hockeytown9321
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hockeytown9321 said:
jpsharkfan said:IMO regardless of which side you support it is hard to argue that the NHL does a much better job with their press releases/press conferences than the NHLPA. The NHLPA might want to consider spending a little of their war chest on a top notch speech writer and image consultant.
Castor Troy said:Exactly. IMO the NHL is saying all the right things, and is playing the NHLPA's cards before the NHLPA can do so. After watching all of Bettman's conference, and this is coming from a guy who absolutely despises Gary Bettman, I'm a lot more convinced that the owners know what they are doing. For right or wrong, they seem to be at the stage where they admit mistakes and are looking to the future. The NHLPA, however, has yet to give me that impression. They refuse to deal with the details of this dispute and instead sit there and regurgitate their "no salary cap" ideal over and over.
The NHL has continually addressed in the media and to the fans exactly what their views are and then they showed us the numbers and figures to back it up. Whether you believe the numbers or not is another thing, but I ask where are the players numbers to refute these claims? I haven't seen one verifiable claim coming out of the players. Instead, they have simply said that they want a free market, which means no salary cap. Again, I'm not trying to argue which side is in the right, I'm just saying from where I sit, the NHL has done a MUCH better job of presenting their position.
Castor Troy said:Exactly. IMO the NHL is saying all the right things, and is playing the NHLPA's cards before the NHLPA can do so. After watching all of Bettman's conference, and this is coming from a guy who absolutely despises Gary Bettman, I'm a lot more convinced that the owners know what they are doing. For right or wrong, they seem to be at the stage where they admit mistakes and are looking to the future. The NHLPA, however, has yet to give me that impression. They refuse to deal with the details of this dispute and instead sit there and regurgitate their "no salary cap" ideal over and over.
The NHL has continually addressed in the media and to the fans exactly what their views are and then they showed us the numbers and figures to back it up. Whether you believe the numbers or not is another thing, but I ask where are the players numbers to refute these claims? I haven't seen one verifiable claim coming out of the players. Instead, they have simply said that they want a free market, which means no salary cap. Again, I'm not trying to argue which side is in the right, I'm just saying from where I sit, the NHL has done a MUCH better job of presenting their position.
triggrman said:nhlpa's presser on the net anywhere?
Licentia said:I think the NHLPA could have the best PR available and they still wouldn't have much support. Fans are sick of paying players millions of dollars, and rightfully so. Fans work hard for their money, and they have to spend too much of it to see a hockey game, only to be helping some guy live the easy life. I swear, if I was a player, I would sign for $3 million and give $2 million back to the team to help reduce ticket prices. The fans would love me forever. The fans are what it's all about anyway.
Licentia said:As said by Goodenow: An honest partnership can never be achieved under the League's 'my way or the highway' approach. Partnerships are built on respect, trust and willingness to compromise. Partnerships are not built through confrontation. Nonetheless, Gary and the Owners have chosen, through a lockout, to try to force Players to accept a system they know Players would never agree to.
X8oD said:what a lame statement.
Its 1-0 Bettman right now. Bettman released statements and quotes, Goodenow didnt even refute ANY of the comments bettman made, and instead just repeated earlier statements [ironically which is what the NHL accuses the NHLPA of doing with its 2 proposals].
Bettman gets an almost nationally televised Presser, Goddenow releases a rehashed statement on its website....... geesh
hockeytown9321 said:So when payrolls go down under a cap, ticket prices will too, right?
You have the impression the league is trying to get a cap for this noble competitive balance purpose(which is a faulty purpose anyway). They could care less about you or me. Mike Ilitch could care less if Edmonton ever wins another game. Edmonton's owner could care less if Detroit ever wins another game. Its about maximizing profits, nothing more.
go kim johnsson said:How is it 1-0 Bettman? If you're talking about alienating the neogeotiating process and making absolutely no concessions whatsoever and telling the NHLPA to screw off, then I guess it is 1-0 Bettman in the eyes of the people that are brainwashed by the NHL's propaganda that "oh we're poor, we need a salary cap.
Wrong.
The owners think they need a salary cap because some teams can't keep their spending on player contracts under control and need the players to bail them out of their own mistakes. So if this is 'Bettman-1' then the NHLPA has a healthy lead.
hockeytown9321 said:So when payrolls go down under a cap, ticket prices will too, right?
You have the impression the league is trying to get a cap for this noble competitive balance purpose(which is a faulty purpose anyway). They could care less about you or me. Mike Ilitch could care less if Edmonton ever wins another game. Edmonton's owner could care less if Detroit ever wins another game. Its about maximizing profits, nothing more.
oh yes.. and the players made HUGE concessions.go kim johnsson said:How is it 1-0 Bettman? If you're talking about alienating the neogeotiating process and making absolutely no concessions whatsoever and telling the NHLPA to screw off, then I guess it is 1-0 Bettman in the eyes of the people that are brainwashed by the NHL's propaganda that "oh we're poor, we need a salary cap.
Wrong.
The owners think they need a salary cap because some teams can't keep their spending on player contracts under control and need the players to bail them out of their own mistakes. So if this is 'Bettman-1' then the NHLPA has a healthy lead.
ArtG said:oh yes.. and the players made HUGE concessions.
The NHL isn't the one having to make concessions here, you forget that the players are fine and dandy with the NHL and the way it is right now. It's the owners that want the players to concede and the players have not been willing to do so. The NHL is not claiming that it is poor -- they're saying that they lose $300million year, that's not healthy for any business. This is not propaganda. Did you not read the Levitt report?
As for the cap, it's not only to stop the owners from making stupid signings as you say but also to put teams like Vancouver and Colorado on a level playin field. The Canadian dollar comes into play here as well. Even if Vancouver manages its money correctly and has a $45 million payroll, Colorado can easily afford 60-70 million. Meanwhile some teams can barely scrape up $20 million...
jpsharkfan said:I won't even insist on $1.3 million, they can pay me $1.1 million, I won't ask the NHL to apologize; in fact I will thank them all the way to the bank . All us "normal people would feel like we won the lottery if we could earn anywhere near $1 mil a year.