Gretzky Bros Vs The Hughes Bros

[Figgy44]

Don't know where to begin and frankly I care wayyyyy too little to go into long arguments about this

1) Did you read my scenario? Because your post seems to have NOTHING to do with it

2) I don't know why people imagine all kind of things with these comparisons. It has to be EVERYTHING ELSE BEING EQUAL. So you incorporate Gretzkys on a team (made of replacement level players) equal as the other one and you incorporate the 3 Hughes on the other team being equal as the other. Hughes brothers win easily.

3) It's not you add Gretzky to the current Oilers vs you add the 3 Hughes to another random team. We are ONLY comparing the 3 Gretzky vs the 3 Hughes.



Funny cuz the "get real man" people are often the ones who CAN'T see the reality the most... First, not all beer leaguers are equal and most importantly, the 3 Hughes brothers are playing and overall they'd be so much better than the Gretzky brothers it's not even funny.



Oh yeah, I'm sure he'd do great vs 3 guys

Keep in mind the Hughes would also be in the 80's, or Gretzky in the 2020's

This thread is just blind fanatism. Who cares about reality lol Gretzky and 2 busts is just better than 3 elite guys

OK. So. You're saying I reject your reality and substitute my own.

 

[Jetcetera]

There's some wack jobs in this thread who legitimately think the hughes brothers are better than gretzky

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I still take Wayne.

Hide the brothers on the bench and give Wayne extra minutes. Hughes brothers can't compete with how dominant Gretzky was on a regular basis.

If you can just get rid of the brothers then even better.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Honestly? It’s not an individual sport.

Let’s say you have two blank slate teams of no-name players and everyone on the roster is the equivalent player of Calle Jankrok. The team that adds Quinn, Jack and Luke is going to beat the team that adds Wayne and two guys that are below replacement level. I have virtually no doubt.

That doesn’t mean the Hughes bros are “worth” more or … actually mean anything at all. But for the sake of this academic question, I am taking the trio of all stars because it is a team sport.

but it's not just a team of no name players. it's upwards of max cap adding the hughes bro's or gretzky. your taking a team like florida/vegas/colorado etc and adding the hughes bro's or gretzky to that. give me gretzky

 

[geebster]

Way I see it the Hughes Bros can easily cumulatively score 220+ points, Gretz can have a career year but his brothers are worse than replacement level.

It's cooler to have one guy putting up all the points but I'd rather have multiple, especially ones with known chemistry since injuries don't mess you up as much.

Production wise the 3 Hughes brothers would exceed Gretzky by at least a bit, and that's without factoring in that the Hughes brothers have eachother and Gretzky doesn't have Kurri or Messier or Coffey or anyone.

But of course it's crazy to say 2-3 elite players vs 1 guy. That's just an odd comparison especially when they didn't play the same era. Could Gretzky from the 80s be dropped into this league and be anywhere near as good as McDavid or Mackinnon or Kuch or Draisaitl etc? Wouldn't McDavid put up 200+ in the 80s simply by skating circles around everyone? Quinn Hughes in the 80s could've put up Bobby Orr type numbers himself. Comparisons between eras are dumb.

 

[Xspyrit]

There’s just no world where you are correct lol

Frankly, it doesn't surprise me much, some people these days have a really hard time understanding the gravitational reality we live in, like all these ***** driving while looking at their phones

OK. So. You're saying I reject your reality and substitute my own.

Nothing to do with this. I am not going to answer this poll question from a fantasy or salary cap standpoint. It's a pure comparison, 3 guys vs 3 guys.

Wayne is obviously better than Jack, but the difference is significantly LESS than Quinn + Luke vs the other Gretzky brothers...

Hockey is not basketball.

Jack Hughes seems to be a 100 pts player (1.21 PPG since 2022-23 when he was 21 y/o). Even if you think Gretzky would constantly put 150 pts in today's league (anyone who thinks he'd put 200+ pts is literally stupid), the gap is too big between the other comparative elements.

You understand how good Quinn Hughes is, right? The guy is going to finish really high in the all-time D-men ranking... He's already 136th in pts and only 25 y/o. Luke is just starting and is not too bad either, had 47 pts at 20 y/o.

Gretzky's brothers barely played in the NHL and even AHL.

Don't you see the gigantic difference? It seems you're not alone though, people think more from a virtual/internet standpoint than the pure cold reality that Wayne would be overwhelmed by the 3 Hughes and would constantly curse at his bros telling them how useless they are.

Way I see it the Hughes Bros can easily cumulatively score 220+ points, Gretz can have a career year but his brothers are worse than replacement level.

/thread

It's really not that complicated.

 

[Albatros]

Don't you see the gigantic difference? It seems you're not alone though, people think more from a virtual/internet standpoint than the pure cold reality that Wayne would be overwhelmed by the 3 Hughes and would constantly curse at his bros telling them how useless they are.

Why would Wayne play with his brothers to start with? You take him and send the other two in the minors, then you have the best player in the history of the game instead of three merely good players elevating your generic NHL team. That's basically how the Oilers dynasty was born.

 

[bobholly39]

Honestly? It’s not an individual sport.

Let’s say you have two blank slate teams of no-name players and everyone on the roster is the equivalent player of Calle Jankrok. The team that adds Quinn, Jack and Luke is going to beat the team that adds Wayne and two guys that are below replacement level. I have virtually no doubt.

That doesn’t mean the Hughes bros are “worth” more or … actually mean anything at all. But for the sake of this academic question, I am taking the trio of all stars because it is a team sport.

Two things.

1. Your scenario is unrealistic. There are no "two teams of no-name players and everyone is an equivalent player". Doesn't exist. How about a real world example instead? Consider any team you want. Vegas, Edmonton or some other top team? SJ or Chicago or some other bottom team? Some random team in between, or your own favorite team? Either way you slice it - you put Gretzky on such a team and it likely puts that team over the top as cup contender, and for many, many years.

Imaine Gretzky with Bedard & go in Chicago? Or with Celebrini and all that other talent in SJ? Or with Vegas's insane core, or with McDrai? Or - I believe you might be a Rangers fan - imagine adding him to Rangers, do you not think it fixes their issues and makes them #1 favorites in the East?

I definitely wouldn't pass up Gretzky, despite thinking the Hughes brothers are really good, obviouisly.

2. Even if we take your example literally, of random no names - I *still* prefer Gretzky in that scenario. In fact, I prefer Gretzky in that scenario a lot more then the first scenario.

Put the 3 Hughes brothers on that random no name team and....sorry, it's still a team that isn't good enough to contend. They'd become one of those teams with a few good players, but crappy team overall who spends years in bottom of standings.

Put Gretzky on that team? Two things happen. One - Gretzky more than any player in history has an ability to make his teammates better. I guarantee he turns a couple of those no-name NHL'ers into 50 goals/100 point players. And he helps improve their work ethic, and compete level, etc. Second thing is a bottom feeder team - even one with 3 Hughes brothers - usually will have a ton of troulbe attracting UFA's. But a team with a rookie Gretzky will have no problem attracting UFA's, who will want to play with him. Gives a bit of an advantage to building a team.

Big UFA names that are/were due in recent years include - Rantanen, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Matthews, McDavid just to name a few....I think a couple of them may consider holding out to join Gretzky.

Bottom line - you don't pass up Gretzky, ever, unless the other option includes someone like Orr or Lemieux.

 

[Xspyrit]

Why would Wayne play with his brothers to start with? You take him and send the other two in the minors, then you have the best player in the history of the game instead of three merely good players elevating your generic NHL team. That's basically how the Oilers dynasty was born.

What is said in the OP "Both don't count against your team's salary cap and you can trade them if you want." doesn't make much sense in relation to the thread title so I am going with that "Gretzky Bros Vs The Hughes Bros" title. To be honest, the confusion is probably coming once again from a very vague OP question.

So I am simply comparing 2 teams absolutely equal at 100% and if you ask me which trio I would incorporate between

1) Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes and Luke Hughes in the 80's

2) Wayne Gretzky, Brent Gretzky and Keith Gretzky

I take the Hughes 100 times out of 100 because it's about winning and not just have the best player.