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[December5th]

man i love this debates

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

So was the trade: Chytl, Lindgren, Sykora, Chemlar + 1st?

Probably was.

I'll trade you my busted fan, old air fryer that only works on the highest setting, a strawberry huller, expired cough medicine and a wooden hanger for your PS5.

 

[M2Beezy]

BREAKING NEWS : JT Miller WILL be traded before tomorrow nights game making it his last game with the Canucks, unless he is NOT traded before tomorrow nights game.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Miller's has more extremes. He plays amazing and then terrible.

EP40 just disappoints continuously.

If the reports are accurate, their conduct has both been consistent with that of losers. I think both are winners but need some serious looks in the mirror. Or maybe they should just watch Ted Lasso, because there’s a plot line in it that is more or less what it seems like is happening.

 

[Quinning]

Quoted for truth but I see people doing it to Miller now based on their own extrapolation of what little information we’ve been given as well.

If I see one more “that’s what fans doooooo” I might puke. We are so willing to dole out everyone else’s lack of accountability and ignore our own. I’m just as guilty, most of us are adult fans now.

Oh hell, I've said plenty about Pettersson I shouldn't have.

Like, I'm pretty sure if any of us had a coworker who was mailing it in day after day for months while the boss did nothing and you were picking up their slack, and then you take a long lunch once and get written up ... you'd be choked.

Miller handled a benching very well previously two seasons ago and responded with the best play of his career in the 1.5 seasons after that, and I think Tocchet misjudged the situation and went back to that well again at a time where the benching was bound to feel really unfair to Miller. Like, nobody else on this team got benched. Myers didn't get benched no matter what. Boeser didn't get benched no matter what. Pettersson didn't get benched no matter what. But because Miller is 'tougher' or better able to handle it or something he gets singled out.

In terms of their play, Miller even at his worst is still mostly competing and producing but then has random isolated plays where he just quits on the play. Even in that LA game, there was one play where he had a monster of a backcheck to negate an odd-man rush, and then just a godawful effort on a goal a few shifts later. Pettersson just goes into the void and doesn't compete for months. Miller's individual moments look worse but I think the whole overall 'thing' from Pettersson is worse.

Sure, I'd be choked...but that's not how you Play the Game.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Harsh disagree. It's not equivalent.

For this season, I strongly disagree that Petey has not been competing. He's trying. He's doing most of the right things. He's still hitting, blocking shots, making good defensive reads. Obviously he's not been as effective as he's expected to be. But he still has baseline professionalism on the ice (and off).

Miller literally just stops playing every other game. Pouts his way off the ice with his controller disconnected moments. Some of the laziest instances I've ever seen in the NHL are from him.

that is an incredible selective summary of pettersson. he's fallen off way harder than miller.

his shot rate has dropped 70% in two years and his shot attempts are down the same his shooting percentage has dropped as he takes less shots even though he won't shoot the puck unless he thinks he has a perfect shot.

his ratio of es to pp goals has gone from 4.5: 1 to 50/50.

one timers? what are those?

he clearly rushes any perimeter ozone possession including the pp. his priority is unloading the puck on hughes or miller if they are on the ice so they can make a play, and he hardly ever tries to make the play himself when they are on the ice.

he is painfully static on the pp in the ozone, never roving unless he is fleeing a check and never threatening a shot.

he regularly makes kamikaze ozone entries that lose the puck or he rushes a pass or dump in.

it is true that his puck hounding and defensive play have improved. but these are not qualities of a 1c. the ones i mentioned above are.

 

[Quinning]

BREAKING NEWS : JT Miller WILL be traded before tomorrow nights game making it his last game with the Canucks, unless he is NOT traded before tomorrow nights game.

Thanks Elliott

 

[brock hughes007]

Miller's has more extremes. He plays amazing and then terrible.

EP40 just disappoints continuously.

Think both should have the A,s pulled off the jerseys. This is not the type of leadership needed on this team.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

He's competed better in this most recent stretch of non-production but his compete in the last 30 games of last year + first 10-15 games of this year was utterly abysmal. Worse than anything in JT Miller's career. By a mile.

Well the dude has been double clutching on passes all calendar year. His confidence must be through the f***ing tubes. No excuse, still, mind you.

This is the worst case of the yips I’ve ever seen.

 

[wetcoast]

We've been so distracted by the nonsense we haven't been able to dream up a stupid Rantanen fantasy this offseason. Legit haven't seen it mentioned once.

Let's start it.

Rantanen to the canucks in the summer.

I love Rants but I think he stay in Colorado.

 

[Tinhorn1]

I swear I'm going to start hearing "the tendonitis tendonitis tendonitis hoax" in a Trump voice here pretty soon, ha ha.

Kind of kidding, kind of not. I've always figured he was neither physically nor mentally right, but I have no way of knowing for sure, and neither does anyone here.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

man i love this debates

You're even more toxic than me

 

[604]

Do the Rangers have a 1D equivalent to Sbisa that we can target??

Wouldn’t that be Schneider?

And their less proven equivalent (Theodore for ANA) being KAM?

I think the offer is likely Chytil + KAM + 1st (protected) and a b-level prospect.

Fight is over top 10 protected vs lottery protected.

Truly a guess and I liked it better when I hoped it was Laffy + KAM or Chytil + Schneider.

 

[Curm]

Petey played better during the stretch management told JT to take a hike.

Playing "better" for a relatively short stretch, knowing the other guy is returning, is a lot different than feeling the pressure to sustain a level of play and production equal to his salary, in the full glare, in an environment where he'll be scrutinized like never before and with the cover gone for good. We'll see, I guess.

 

[Szechwan]

I've explained multiple times the issues with the Edge data but you guys just don't want to hear it.

And per your initial point, the notion that the Canucks would know that their $11 million superstar was injured but would consistently deny it, allow him to get savaged for his poor play when they could easily take that heat off him, and then repeatedly criticize his compete and preparation ... makes literally zero sense. Take your head out of the sand, man.

I've mostly stayed out of this but I'd be curious to hear what your issue is with the Edge data?

 

[arttk]

I've explained multiple times the issues with the Edge data but you guys just don't want to hear it.

And per your initial point, the notion that the Canucks would know that their $11 million superstar was injured but would consistently deny it, allow him to get savaged for his poor play when they could easily take that heat off him, and then repeatedly criticize his compete and preparation ... makes literally zero sense. Take your head out of the sand, man.

It makes sense because they come from the Pens org where Sid and Malkin figured out how to be effective whenever they are injured. They never denied the existence of the injury, they just never went to the point where they are fine with not putting up points because he is injured. I don’t see Petey using it as an excuse as well but at some point, you have to see that even when he’s going all out, his acceleration is not there. He’s not getting open, he can’t create any separation, he can’t get to the spots like he usually does. It’s weird how we can accept that players become ineffective after losing a step due to age but somehow that logic cannot extend to injured players who have lost a step. If you think he has not lost a step then you are lying to yourself. Beyond that, to think that the coaching staff would play favorites when it comes to Petey and Miller or any players is just wrong. Outside looking in, aside from favoring handiness in D, it’s hard to say Tocchet is playing favorites with anyone.
On the positive side, tendonitis tends to heal after one full calendar year.

 

[Jyrki21]

The coaching staff seemed to have a 'JT can handle it, and it worked last time a couple years ago' attitude to benching him, but nobody likes being benched and if I was in Miller's shoes I would have been absolutely f***ing choked after watching Pettersson get coddled while his play and compete level was much worse.

If the blow-up had a direct reference to Pettersson, too, this would also explain somewhat why things got noticeably worse for both him and the team when JT came back.

 

[Zanon]

If Pettersson only played better because Miller was out, then we really need to question Pettersson's character. Is he really that big of a baby? You're in the NHL dude making more money than like 99% of everybody else in the league. Grow the f*** up.

 

[604]

Really my only goal in the whole Petey + Miller fiasco is ensuring Quinn wants to be here long-term.

Any chance we get NJD to bite on a Miller + Willander + 1st for Luke Hughes?

 

[FuzzyTitus]

I've had a bunch of different co-workers, with all sorts of personalities. It's annoying when someone less deserving of you gets praise and coddling (happens lots). But I've come to the point where I'll straight up refuse to work with disrespectful folks.

If you work for me, you're gone.

If I work for you, I'm out. I can take a scolding for things I screw up, but when people start coming unglued for their mistakes, blame others, and don't treat them with respect (particularly in public), that's a no go for me.

I have a feeling Miller is in that bucket. For example, furiously yelling at a young goalie to get out of the net. Just my take.

But working around that just drains the whole group and productiveness dives.

 

[rypper]

When i stop and think about how good this team was and can be, how good Miller can be, thinking about trading him bums me out. But if there's factors going on that are behind closed doors and the relationship is burned it's the right call.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Went into a meeting and saw a few pages of updates.

Got excited to see what happened.

Then I read through it...

 

[Bgav]

Went into a meeting and saw a few pages of updates.

Got excited to see what happened.

Then I read through it...

Straight up lol

 

[Bubbles]

Dhaliwal is saying the decision to move either Petey or Miller was made 6 weeks ago, that the situation was unfixable.

6 weeks of festering.

 

[Zanon]

When i stop and think about how good this team was and can be, how good Miller can be, thinking about trading him bums me out. But if there's factors going on that are behind closed doors and the relationship is burned it's the right call.

It just sucks. Having Miller and Pettersson as our top-two centers when they are both playing to their absolute potential is a real luxury. I don't know how we stay competitive over the remaining two years before Hughes' contract expires. We saw how valuable Miller was in the playoffs. You just can't easily replace that. Situation again, just sucks.