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HF Habs: Goldenhands top 31 for the upcoming draft (Final list)

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HuGo Burner Acc said:
For me, the problem with Jiricek (pre injury) was his skating. You can sugar coat it all you want but he doesn't have a good stride, is mechanically weak and choppy, his speed is very average, and then you have to consider what the knee injury might have done to him. But let's just say, there's no problem with his recovery. The problem with his skating is still at the forefront. Seeing that HuGo has stressed skating, I don't think he's the guy for them
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That's the weakness, for sure, but technique can be refined. Gorton/Hughes seem to value skills and I believe they'll support the players we obtain from now on accordingly. Tbh I'd be happy with Nemec too, he's got the more cerebral game I appreciate. But Jiricek's athletic and offensive gifts are very exciting. We need a general on the PP, and even though Guhle is gonna be a solid top-pairing defenseman in my opinion, he's not that.

However, I doubt we draft later than 2. Just a feeling of course. But whatever happens, I've made my mind : wherever we pick between 1 and 4, I have no doubt we'll get a bluechip prospect. I'd be thrilled to get any of : Wright, Cooley, Jiricek, Nemec, Slafkovsky, Nazar with our earliest selection.
 
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HuGo Burner Acc said:
For me, the problem with Jiricek (pre injury) was his skating. You can sugar coat it all you want but he doesn't have a good stride, is mechanically weak and choppy, his speed is very average, and then you have to consider what the knee injury might have done to him. But let's just say, there's no problem with his recovery. The problem with his skating is still at the forefront. Seeing that HuGo has stressed skating, I don't think he's the guy for them
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This is just straight up false. His stride may not be perfect but his skating and mobility is absolutely a strength.
 
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Jack Skellington said:
This is just straight up false. His stride may not be perfect but his skating and mobility is absolutely a strength.
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No it isn't. Sure he's mobile but his skating is not a strength. THAT is just straight up false. I never said his skating was bad (not that you said I did), I just don't think it's elite. And I don't think it ever will be. He skates decently but name me one elite defenseman in the new generation who's skating isn't elite. It's pretty much a prerequisite.
 
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HuGo Burner Acc said:
For me, the problem with Jiricek (pre injury) was his skating. You can sugar coat it all you want but he doesn't have a good stride, is mechanically weak and choppy, his speed is very average, and then you have to consider what the knee injury might have done to him. But let's just say, there's no problem with his recovery. The problem with his skating is still at the forefront. Seeing that HuGo has stressed skating, I don't think he's the guy for them
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So if his mechanics are corrected, he'll be that much better right.....OMG, I want Jiricek so badly, but not at 1, at 2 or 3

If this happens, I'll probably end up pulling my back from fist pumping so much
 
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jaffy27 said:
So if his mechanics are corrected, he'll be that much better right.....OMG, I want Jiricek so badly, but not at 1, at 2 or 3

If this happens, I'll probably end up pulling my back from fist pumping so much
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And that's fine. I also think Habs should take either jiricek or Nemec at 3. Personally I prefer Nemec, other Jiricek, but I have them ranked 3rd and 4th so it's not a big deal for me. But people saying jiricek should go no.1 are absolutely bonkers. Part of the reason I have jiricek ranked below Nemec is because I don't think he'll be close to the skater Nemec is. Even if he does improve, he probably will never be elite and that's a prerequite for being an elite D in today's NHL
 
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Adam Michaels said:
@Goldenhands

I am surprised you have Wright at 10th. I was expecting you to have him in the 2nd round. :sarcasm:
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I was seriously considering Neuchev over him, but decided to play safe on this one,,, :laugh:
WinterLion said:
I Love this list. It's clear that you have watched these players and you also know what you like. Everyone always laughs at Button and Woodlief but the fact is that a list like this is a lot closer to what a scout in an organization will have. Great stuff. Really fun read.

What's become more and more clear is that this is a deep draft and the top of it is becoming more and more murky. I'm curious how close the gaps are in your projections? Would you be inclined to trade down or do you think Jiricek is just that good?

Thanks for sharing this!
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I would think about trading down only if we draft 3 OV and that Jiricek and Slafkovsky are gone. Then I would target Mintyukov, Kemell, Yurov, Cooley, with the Columbus pick, all very good talents,
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Toene said:
I don't really think you made this list with a contrarian set of mind but holy hell is it out there. I personally don't agree with a lot of choices (even though I think Jiricek is the best D in the draft) but I respect your take.

I remember @Mrb1p saying something along the lines of : I prefer to get things wrong with my own evaluation and gut than to sit on the fence and parrot the experts' opinion. Dude was telling us Josh Brook would be a top pairing defenseman for a long time and it seems he was mistaken but he had reasons to back up this claim and I'm sure he wouldn't do anything different.
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Got damn close too, if it wasnt for the multiple injuries >.>

In my mind Josh is a star.
 
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calder candidate said:
@Goldenhands Have you done the same excercise in previous years That would be interesting see past results.
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Nope, first and last one, too demanding. My armchair scouting career is over. I dont plan to watch much junior hockey in the upcoming years, will stick on watching our own prospects once in a while.
 
Thanks for the list, it always takes a lot of time and effort to put something like that together. Some interesting choices for sure.

I have been a big proponent of Jiricek from the beginning, so I'd have no issue if he was the Habs pick. I think a top pairing of him and Guhle down the road would be pretty terrific.
 
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But in all seriousness, I appreciate all the work you put into this. It's always nice to see somebody go with their own opinion as opposed to following the consensus. Time will tell if you were right or not.
 
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Diverse opinions helps a lot brainstorming wise, to counter the inevitable stagnancy of ideas when mostly everyone thinks about the same.

But just like when I read Steve Kournianos or Simon Boisvert rankings, I read for the content, not because I think those rankings will be anything near reality.

Entertaining, nonetheless, and I thank you for that.
 
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If you hit with this ranking....and I am not even kidding.....this 100 percent needs to be forwarded to every single NHL team, and you need to be hired on the spot. Like seriously.....think about it. A consensus of NHL scouts have a ranking that is so different than yours, and you somehow get it all right.

I appreciate the boldness here, but it is either bold mixed with clear hockey sense, or some idiocy on a whole new level. I'm rooting for you to be right though....it would be hilarious and somewhat validating for every single one of us diehard fans on HFhabs to have one of our own be hockey smart on a mensa level.
 
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hardcorehabs said:
Does this poster have any scouting background? This is not threadworthy, or is every poster allowed to put together a bullshit clickbait mock list and call it a thread.

Cooley at 7, Wright at 10. Absolute joke of a list lol
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I think the poster's old username was @GrantMcCagg
 
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For some contrast - here's my top 90 (I posted my 120 in the draft thread)
  1. Logan Cooley
  2. Shane Wright
  3. David Jiricek
  4. Juraj Slafkovsky
  5. Simon Nemec
  6. Frank Nazar
  7. Matthew Savoie
  8. Pavel Mintyukov
  9. Joakim Kemell
  10. Cutter Gauthier
  11. Danila Yurov
  12. Brad Lambert
  13. Connor Geekie
  14. Noah Ostlund
  15. Jiri Kulich
  16. Denton Mateychuk
  17. Kevin Korchinski
  18. Filip Mesar
  19. Jonathan Lekkerimakki
  20. Jagger Firkus
  21. Sam Rinzel
  22. Ryan Chesley
  23. Gleb Trikozov
  24. Marco Kasper
  25. Isaac Howard
  26. Adam Ingram
  27. Viktor Neuchev
  28. Jani Nyman
  29. Ivan Mironeschenko
  30. Calle Odelius
  31. Alexander Perevalov
  32. Mats Lindgren
  33. Kirill Dolzhenkov
  34. Liam Ohgren
  35. Owen Pickering
  36. Danny Zhilkin
  37. Ludvig Jansson
  38. Vladimir Grudinin
  39. Ludwig Persson
  40. Seamus Casey
  41. Rutger McGroarty
  42. Filip Bystedt
  43. Tristan Luneau
  44. Reid Schaefer
  45. Mattias Havelid
  46. Luca Del Bel Belluz
  47. Michael Fisher
  48. Aleksanteri Kaskimaki
  49. Cam Lund
  50. Ryan Greene
  51. Alexander Suzdalev
  52. Dmitri Buchelnikov
  53. Rieger Lorenz
  54. Lian Bichsel
  55. Tyler Brennan
  56. Nathan Gaucher
  57. Jordan Dumais
  58. Lane Hutson
  59. Jimmy Snuggerud
  60. Raul Yakupov
  61. Jack Hughes
  62. Owen Beck
  63. Servac Petrovsky
  64. Martin Johnsen
  65. Artyom Duda
  66. Isaiah George
  67. Elias Salomonsson
  68. Kasper Kulonummi
  69. Simon Forsmark
  70. Julian Lutz
  71. Tomas Hamara
  72. Matyas Sapovaliv
  73. Ilya Kvochko
  74. David Goyette
  75. Matthew Poitras
  76. Christian Kyrou
  77. Ty Nelson
  78. Owen Van Steensel
  79. Kocha Delic
  80. Nicholas Moldenhauer
  81. Fraser Minten
  82. Otto Salin
  83. Kirill Kudryavtsev
  84. Topi Ronni
  85. Matthew Seminoff
  86. Fabian Wagner
  87. Quinn Finley
  88. Jake Richard
  89. Topias Leinonen
  90. Ruslan Gazizov
 
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