Goalie situation, summer 2022

[Guadana]

Yeah, he's been solid for 3 years, but didn't play a whole lot last year due to injury and shortened season.

I'm still a little hesitant on him cause the contract length.

I think if he had 2 years left I'd be into it.

I'd actually rather Lehner's last 2 years, barring they know what's wrong with him and it's nothing really long term.

He is 28 yo. He was pretty good full of his career in NHL overall. Even if we give 1 year to Campbell, he will be older goalie for us than Ullmark in full length of his deal. I'm exaggerating a little.

Im absolutely want Ullmark. I just can’t believe Boston will trade him. Swayman sign for one more year and he is on entry level deal. They have no motivation to rush him.they will split them both. Only if we will offer them something big. But I’m against big offers.

The only man I could offer big compensation is Knight. And I would only think about that for the beginning.

So I would just close this “Ullmark” conversation because I don’t believe Ullmark is available.

 

[Devils090]

Improving our defensive zone play is more important to me. No goalie is having success here with the garbage effort we give in our own zone. Let Blackwood start the year and get a vet who’s hip won’t explode or decide to pull a Crawford. I still think Blackwood can be a starter here, need our blue liners to be better in front of him.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Improving our defensive zone play is more important to me. No goalie is having success here with the garbage effort we give in our own zone. Let Blackwood start the year and get a vet who’s hip won’t explode or decide to pull a Crawford. I still think Blackwood can be a starter here, need our blue liners to be better in front of him.

While our defence wasn’t perfect it was way better than our goaltending was this season. Like significantly better and our goaltending made it look a lot worse than it was.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Campbell and Husso are obviously the two best UFA options. I'm not a huge Keumper fan and doubt that COL will let him walk, but if he does it would certainly be better than nothing.

On the trade market, I think some teams have buyers remorse. Boston just gave a big deal to Ullmark, but seem to prefer Swayman. LA is apparently not thrilled with the deal they just gave Cal Peterson. Seattle seems like they're tying their wagon to Grubauer, so Dreidger might be available.

Those guys all have a NTC/NMC, but I think with goalies it's a little easier to get them to waive if they know they've been supplanted and have a chance to be a starter somewhere else.

 

[Bleedred]

Campbell and Husso are obviously the two best UFA options. I'm not a huge Keumper fan and doubt that COL will let him walk, but if he does it would certainly be better than nothing.

On the trade market, I think some teams have buyers remorse. Boston just gave a big deal to Ullmark, but seem to prefer Swayman. LA is apparently not thrilled with the deal they just gave Cal Peterson. Seattle seems like they're tying their wagon to Grubauer, so Dreidger might be available.

Those guys all have a NTC/NMC, but I think with goalies it's a little easier to get them to waive if they know they've been supplanted and have a chance to be a starter somewhere else.

I really believe Driedger is merely an AHL goaltender that had two fluky seasons in Florida as their backup.

 

[Billdo]

It’s a fun ufa year.
Kuemper is old and injury prone
Campbell is 30 yo and play 150 nhl game. Will get big paycheck and could turn into the pumpkin outside of big club.
Husso is unproven
Wedgewood is wedgewood.
Fleury isn’t for the devils.
Halak is finally oldman.
Comrie and Desmith are backups and could turn into the pumpkin, when will play with Smith and Sevs.
Holtby is injury prone pumpkin.
Other than that are not a better options than Gilles and Hammond.

I dont see any safe or any best option.

Literally any of them is a better option than Gillies and Hammond. I'd rather sign Ken Appleby or Gilles Senn before I ever have to see Hammond or Gillies again.

 

[youryeah]

I really don't envy fitz this summer. at first (and second) glance, there's no "slam dunk" option out there.

these guys are either a) getting up there in age b) history of injury c) track record not long enough

I'm thinking the best bet is probably jack campbell but who tf knows. ullmark would be interesting depending on the cost

 

[Bleedred]

I really don't envy fitz this summer. at first (and second) glance, there's no "slam dunk" option out there.

these guys are either a) getting up there in age b) history of injury c) track record not long enough

I'm thinking the best bet is probably jack campbell but who tf knows. ullmark would be interesting depending on the cost

If there's a team that BADLY needs to make two acquisitions this offseason it's us.

I don't wanna hear ''Oh, Blackwood, he's gonna bounce back''. If he has one more BAD year, he ain't even gonna be here in 2023, we won't re-sign him because he ain't gonna be worth his qualifying offer. And what if he has a good year? What do we do then? Sign him to another 3 year deal because he had one good year? Or just sign him to a one year deal that brings him right to unrestricted free agency? That would make a ton more sense, but if he has another good year to follow up, then his next deal could blow up even more. I also think Lindy Ruff has a boner for him the same way Pete DeBoer did for Marty and Martin Jones in San Jose, which ultimately got him fired and they stopped giving starts to Jones after Pete got fired. Ruff knows Gillies sucks, Ruff knew Hammond sucked, Ruff probably knew Daws wasn't good enough, but knew he was better than Gillies and Hammond (which he was). I'm not sure he knows Blackwood sucked? I think if we got a LEGIT starter, he would not rely on Blackwood so much, but one of these other borderline guys? I think if they struggle for a stretch he'll go with Blackwood.

A lot of the names in this thread are fine names if you have another goalie (like not one that couldn't stay on the ice the last 2 years and didn't play even close to acceptable when he was on the ice) in front of them, but Blackwood is not a safe enough goalie to be in a tandem with a lot of those names.

I would go as far as to say if Bernier didn't even have the hip injury, let's say it didn't happen, I still wouldn't even trust him to be good enough to split time or be a starter or whatever to Blackwood.

I know, I know, ''We're not bringing in two goalies'', but it's happened before. The Panthers in 2019 were the most recent team to do it, but maybe there was one even more recent I can't think of? Luongo retired and they signed Bobrovsky and I think they had to pay Carolina to take Reimer because his salary was so much. But they only did that because having Bob and Reimer was gonna be way too much cap hit for goalies. I think Buffalo and Arizona did it, but they brought in guys that were either old (Hutton, Anderson) or just meaningless like Dell and Vejmelka.

 

[LeedsMonster]

Trade one of our extra 4ths to Washington for Samsonov

 

[Bleedred]

Trade one of our extra 4ths to Washington for Samsonov

He's EXACTLY what we need

Another BAD goalie that hasn't even been as good in his career as Blackwood has. That's really what need.

You would think he was among our list of CLOWNS this year when you saw his .896%. I'm sure he'll fit in well.

He SUCKS.

 

[Bleedred]

I know he's not a legit option and @Billdo has brought him up several times jokingly, but Holtby is probably done.

I could see him retiring. Hard to believe he's not even 33 years old yet, but with his injury shortened season and declining play for really the last 5 years now, I think he might call it a career.

His career wasn't super long, but it was pretty successful, probably about as successful of a career as you can have before you're 30 years old, outside of guys that are in the HOF, but I think he's probably close to hanging them up.

Kind of weird that the generation of goalies that were the best in the game just 5-6 years ago are either done or potentially done. Rask, Price (said he could be done if his knee doesn't improve), Schneider, Holtby.

I'm not gonna count Lundqvist among that group, as he's a little bit older than all of them and not someone you expect to still be around, although it is VERY weird that Mike Smith and Craig Anderson both played in the NHL after he did.

Even Bobrovsky and Quick had some decline years (about 3 in a row for Quick and 2 for Bobrovsky) before having a bounce renaissance this season.

 

[Guadana]

Guys from sdpn says that Campbell asking 7ml.

 

[HischierSeDgewOrk]

Frazee, Damphousse, Parise or Ahonen

 

[FooteBahl]

If there's a team that BADLY needs to make two acquisitions this offseason it's us.

I don't wanna hear ''Oh, Blackwood, he's gonna bounce back''. If he has one more BAD year, he ain't even gonna be here in 2023, we won't re-sign him because he ain't gonna be worth his qualifying offer. And what if he has a good year? What do we do then? Sign him to another 3 year deal because he had one good year? Or just sign him to a one year deal that brings him right to unrestricted free agency? That would make a ton more sense, but if he has another good year to follow up, then his next deal could blow up even more. I also think Lindy Ruff has a boner for him the same way Pete DeBoer did for Marty and Martin Jones in San Jose, which ultimately got him fired and they stopped giving starts to Jones after Pete got fired. Ruff knows Gillies sucks, Ruff knew Hammond sucked, Ruff probably knew Daws wasn't good enough, but knew he was better than Gillies and Hammond (which he was). I'm not sure he knows Blackwood sucked? I think if we got a LEGIT starter, he would not rely on Blackwood so much, but one of these other borderline guys? I think if they struggle for a stretch he'll go with Blackwood.

A lot of the names in this thread are fine names if you have another goalie (like not one that couldn't stay on the ice the last 2 years and didn't play even close to acceptable when he was on the ice) in front of them, but Blackwood is not a safe enough goalie to be in a tandem with a lot of those names.

I would go as far as to say if Bernier didn't even have the hip injury, let's say it didn't happen, I still wouldn't even trust him to be good enough to split time or be a starter or whatever to Blackwood.

I know, I know, ''We're not bringing in two goalies'', but it's happened before. The Panthers in 2019 were the most recent team to do it, but maybe there was one even more recent I can't think of? Luongo retired and they signed Bobrovsky and I think they had to pay Carolina to take Reimer because his salary was so much. But they only did that because having Bob and Reimer was gonna be way too much cap hit for goalies. I think Buffalo and Arizona did it, but they brought in guys that were either old (Hutton, Anderson) or just meaningless like Dell and Vejmelka.

Campbell/Husso and Nichuskin…cup.jpeg

 

[glenwo2]

Guys from sdpn says that Campbell asking 7ml.

How about...

 

[Normal Devil]

How about...

Asking and getting are two different things.

 

[glenwo2]

Asking and getting are two different things.

Which is why I'm saying Hell no because I feel that would be the response to that.

 

[Guadana]

There are more buyers than sellers. Campbell could take much.

Now I think Bleedred's Lehner is a best option in terms of price/years/level of goalie/health. Im not a fan but I don't see better option. No way I would invest in guys like Kuemper, who will spend 2.5 years of his new 4 years deal on the hospital bed.
And Lerner trade is more real thing than Ullmark's one.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I know, I know, ''We're not bringing in two goalies'', but it's happened before. The Panthers in 2019 were the most recent team to do it, but maybe there was one even more recent I can't think of? Luongo retired and they signed Bobrovsky and I think they had to pay Carolina to take Reimer because his salary was so much. But they only did that because having Bob and Reimer was gonna be way too much cap hit for goalies. I think Buffalo and Arizona did it, but they brought in guys that were either old (Hutton, Anderson) or just meaningless like Dell and Vejmelka.

Carolina just did it with Andersen and Raanta, after shipping out Ned and everyone killed them for it. They had top 5 goaltending last year.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I don't trust Lehner, he got handed the starting job this year finally and it did not go well, he supposedly showed up over 300 lbs in camp and sparred with his coach bizarrely at the end. There's also mental health issues which are hard to talk about sensitively but he's bounced around for a reason and he'd be made available for a reason.

Of course everyone is available because they are flawed somewhat, but I prefer the 3 UFA options.

 

[Eggtimer]

Logan Thompson? Depends on what Lehner situation is and how bad the Knights need to move money. Maybe take a bad contract but thye include him ? I dont know. I feel he is going to be a very good goalie.

 

[RangerDoggo]

I don't trust Lehner, he got handed the starting job this year finally and it did not go well, he supposedly showed up over 300 lbs in camp and sparred with his coach bizarrely at the end. There's also mental health issues which are hard to talk about sensitively but he's bounced around for a reason and he'd be made available for a reason.

Of course everyone is available because they are flawed somewhat, but I prefer the 3 UFA options.

I don't know where Lehner's bipolar disorder ends and the fact that he's extremely online begins. But that's not my issue here, it's that he's banged up.

If the Caps make Vanecek available, go for him. If they want to get rid of Samsonov I want no part of him. Campbell should be a target at the right price.

Again, I say- no olds.

Logan Thompson? Depends on what Lehner situation is and how bad the Knights need to move money. Maybe take a bad contract but thye include him ? I dont know. I feel he is going to be a very good goalie.

Lehner's the one making the money, not Thompson.

 

[Eggtimer]

I don't know where Lehner's bipolar disorder ends and the fact that he's extremely online begins. But that's not my issue here, it's that he's banged up.

If the Caps make Vanecek available, go for him. If they want to get rid of Samsonov I want no part of him. Campbell should be a target at the right price.

Again, I say- no olds.


Lehner's the one making the money, not Thompson.

Yes, I was thinking more of attaching him along with a cap dump to entice a team to take the contract.

 

[RangerDoggo]

Yes, I was thinking more of attaching him along with a cap dump to entice a team to take the contract.

Ah, gotcha. If they can swing Thompson for something I'd be down for that, but I highly doubt they will.

 

[Eggtimer]

Ah, gotcha. If they can swing Thompson for something I'd be down for that, but I highly doubt they will.

Yes i doubt it as well , just thought it might be a very small possibility