Greatest 'Foreign' player ever who graced the NHL?

[Guttersniped]

KHL was his willing. If I remember correctly w/o KHL he would quit.

Even so, Jagr and Ovechkin’s missed production from lockouts cancel each other out.

Both could have potentially scored a lot in the lost 04-05 season and both had 48 GP seasons.

And just games lost from COVID isn’t enough to really matter much. They list a hypothetical-27 G for those.

 

[Felidae]

he spend 3 seasons in the khl and wasn't even a ppg player there, lol

Pretty sure he's joking.

Also "not even a PPG player"

he was top 10 in scoring in 2 of those 3 KHL seasons. The league wasn't that high scoring.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

Goalie and skater are such different things. Hasek obviously wins in the goalie category.

Skater it's really tough. Jagr and Ovi are two of my all-time favorite players. I give the nod to Ovi. He's going to end up the all-time leader in the most important stat category in hockey. He is still productive as he nears 40. Who knows what his final totals will be. Then there's the era adjustments, which make Ovi's numbers even more impressive. Throw in that Ovi will finish his career with over 3,500 hits. He was a wrecking ball in his prime. More of a complete player than Jagr.

Certainly just my opinion. I won't argue with anyone who says Jagr is the greatest. Watching him play was pure joy, and his life path has been legendary.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Id vote Lidstrom OV Hasek

 

[Caroline Says ll]

Id vote Lidstrom OV Hasek

Curious what you think pushes Lidstrom over Hasek?

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Jaromir Jagr. It's crazy he put up 1,921 points and he could have gone well past 2,000pts if he didn't leave for the KHL for 3 seasons. If you figure he would put up at least 70pts in each of those 3 seasons he left the KHL for, likely more if he was on better teams, probably finish around 2,150-2,250pts or so.

After Jagr, it'd be hard not to say Ovechkin.

He wouldn't have made it had he stayed

 

[Panthers Propaganda]

It’s Jakub Kindl AINEC

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Consistency

Curious what you think pushes Lidstrom over Hasek?

Consistency and never missing playoffs

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Salming.

Also Steve Thomas (born in Stockport, England)

 

[Senor Catface]

Imagine how many points Jagr would have if he didn't spend those 2 seasons in the Bolivian Hockey League.

I like the number of serious replies you got to this.

 

[Holkoun]

Agreed.
That's why Ovechkin is the answer to this thread.

Stop bs-itting. We already know you are ovechkin’s simp

 

[Holkoun]

I often wonder what Bure's career would have looked like if healthy.

He would be considered at the level of Jagr and definitely above Ovechkin.

 

[LuGBuG]

was

He would be considered at the level of Jagr and definitely above Ovechkin.

“Definitely” is a hilarious word to use considering he has more Goals then Bure has GP.

 

[Holkoun]

was


“Definitely” is a hilarious word to use considering he has more Goals then Bure has GP.

Have you seen him play?

 

[Section 104]

I probably go with Jagr. One thing I really remember was him playing in the KHL wearing the number “68” in honor of the Prague Spring of 1968. Then again my family went on vacation the day the Russians suppressed that and the car radio on 88o WCBS AM an all news station, they was they kept repeating over and over exclusively for our 5 hour drive.

And when I mentioned that to a friend, he noted that Tikhonov’s grandson was playing for the Phoenix Coyotes. Sometimes the world really does change.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

Consistency


Consistency and never missing playoffs

Well I put the playoff aspect more on team success, but even in that case I think Hasek's teams made the playoffs every year but one.

The consistency aspect I would say both players were two of the most consistent players of all time, with just how exceptional they were for their entire careers.

 

[LuGBuG]

Have you seen him play?

Both quite a bit actually but the word definitely is absolutely silly and bias and there is zero argument against that. There is no way you can “definitely” project him to be better. Use your noggin bud.

 

[Holkoun]

Mark my words as a fact;-)
Anyway GPG is better for bure…

 

[ESH]

Imagine how many points Jagr would have if he didn't spend those 2 seasons in the Bolivian Hockey League.

I’m pretty sure Jagr has spoken about how taking a break from the NHL helped him extend his career. I don’t think he would’ve lasted as long as he did without the break he took

 

[Randyne]

Stop bs-itting. We already know you are ovechkin’s simp

It's fact PPG 3v3; GPG 8v1, you can't change it no matter how much you mad about it.
Even with Lemieux' help it's not close.

 

[shello]

Jaromir Jagr. It's crazy he put up 1,921 points and he could have gone well past 2,000pts if he didn't leave for the KHL for 3 seasons. If you figure he would put up at least 70pts in each of those 3 seasons he left the KHL for, likely more if he was on better teams, probably finish around 2,150-2,250pts or so.

After Jagr, it'd be hard not to say Ovechkin.

Pretty sure Jagr credits going to the KHL for his longest

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Ovechkin AINEC
BTW Ovechkin has the same number of top PPGs as Jagr (and 8 vs 1 top GPG)

trends.google.com since 2004
Red is Ovechkin, blue is Jagr. The rest left behind by a mile.

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Looks like the people of India, Bolivia, Poland and Saudi Arabia are living in the past.

 

[MXD]

I think it's Hasek by a non-negligible margin.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

The guy who I thought for a very long time was the first - the great Anders Börje Salming.

This is an under rated but excellent take.

 

[Caroline Says ll]

I think it's Hasek by a non-negligible margin.

The argument is there. I don't think other than Gretzky and Lemieux that you can find a longer stretch where a player dominated like Hasek did from 93 to 2001. That is 8 years with 6 Vezinas and 2 Harts. Even if you look at 96 where Jim Carey won the Vezinas with a .906 % , Hasek once again lead the league with a .920%. In that same time span other than his two Hart trophies, he was the runner up 1 time and a finalist twice for the MVP - including the one season which was his statistical greatest where he finishes with a .937%, .12 points higher than the next closest goalie.

To pile on although this might not be in consideration for this discussion, but finally in the first NHL attended Olympics Hasek backstops Czech to a gold medal.

So I have convinced myself that no other player other than Gretzky and Lemieux were as dominant in their prime than Hasek was.