Euro: Group B: Spain vs. Croatia

[mfilipo3]

How the F is not a retake??

 

[les Habs]

Someone needs to remind Olmo he has teammates.

 

[ScottishCanuck]

Simon was off his line. No re-take is a bizarre decision.

 

[Blender]

So let’s itemize this

- robbed of a red
- goal taken away on a very marginal basis
- no retake, just goal kick, even tho Simon was also off his line to early

There's no way that is a red. He wasn't denied a goal scoring opportunity because he dove. The foul wasn't heavy enough contact to cause that reaction.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

The bar isn’t severity of challenge here, the bar is whether or not Rodri made an effort for the ball. Which he didn’t.

He didn’t really commit to a challenge. Looked like he pulled up

 

[les Habs]

I can only assume Ferran is coming on for Olmo.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

There's no way that is a red. He wasn't denied a goal scoring opportunity because he dove. The foul wasn't heavy enough contact to cause that reaction.

If you’re making a call there that that foul is a penalty, then it is a DOGSO. For a DOGSO to be a yellow instead of a red, there has to be an effort at the ball. There wasn’t!

Real issue here though is that Simon was off his line, which should make the violations a wash and another retake

 

[Blender]

Croatia looks like they are on a serious decline with most of these players on the way out, while Spain has ridiculous youth talent to just roll out.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I’ll say it

England refs are getting revenge on Croatia for WC18

ILL SAY IT

 

[Blender]

If you’re making a call there that that foul is a penalty, then it is a DOGSO. For a DOGSO to be a yellow instead of a red, there has to be an effort at the ball. There wasn’t!

Real issue here though is that Simon was off his line, which should make the violations a wash and another retake

That wasn't a DOGSO.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Croatia looks like they are on a serious decline with most of these players on the way out, while Spain has ridiculous youth talent to just roll out.

I mean it was a given at some point. I think Croatia doesn’t get out of the group.

As for Spain they need defenders if they actually want to win something. They have talent pretty much everywhere else.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

That wasn't a DOGSO.

How can it be a foul/penalty and not a DOGSO when the foul is in front of an open goal? The positioning of the foul (which was deemed to be bad enough to be a penalty) makes it inherently a DOGSO.

 

[Albatros]

Real issue here though is that Simon was off his line, which should make the violations a wash and another retake

Potentially. In case of equal violations it's a retake, in case both teams violate but one is deemed more serious then the referee can call it accordingly.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Fair

Croatia looks like they are on a serious decline with most of these players on the way out, while Spain has ridiculous youth talent to just roll out.

That's the difference between a small country punching above its weight and a big powerhouse nation. The big nations always produce talent year after year and it usually only takes 4-6 years to refresh/rebuild a team to a good level. Small nations like Croatia can easily go a decade without producing a world class player and a situation where they have a number of elite players playing at the same time may only occur once in a long, long time.

 

[Blender]

How can it be a foul/penalty and not a DOGSO when the foul is in front of an open goal? The positioning of the foul (which was deemed to be bad enough to be a penalty) makes it inherently a DOGSO.

A foul doesn't automatically mean a DOGSO, the D stands for denial. He could have stayed on his feet and still made an attempt, and he instead blatantly dove after feeling the brush on the shin.

 

[les Habs]

Croatia looks like they are on a serious decline with most of these players on the way out, while Spain has ridiculous youth talent to just roll out.

Wait another four years and you’ll likely really see some talents to go along with Gvardiol. Not sure about a striker or on the wings, but they should have some defenders and midfielders.

 

[Jussi]

There's no way that is a red. He wasn't denied a goal scoring opportunity because he dove. The foul wasn't heavy enough contact to cause that reaction.

Yeah and in that sense, no goal is "justice".

 

[luiginb]

Spain managed to score three with Williams and Olmo being uncharacteristically horrible today.

I agree that should have been a red on Rodri and the penalty might have been retaken, but I need another replay to see Simon's feet.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Spain was impressive. They need to tighten up on defending, but that was entertaining.

 

[Jussi]

Potentially. In case of equal violations it's a retake, in case both teams violate but one is deemed more serious then the referee can call it accordingly.

Law 14 - The Penalty Kick

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

a player of both teams offends, the kick is retaken unless a player commits a more serious offence (e.g. 'illegal' feinting);

 

[Islesfan22]

Weird game Spain didn’t dominate possession but still won easily. Croatia defense exposed on the middle

 

[les Habs]

Spain managed to score three with Williams and Olmo being uncharacteristically horrible today.

Yeah, not NIco’s best match.

Simon doing his Dr Jekyll / Mr Hyde today.

Ruiz has to be Man of the Match. Literally made two goals.

 

[les Habs]

Spain was impressive. They need to tighten up on defending, but that was entertaining.

I noted the defense earlier, but also as I said, they need a striker. Morata isn’t consistent and now he’s out. The manager’s answer? Oyarzabal. I like Oyarzabal and he’s played up front for La Real this past season, but when the chips are down I wouldn’t want him in that role. That leaves Joselu. So Spain will need goals from somewhere.

 

[Islesfan22]

Spain was impressive. They need to tighten up on defending, but that was entertaining.

They played more long balls which they usually don’t do. They took advantage of there pace and lack of pace of Croatia. Spain defense still a bit shaky for I think will get exposed with teams with a better front line.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Spain doesn't scare me much after this match. Their defense looks shaky, they have pace up front but Croatia also gave them a ton of space. For a Spain team they don't have much of a midfield as well. I would pick France or England above them.