They're simply not going to get much of a trade package for Miller. He has an NMC, aging, big cap hit, and is a known malcontent. That's a lot of detriments to what people here seem to think is a premium asset. I don't really get why people are upset the rumoured trade packages are underwhelming. It is what it is. He doesn't have a ton of trade value.
I said before, if they're trading him, it's because they decided they have to move on. You're not winning the deal.
They have to always be "competitive". They don't really get a choice to choose a lane. It's Aquilini.
It's the nature of these boards apparently to be histrionic and not consider context at all.
I'm also looking forward to when the Canucks have a 3 pronged plan involving dealing Miller, relaying some of those assets for a Byram or something, and then using the cap space. But each and every step of the way 40% of Canucks fans will be screaming that they can't believe that THIS IS THE RETURN as if time has stopped and no more trades are possible.
I'm reading Doug MacLean's book and it's the most MacLean thing ever.
It's just this rambling of thoughts that are all over the place but is suppose to be about a specific topic.
It's entertaining enough but it hurts my brain.
It's a horrible book. I love the draft and knew 99% of the stories, which didn't help my enjoyment. But it's just endless, unfocused rambling with an occasional grade 6 book report level of 'oh yeah, here's my thesis again that building through the draft is good'.
There’s absolutely no reason for the Canucks not to be able to get a decent return for a player of this calibre. Period.
I don’t give a f*** how “toxic” Miller is rumoured to be. 8m in a rising cap is nothing. 104pts last year. Averages 91pts the last 4 years. Physical player that has size and skill, and can match up against the very best players in the league (when properly motivated ofc). One of the very best faceoff aces in the league. Still on a 73pt pace this year.
And you tell me Chytil, Lindgren, and a 1st is the return?
Management needs to not bungle this up. And posters saying any trade is a win, freeing up cap and getting a 1st is a win need to shut the f*** up.
Miller is a game changing asset for any contending team able to make the money work. He does not move without a prime asset and picks coming back.
This is just emotional and not grounded in reality. If the best deal you can get is the best deal you can get, then it is what it is.
If I have 3 apples and wish I had 5, I could hire the best accountant ever and it's still 3 apples.
I don't see a problem with this at all. We were competitive last year, in the hunt this year, and with a couple additions through the trade (plus Boeser) I could see us being just as competitive very quickly. Just with a revitalized and longer timeline.
We will hopefully gain a younger less volatile center. Add in a capable defender or two that makes a huge difference, and cap space to upgrade further in line with our core's average age. In my mind it's no guarantee but we could certainly be in a better position 1-2 years from now with a trade today. In fact it seems logical to me. I don't think there is any way they go full rebuild and attempt to not be competitive if that's what you're suggesting.
100%. We find ourselves agreeing with each other quite often I think.
Last year was our best run and then things have gone bad. But there could be a blessing in disguise here. Petey and Hughes are mid-20's and if we need to move off of Miller and Boeser to flesh out our D core and add more speed to the team (for the love of god please) then that's not a bad thing. Especially if we get younger in the process. I seriously hope we can find a way to sign Ehlers.
This is what I've suspected from the start as well.
Pettersson basically didn't compete for 50 games and no-showed the playoffs and was handled with the softest kid gloves and then Miller has a bad couple games and gets benched and embarrassed by the coach, and probably (and justifably) blew up as a result.
The coaching staff seemed to have a 'JT can handle it, and it worked last time a couple years ago' attitude to benching him, but nobody likes being benched and if I was in Miller's shoes I would have been absolutely f***ing choked after watching Pettersson get coddled while his play and compete level was much worse.
This is strange self-insert stuff.
A good coach (or leader or any type) knows that different people need to be treated differently.
Petey strikes me as a guy who beats himself up too much and then loses his confidence.
If his internal voice is already that cruel, berating him isn't helpful it will push him further into his shell.
Petey is also frustrating when he's struggling, but he's never a liability on the ice. He's a really strong defensive center even at the worst of times.
He's also often played with worse wingers and D because he has the skill and hockey sense to keep them afloat whereas Miller would probably struggle and sulk.
You making an excuse for an apparent temper tantrum by Miller that got him effectively suspended by the team feels to me like it's you inserting your own frustrations at Petey into the situation and thinking that Miller is a better leader because he's fighty and yelly.
Harsh disagree. It's not equivalent.
For this season, I strongly disagree that Petey has not been competing. He's trying. He's doing most of the right things. He's still hitting, blocking shots, making good defensive reads. Obviously he's not been as effective as he's expected to be. But he still has baseline professionalism on the ice (and off).
Miller literally just stops playing every other game. Pouts his way off the ice with his controller disconnected moments. Some of the laziest instances I've ever seen in the NHL are from him.
I think a lot of the people who think Petey 'isn't trying' don't understand the game.
For one thing, defense takes work, offense takes confidence.
When a player 'isn't trying' it's typically when they are cheating offensively and bailing defensively because offense is more fun.
An unconfident two way player will emphasize their D because they don't want to be a detriment and don't trust their reads to take the risks they need to.
Petey has been good to very good defensively all season, and poor to decent offensively.
But again, he doesn't yell or make the boards go bang. I think a great number of posters on here don't know what a good forechecking path looks like, or when the third man high should activate etc. So to them, they just think Petey is floating around out there because he doesn't do something loud and attention drawing.
I mean, that play wasn't an 'effort' issue. He was engaged fine but got mixed up on the coverage rotation. If something like that was worth a benching Tyler Myers would get benched 30 times a year. And going 'Petey, Petey!' is hardly some sort of mortal sin.
And it isn't like Pettersson isn't prone to this stuff, too. There was a play in the playoffs last year that sticks out where he turned the puck over on the near-side boards for a 2-on-1 and just stood there watching it instead of getting on his horse.
Boeser has had plenty of controller-disconnect moments under Tocchet, too.
Miller has been handled differently from everyone else by Tocchet.
All it does is tell you that some of his performance metrics are down. It doesn't tell you *why*. The Petey supporters have leaped to 'this PROVES hes's hurt' when it could just as easily mean the guy isn't engaged and competing as hard as usual and not putting himself into the red zone as often as when he's 'on'.
We only have seasonal data instead of game-by-game data and we can sort-of-see that the numbers are also down in 20-21 when he looked identical to this for a half-season with no knee tendonitis issues and if that's the case then we would know that it isn't injury related. But without game-by-game you can't prove that either. So in the end it tells us nothing aside from confirming that he's playing bad which our eyes were already telling us.
You're so much smarter than this man.
Being lazy or disengaged doesn't change the mechanics of your f***ing shot, my God.
So your hypothesis is that Petey, who will block shots, and make and take hits, and do all of the unglamorous parts of the game through his injuries, slump, and lack of confidence, is now shooting and skating slower across the board because he doesn't care? It's just so out of touch.
