Goodrow's defensive skills - advanced stats
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Czesc
It’s not always in the stats. Every shift for every player is different - does Goodrow SEEM like a good defensive player to you? Did you feel he helped us when he returned last night?
Stats are a nice when they backup what you see. But when I see a player making good defensive plays and contributing, I don’t really care as much if the stats don’t bare that out. The games aren’t played on computers.
I think Goodie makes us stronger defensively. There are so many ways that can manifest that I can’t imagine statistics being able to show it. Is it keeping the puck in the other end? Is it getting it out of your end quickly? Is it disrupting plays and never letting them establish a cycle? Maybe you yield shots against but they’re all well contained/from the outside. I have no idea. I also don’t think he’s a Selke candidate or anything like that. I just think he’s a solid, good guy to have in your bottom six and that’s how I feel when I watch him play.
It’s not always in the stats. Every shift for every player is different - does Goodrow SEEM like a good defensive player to you? Did you feel he helped us when he returned last night?
Stats are a nice when they backup what you see. But when I see a player making good defensive plays and contributing, I don’t really care as much if the stats don’t bare that out. The games aren’t played on computers.
I think Goodie makes us stronger defensively. There are so many ways that can manifest that I can’t imagine statistics being able to show it. Is it keeping the puck in the other end? Is it getting it out of your end quickly? Is it disrupting plays and never letting them establish a cycle? Maybe you yield shots against but they’re all well contained/from the outside. I have no idea. I also don’t think he’s a Selke candidate or anything like that. I just think he’s a solid, good guy to have in your bottom six and that’s how I feel when I watch him play.
Michal
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Thank you (dziekuje 
) for your answer. I agree with you and I can see bravery and leadership he provides to our team. However if anybody is able to point any specific advanced stats which confirm he has been good defensively this season, please do not hesitate to do that. I hope I'll know more about both Goodrow and advanced stats thanks to this thread
) for your answer. I agree with you and I can see bravery and leadership he provides to our team. However if anybody is able to point any specific advanced stats which confirm he has been good defensively this season, please do not hesitate to do that. I hope I'll know more about both Goodrow and advanced stats thanks to this thread 
NickyFotiu
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I liked how messy he was making faceoffs. Its not that he was winning them. Its that he wasn't allowing Carolina to win them cleanly.
Fitzy
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It isn't you that is wrong.
It's the metrics so beloved by twitter and fans under the age of 30 that are wrong.
They think they have the sport completely figured out. The hubris of youth.
RagFinMet
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Like we found out with Lindgren, Goodrow is a PO beast.
He was brought in for his PO performances
His defense is good but his best attributes are his grit, tenacity and versatility
Exactly what we needed going into this season. He can pop in a goal here and there as well.
He was brought in for his PO performances
His defense is good but his best attributes are his grit, tenacity and versatility
Exactly what we needed going into this season. He can pop in a goal here and there as well.
Inferno
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Goodrow does a lot of the little things that are really hard to quantify. Like relieving extended pressure by selling out, like eating a face full of boards to hold a puck in the offensive zone to let his linemates change.
He's a good player.
He's a good player.
haohmaru
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This is why he cost as much as he did. Hopefully we win game 7 and he gets back to being healthy. He's a force in the playoffs.
As a Tampa fan, this question is laughable. If we happen to play each other in the next round, it will be disappointing to not have Goodrow on our side. He does all of the little things necessary in the playoffs to win. He is a playoff beauty. Stop looking at advanced stats and actually watch the games.
Weird timing for this thread. Very weird.
Michal
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You didn't understand. I aksed people who are proficient in advanced stats, not you. And I didn't ask for advice what to do.
Michal
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Michal
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One thing you have to account for is that he takes two-thirds of his face offs in the defensive zone. That's obviously going to lead to more shots and chances against (and worse advanced stats) even if he is playing well.
Another thing is that my impression is that he gets a lot of tough matchups. Having 45% of the chances when you are playing against a Bergeron or a Crosby line is different than having 45% of the chances playing against Miles Wood.
If you account for those two things, I think you could make a pretty good case that he is a meaningfully better player than the high level advanced stats would indicate.
Another thing is that my impression is that he gets a lot of tough matchups. Having 45% of the chances when you are playing against a Bergeron or a Crosby line is different than having 45% of the chances playing against Miles Wood.
If you account for those two things, I think you could make a pretty good case that he is a meaningfully better player than the high level advanced stats would indicate.
Michal
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Goodrow probably has played very often against best opponents lines, which could be some explanation. But still I hope someone with analytic skills will provide interesting point of view.
Nevertheless I agree stats don't show everything. But I just want to know and understand better what they show
Nevertheless I agree stats don't show everything. But I just want to know and understand better what they show
Inferno
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Michal
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His defensive stats are nowhere close to worst in the league. In fact, they are slightly above average.
387 forwards with at least 500 mins.
CA60: 171/387
SA60: 93/387
GA60: 77/387
xGA60: 162/387
If you want relative stats, in the same categories, he ranks 155, 104, 175, 108.
Above average at every single one.
Michal
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It's very similar I'm afraid (RelTM GA/60, RelTM SA/60, RelTM xGA/60). However I have to admit I'm not an expert. I hope some analytic ninja will explain some stats to me
NickyFotiu
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NickyFotiu
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SlingshotVv
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If stats are telling you that Goodrow’s shifts aren’t heavy on the opponents, that he isn’t responsible picking up his man on the back check, and that he isn’t quick to the puck to create 50/50 plays, helping the line forecheck…. Then you need to adjust how much you weigh those stats.
Michal
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I agree stats don't show everything. But I just want to know and understand better what they show.
