GMs To Get The Post-Season Axe

[qcal1427]

Guerin was fixing the previous mistakes of signing guys to 13 year contracts. That's not on Guerin IMO.

Independent of whether it was the right decision it was his decision and something he has to live with and own. The reason they have the dead cap penalties are because of decisions he took.

They are limping into the playoffs and despite getting pretty lucky in finding two bona-fide superstars in Kaprizov and Faber have been unable to surround them with the right supporting talent to win. Zero playoff rounds won in his 5 years and you probably wouldn't pick them to finish higher than 7th in the west again next year.

He should be feeling the heat

 

[qcal1427]

Verbeek is a weird one but I think he stays. Young team looks pretty good but they're young. I don't think he's doing a bad job.

I don't think they look pretty good at all, they've been completely carried by Dostal and Gibson this year. Cronin was his hire and he's been a complete disaster, probably the worst coach in the entire league. They've had a lot more high picks than you'd think and still not particularly close to being a good team.

If I were the owner I wouldn't fire him this summer but I would expect both better results and a better process and make that pretty clear.

 

[Bank Shot]

Suter had a NMC and was playing at home. My understanding was he was approached and said he didn't want to move.

Also, wasn't Suter bought out of the contract that you reference as well?

All that matters is that GMs valued him at at least $3.5 million. He's also making $3 million this season.

If the Wild had just kept him, they would have been free of his cap hit this season.

 

[Unholy]

Verbeek deserves to go if he keeps Cronin for 1 more year. Some of the younger players started to produce in spite of him not knowing what the hell he is doing. Can’t waste next year.. sadly I think he will still be here

 

[thebeernerd]

Francis seems like a sure bet. Verbeek should be, but I think he gets one more year.

Drury is too loyal to Dolan to be fired, and Lamariello gets to leave when he wants to but has shown no indication that this is his last year.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Verbeek is a weird one but I think he stays. Young team looks pretty good but they're young. I don't think he's doing a bad job.

Narrator: But the truth was that he was doing a terrible job.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

At some point? There's a 160 page thread talking about how bad Yzerman is lol.

Then he's probably a very valid answer to this thread's question?

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

I think Verbeek, Grier, and Davidson are all safe for another year.
Ducks have shown good progress.
Hawks and Sharks stink but that was expected. Next season they should show some progress. If not, Grier and Davidson might be gone.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Come on now.

Yzerman took over the worst roster I've ever seen in 2019. With ZERO prospects. Zadina and Veleno were the top two prospects. Think about that.

He drafted Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper. Some of these guys weren't slam dunk picks. All four have shown progress and talent. Right there he's already done more than Ken Holland did in the 10 seasons prior to Yzerman's coming.

The pro scouting has been horrendous. Other than Talbot, Debrincat (who always wanted to play for Detroit) and Kane, the signings were abysmal. Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Compher, Copp, Tarasenko, Lyon, Husso are all either worthless or overpaid. That's where this team has fallen short.

Making the playoffs is nice but winning in the playoffs is even nicer. As a Capitals fan, you can't be happy about making it every year and getting bounced in the early rounds (except in 2018). Yzerman is playing the long game hoping that his prospects can become good enough to turn the team into a contender. He never expected them to contend for a Cup in 2023, 2024, or 2025.

The problem is many fans don't want the long game. They want to see some postseason hockey, even for a short bit. We could have had both with better free agent moves and trades these last few seasons. If Yzerman doesn't shit himself again in free agency, and if they're not unlucky with injuries next year, there's no reason they can't elevate a few points and make the playoffs.

One other thing I should mention. Lalonde should he been fired sooner. Yzerman waited too long to pull the plug to sign an actual NHL coach instead.

People are wrong on Yzerman being on the hot seat, but they are 100% entitled to their opinion IMO.

 

[NYRfan85]

Drury should get the axe, but we all know he won't. He's best buds with Dolan.

Lou, Francis, and Adams should all go too, but I think only Francis and Adams get the axe.

 

[GMR]

People are wrong on Yzerman being on the hot seat, but they are 100% entitled to their opinion IMO.

We're all entitled to our opinions.

My point was that progress has been made beyond where Kenny Holland left it.

If Yzerman is fired tomorrow, the future GM takes over a team with Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and Kasper. Not a team of Zadina, Rasmussen, Veleno, Cholowski, Svechnikov.

 

[The Macho King]

I don’t know if they’ll have the balls to do it to a franchise legend, but Steve Yzerman hasn’t made much progress. No playoff appearances in 6 years as a GM, the seat’s gotta be hot by now I would imagine.

Seeing Montreal collapse and bounce back in the same time frame should sound alarm bells.

 

[Iggys Dome]

We're all entitled to our opinions.

My point was that progress has been made beyond where Kenny Holland left it.

If Yzerman is fired tomorrow, the future GM takes over a team with Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and Kasper. Not a team of Zadina, Rasmussen, Veleno, Cholowski, Svechnikov.

I feel like you could put a dozen GMs in the situation Yzerman walked into and they’d do just as good if not better.

It’s not hard to make a team from bottom of the league to middle of the pack, the tough part is taking that next step afterwards.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Francis seems like a sure bet. Verbeek should be, but I think he gets one more year.

Drury is too loyal to Dolan to be fired, and Lamariello gets to leave when he wants to but has shown no indication that this is his last year.

Remarkable that so many dinosaur GMs can survive so long.

 

[landy]

Adams in Buffalo has to be at the top of the list.

 

[SensontheRush]

We're all entitled to our opinions.

My point was that progress has been made beyond where Kenny Holland left it.

If Yzerman is fired tomorrow, the future GM takes over a team with Raymond, Seider, Edvinsson, and Kasper. Not a team of Zadina, Rasmussen, Veleno, Cholowski, Svechnikov.

Thats disingenuous.

Larkin, Mantha, Nyquist, Bertuzzi, Jensen, Tatar were all on the team Yzerman inherited as well.

Edit: add Hronek

 

[GMR]

Thats disingenuous.

Larkin, Mantha, Nyquist, Bertuzzi, Jensen, Tatar were all on the team Yzerman inherited as well.

I'm talking about young prospects. Larkin, Mantha, Tatar, and Bertuzzi were already established NHLers. Holland left Yzerman with ZERO prospects. Notice I'm not mentioning Larkin or Debrincat as players Yzerman will leave the future GM with.

I also forgot to mention Hronek, who was a good prospect that Yzerman traded away. But that trade made sense at the time for a good haul.

 

[GMR]

I feel like you could put a dozen GMs in the situation Yzerman walked into and they’d do just as good if not better.

It’s not hard to make a team from bottom of the league to middle of the pack, the tough part is taking that next step afterwards.

I agree. Toronto is a good example. They're clearly ahead of us and make the playoffs every season. But they haven't been able to take that next step.

 

[SensontheRush]

I'm talking about young prospects. Larkin, Mantha, Tatar, and Bertuzzi were already established NHLers. Holland left Yzerman with ZERO prospects.

These guys were all young, core-quality players at the time. So what's the difference between that and prospects?

And I forgot to mention Hronek!

Edit: We both had the same thought haha.

But let's say Yzerman is let go tomorrow? Why would you not include DbC as a core player handed off to the next guy? He's more valuable than most any prospect because he's a sure thing.

 

[GMR]

These guys were all young, core-quality players at the time. So what's the difference between that and prospects?

Because Holland missed on more picks than he hit on. Especially in the first rounds. Yzerman so far has drafted well. I also feel that Cossa and ASP will be joining that list of good players soon.

Tatar and Nyquist played in Detroit since like 2012. They were already established vets by the time Yzerman arrived. Mantha was a lazy JAG who shouldn't even be playing in the NHL anymore. Jensen was traded by Holland. It was Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek as the best players/prospects Yzerman had to start with. The current list of talent/prospects is better.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...every GM in the state of New York absolutely should be shytecanned if said teams want to make ANY progress at all next season...but they won't, so prepare yourselves, NY fans...honestly, the Rags & Sabres should PRAY for new ownership that stays out of Hockey Ops...

...sad as it is, Francis should probably be gone, as well...for a guy that had such amazing "Vision" on the ice, he doesn't seem to as a GM...team direction seems to be all over the place...if he does get another Season, it better be a much better one,, imo...

...Yzerman is a tough one; drafting & development are a strength in Detroit, as it was in Tampa under his watch...however, building around these young studs is where Stevie Y fails and, at times, miserably...don't think he will get canned, but patience with his "Vision" has to be wearing thin...

...Verbeek's another tough one because he seems to be building a very talented young core, however hasn't led them to that next step and they should be progressing more than they are by now...he also needs to hire a coach that can bring them together to play as a team instead of just talented individuals...

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Independent of whether it was the right decision it was his decision and something he has to live with and own. The reason they have the dead cap penalties are because of decisions he took.

They are limping into the playoffs and despite getting pretty lucky in finding two bona-fide superstars in Kaprizov and Faber have been unable to surround them with the right supporting talent to win. Zero playoff rounds won in his 5 years and you probably wouldn't pick them to finish higher than 7th in the west again next year.

He should be feeling the heat

So everything good that happened was lucky and successfully putting together a team with $12+M in cap penalties from contracts that go back to when he was an impact player in the NHL and have the team be able to overcame major injuries to key players and still make the playoffs, but he should be on the hotseat. I guess he didn't cure cancer yet, or make peace in the Middle East.

Seriously, compare BGs performance to guys like Drury or Lou and tell me he deserves to be taking heat.

 

[Voight]

All 3 guys in New York. Drury, Lau Lam, and Adams. But they'll probably all stay somehow.

Adams won't get fired, he is a yes man for Pegula and thats all Ole Tim wants. They would just be replacing him with some other inexperienced hockey ops guy.

 

[SensontheRush]

Because Holland missed on more picks than he hit on. Especially in the first rounds. Yzerman so far has drafted well. I also feel that Cossa and ASP will be joining that list of good players soon.

Tatar and Nyquist played in Detroit since like 2012. They were already established vets by the time Yzerman arrived. Mantha was a lazy JAG who shouldn't even be playing in the NHL anymore. Jensen was traded by Holland. It was Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek as the best players/prospects Yzerman had to start with. The current list of talent/prospects is better.

They are all, for the most part, all players that could be regular contributors on your roster EIGHT years out.

Fair point that it was Holland that moved on from Jensen though

And if that's now how you want to view them, fine, but they are all valuable trade chips that were moveable for high picks and blue chip prospects. They are effectively an extension of the prospect pool.

So, I reiterate that it's disingenuous that Yzerman had nothing to work with. Yes, the prospect pool was barren, but you 100% had the pieces already in place to have pivoted in half the time that has elapsed.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Surprised Sweeney hasn't been mentioned.