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GMs To Get The Post-Season Axe

Beukeboom Fan said:
So everything good that happened was lucky and successfully putting together a team with $12+M in cap penalties from contracts that go back to when he was an impact player in the NHL and have the team be able to overcame major injuries to key players and still make the playoffs, but he should be on the hotseat. I guess he didn't cure cancer yet, or make peace in the Middle East.

Seriously, compare BGs performance to guys like Drury or Lou and tell me he deserves to be taking heat.
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He should not be taking as much heat as Drury or Lou. I would not fire him this summer. But he should be feeling the pressure of having five years with some pretty talented players and not winning a single playoff series
 
SensontheRush said:
They are all, for the most part, all players that could be regular contributors on your roster EIGHT years out.

Fair point that it was Holland that moved on from Jensen though

And if that's now how you want to view them, fine, but they are all valuable trade chips that were moveable for high picks and blue chip prospects. They are effectively an extension of the prospect pool.

So, I reiterate that it's disingenuous that Yzerman had nothing to work with. Yes, the prospect pool was barren, but you 100% had the pieces already in place to have pivoted in half the time that has elapsed.
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But Yzerman did move them for high picks. Nobody was trading blue chip prospects though. Nor should other teams do that.

Mantha was traded for another unwanted in Vrana. Yzerman got plenty for Bertuzzi and Hronek when you consider he was only ever trading them for picks and not other similar players. Those were good moves for high picks.

Nyquist was traded by Holland. Same as Jensen.
 
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GMR said:
But Yzerman did move them for high picks. Nobody was trading blue chip prospects though. Nor should other teams do that.

Mantha was traded for another unwanted in Vrana. Yzerman got plenty for Bertuzzi and Hronek when you consider he was only ever trading them for picks and not other similar players. Those were good moves for high picks.

Nyquist was traded by Holland. Same as Jensen.
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Which is why they are worth mentioning, that's all.
 
Ace Card Bedard said:
I think Verbeek, Grier, and Davidson are all safe for another year.
Ducks have shown good progress.
Hawks and Sharks stink but that was expected. Next season they should show some progress. If not, Grier and Davidson might be gone.
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I think Grier has been doing a pretty great job in SJ, his job shouldn't be in jeopardy at all
 
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The problem with Yzerman is that he hands out needless contracts to veterans that have aged out of usefulness. His drafting, development, and ability to find draft gems is commendable. Handing big bags of money to guys like Patrick Kane and Vlad Tarasenko has held them back.

I wouldn't fire him this season but next season needs to be the one.
Pablo El Perro said:
Surprised Sweeney hasn't been mentioned.
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He ain't goin' anywhere. He's too endearing to ownership along with Neely.
 
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VivaLasVegas said:
Place yer bets, place yer bets.

I'm going to ante the pot with Ron Francis in Seattle as the Kraken seem to be headed in the wrong direction.

Which GMs are going to get a Thank You note, a $25 Starbucks gift card and a cardboard box for their personal effects?
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With how trigger happy the Bruins organization has been, I won’t be surprised to see Sweeney (and Neely) gone.

Which would be a bad choice IMO
 
thebeernerd said:
The problem with Yzerman is that he hands out needless contracts to veterans that have aged out of usefulness. His drafting, development, and ability to find draft gems is commendable. Handing big bags of money to guys like Patrick Kane and Vlad Tarasenko has held them back.

I wouldn't fire him this season but next season needs to be the one.

He ain't goin' anywhere. He's too endearing to ownership along with Neely.
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Tarasenko and the vast majority of his IFA signings have been brutal.

Signing Kane certainly isn’t one of them. Hes mostly only valuable on the PP, but 102pts in 118 games for like $4M is a damn good deal
 
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Sweeney couldn't get a Cup stepping into a franchise loaded with HoFers and studs in their prime, plus 3 first round picks his first year. Look at their roster and pipeline now. How anyone can think he should be the one doing a rebuild/retool is beyond me.

Yzerman also should be shown the door. He has had enough time and the Wings still can't even make the playoffs.

Trotz bombed hard his first season. I'd can him, as much as I respect him as a coach.

And Lou just needs to be put out to pasture. The Isles have stagnated. Seems like Roy takes a ;OT of heat, but look what the GM gives him to work with

Those are 4 that come to mind as needing to get the axe.
 
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Ghost of Murph said:
Sweeney couldn't get a Cup stepping into a franchise loaded with HoFers and studs in their prime, plus 3 first round picks his first year. Look at their roster and pipeline now. How anyone can think he should be the one doing a rebuild/retool is beyond me.
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Sweeney also axed Bruce Cassidy (wins Cup following year) and Jim Montgomery (gets Blues to playoffs same year). Genius!
 
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thebeernerd said:
The problem with Yzerman is that he hands out needless contracts to veterans that have aged out of usefulness. His drafting, development, and ability to find draft gems is commendable. Handing big bags of money to guys like Patrick Kane and Vlad Tarasenko has held them back.

I wouldn't fire him this season but next season needs to be the one.

He ain't goin' anywhere. He's too endearing to ownership along with Neely.
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$4.75 mill for two seasons is big bags of money?

The correct player to support your point was Holl, not Kane or Tank. Don't get me wrong Tarasenko has been a disappointment but it's not the hinderance that Holl is.
 
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GMR said:
Come on now.

Yzerman took over the worst roster I've ever seen in 2019. With ZERO prospects. Zadina and Veleno were the top two prospects. Think about that.

He drafted Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper. Some of these guys weren't slam dunk picks. All four have shown progress and talent. Right there he's already done more than Ken Holland did in the 10 seasons prior to Yzerman's coming.

The pro scouting has been horrendous. Other than Talbot, Debrincat (who always wanted to play for Detroit) and Kane, the signings were abysmal. Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Compher, Copp, Tarasenko, Lyon, Husso are all either worthless or overpaid. That's where this team has fallen short.

Making the playoffs is nice but winning in the playoffs is even nicer. As a Capitals fan, you can't be happy about making it every year and getting bounced in the early rounds (except in 2018). Yzerman is playing the long game hoping that his prospects can become good enough to turn the team into a contender. He never expected them to contend for a Cup in 2023, 2024, or 2025.

The problem is many fans don't want the long game. They want to see some postseason hockey, even for a short bit. We could have had both with better free agent moves and trades these last few seasons. If Yzerman doesn't shit himself again in free agency, and if they're not unlucky with injuries next year, there's no reason they can't elevate a few points and make the playoffs.

One other thing I should mention. Lalonde should he been fired sooner. Yzerman waited too long to pull the plug to sign an actual NHL coach instead.
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Yeah, the franchise was in a poor state when he took over in 2019, but that was a long time ago already. The results they’re posting this year are similar to 2 years ago, when they should’ve taken a big step forward this season.

Am I happy about the Caps getting bounced early in the first round each season? Of course not. However, I know hockey can be pretty random and rosters don’t need to be perfect to go all the way. With 32 teams in the league, you have to make the playoffs consistently to have a chance to break through. You also need the young players to get a taste of the playoffs to learn what it takes to go all the way.

Maybe Yzerman gets the benefit of the doubt for this year, but the Wings really need to start getting in the mix next season.
 
Alexander the Gr8 said:
Yeah, the franchise was in a poor state when he took over in 2019, but that was a long time ago already. The results they’re posting this year are similar to 2 years ago, when they should’ve taken a big step forward this season.

Am I happy about the Caps getting bounced early in the first round each season? Of course not. However, I know hockey can be pretty random and rosters don’t need to be perfect to go all the way. With 32 teams in the league, you have to make the playoffs consistently to have a chance to break through. You also need the young players to get a taste of the playoffs to learn what it takes to go all the way.

Maybe Yzerman gets the benefit of the doubt for this year, but the Wings really need to start getting in the mix next season.
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Yeah, it’d be nice if our young players got a taste. But Toronto’s young players have gotten a taste for over five seasons now. What good has it done them? We need a team built for the playoffs first. This team isn’t it.
 
Lou for sure; the Islanders are due for a rebuild next year, and you can't have the old dog doing it

Patrick Roy for Coach/GM
 
Ghost of Murph said:
Sweeney couldn't get a Cup stepping into a franchise loaded with HoFers and studs in their prime, plus 3 first round picks his first year. Look at their roster and pipeline now. How anyone can think he should be the one doing a rebuild/retool is beyond me.

Yzerman also should be shown the door. He has had enough time and the Wings still can't even make the playoffs.

Trotz bombed hard his first season. I'd can him, as much as I respect him as a coach.

And Lou just needs to be put out to pasture. The Isles have stagnated. Seems like Roy takes a ;OT of heat, but look what the GM gives him to work with

Those are 4 that come to mind as needing to get the axe.
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I struggle with this narrative when the team he built 3 different times were clearly good enough. Including building the best regular season team of all time. Other than the 2015 draft, there haven’t been crippling blunders he’s made that should get someone fired IMO.

At a certain point you blame the players for not coming through.

If Yzerman blows this off season again, then I’d love if the Wings replaced him with Sweeney
 
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