured knee is not moving as much as before is such a no f***ing shit moment that it’s amazing to me you still believe it’s just effort. Like what @MarkusNaslund19 has said, dude is willing to block shot, he’s too apparently as a forward in blocking shots, every year and yet he is just lazy when it comes to offense, the fun part of the job. And he’s only lazy in times when he is Injured /coming off an injury and he’s not lazy any other times. At some point you have to realize, oh, it’s actually injury.

The whole point about him not being injured enough, dude he injured enough to change his whole training regiment to “deal with it”. That sounds like a pretty significant injury if a player needs to change the way they train.

I don't think you're going to get very far with a poster who is basically on repeat about this stuff.

At this point I don't know if Pettersson's injured or just in a serious funk or some combination of the two. Either way, you're not liking his contract if things don't improve rapidly. 40 games ago you could view it as something he should be able to bounce back from. The team will likely will be patient because they don't have much choice.

 

[Vector]

Frank Seravalli's interview with Canucks Central.

Canucks’ Management

• Didn’t learn anything from the press conference
• There have been moments this season where management has brought this noise on themselves
• Thinks Boeser’s comments that all the distractions have seeped into their on-ice play
• No one in the organization thinks this has been handled well

What’s Going On

• Canucks clearly felt like they were closer to making a deal
• Received a tonne of pushback from the other side of the deal and told Seravalli that a trade was never as close as was being reported
• Going back two weeks ago, the Canucks met with Miller & Pettersson in Montreal and told both that the team is evaluating all of their options
• Miller & Pettersson have been on alert for a long time
• Feels to Seravalli that Miller is just ready to get traded
• Canucks are worse off having to make the Pettersson vs Miller regardless of what you get back for either player
• Doesn’t think the Canucks are capable of fully floundering towards the bottom of the standings
• Not dealing from a position of strength because everyone knows you have to make a move; the return is worse under those circumstances
• Fewer teams want to be involved because of the drama around this
• Management has allowed the situation to devolve into this

Miller Market

• Way more teams that have called but teams that are authentic and fits is harder to pin down
• Making a trade under duress so the return is always going to be underwhelming
• Miller’s age and term on his contract present a tonne of risk
• Hard to say anything with any degree of certainty
• Many of the names that have been talked about in the last 24-48 hours are nowhere close to reality

Tocchet

• Wonders what this means for Tocchet
• Calls the comments by Allvin (summarized earlier) about Tocchet earlier as “shade” in saying that “it’s a two-way street”
• Is it a money thing or is Tocchet not interested in staying on?
• If Tocchet were a free agent at the end of the season there will be 20 teams that would consider firing their coach to hire him
• There are 7 or 8 teams that love their coach and then there’s everyone else
• His energy, his management of players and personnel, and work he puts into the job really translate well to team success
• Really likable guy to be around and play for
• Is genuine; today’s player really connects with
• If these moves aren’t made in lockstep and he leaves it’s another miscalculation by management

Trade Market Overall

• Doesn’t know how much parity is impacting the trade market
• A lot of teams that want to improve but aren’t sure how much they want

to spend

• There are some teams teetering on the edge of selling more off
• Thinks there’s a bunch of teams engaging on Miller then disengaging and then taking a step back on the trade front

Miller’s NMC

• Miller has been pretty good about not weaponizing his NMC
• He’s not accepting any team but has been less restrictive than you might imagine

Carolina Hurricanes

• Calls them really interesting
• Rod Brind’amour is similar to Rick Tocchet and has the same level as intensity as Miller
• Miller would be a gamebreaker for the Hurricanes
• Don’t like to spend a tonne on any of their acquisitions
• Have a price they are willing to pay and anything beyond that they walk away
• Believes they have been engaged on Miller at various points but have a very clear price and hasn’t got much further than that

Boeser

• Hinted at all the noise seeping into the play of the team
• Maybe wants to go somewhere that has no drama
• Questions why the Canucks aren’t willing to commit to Boeser and make this year another prove-it year; isn’t saying the Canucks are wrong and would have gone about it the same way but thinks Boeser may be feeling a little spurned

 

[Dirtyclapper]

What? Until the last handful of games miller has had the top wingers on this team.

What? Pettersson has always had Debrusk and they've been rotating guys in there trying to make it work

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[Vector]

Please. Stop.

 

[PG Canuck]

I think half the people I've ever worked with have that condition, by the sounds of it.

Only half? How’d you get so lucky?

 

[TruGr1t]

It would be very Canucks for Tocchet to leave, Rutherford to retire, and it all just blows up.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Delete

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

This is just gonna drag on and on isn’t it.

 

[arttk]

I don't think you're going to get very far with a poster who is basically on repeat about this stuff.

At this point I don't know if Pettersson's injured or just in a serious funk or some combination of the two. Either way, you're not liking his contract if things don't improve rapidly. 40 games ago you could view it as something he should be able to bounce back from. The team will likely will be patient because they don't have much choice.

Yeah he has to get back to his pre-feb form, no doubt about that.