GMs To Get The Post-Season Axe

[RedHawkDown]

Oh look. This turned into another Detroit bashing thread. So surprising!

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

As an outsider Stevie Y sounds like Dale Tallon in Florida.

Build through the draft, and some meh FA signings. But without the one and done playoff appearances

Tallon also built the behemoth in Chicago and was fired before it came to fruition so that people could pretend for awhile that Stan Bowman was a competent GM.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Thanks for admitting you have no valid response. Better luck next time there, sport.

Nah. Once again, I'm just not wasting time reading your dissertation of crying and complaining. Because it's all you know how to do, and quite frankly it's exhausting.

I bet you're a blast at parties though.

 

[ShootIt]

Tallon also built the behemoth in Chicago and was fired before it came to fruition so that people could pretend for awhile that Stan Bowman was a competent GM.

He did some good here in Florida, obviously, too.
Just seemed too fixated on over rating his own prospects at times. And overpaid ex-blackhawks in FA.

Just curious to see if SY will continue with the plan or get a bit more aggressive. Liked Tallon here, but at the same time felt like his time ran it's course and needed another direction to shift the team into the next gear.

Luckily, Zito turned out to be the perfect GM to replace him with.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Not GM but I wish Jeff Jackson would gtfo

 

[Legionnaire11]

Barry Trotz spent like $130 million and missed the playoffs by 30 points. Try explaining that to ownership.

The only problem with this is that the owners aren't necessarily hockey people, they were local investors who simply wanted to keep the Predators from moving away. Their goals has always been to simply break even in their investment while allowing real hockey minds to run the show.

Now they've sold a majority stake to Bill Haslam, and made an incredible profit on their initial investment. So as long as their bottom line keeps going up, I think they're okay weathering the storm of a few bad seasons and trusting the hockey people to do their thing.

Now, of course from the hockey side it looks like Trotz and Brunette were a huge mistake, they need to both be gone yesterday so the team can move forward with a proper rebuild. Hopefully Haslam sees this and keeps them on a short leash if he's not willing to just axe them immediately. I think we're still paying John Hynes, and maybe even Laviolette. Plus a bunch of buyouts and retained salary from trades, there's so much dead cash going out the door already that I'm not sure they want to add two more bodies to the pile. Maybe just ride it out, take some lottery picks and let someone else take over once the financial situation turns the corner.

But I'm just spitballing here, only a handful of insiders really know the situation.

 

[Osakahaus]

if Lou Lamoriello survives this offseason I genuinely believe he's got some contract saying "im not leaving until I die" or something like that. He's literally the worst at being proactive.

 

[Osakahaus]

Oh look. This turned into another Detroit bashing thread. So surprising!

there are worse general managers who have survived a longer time than Yzerman. I hate the Red Wings but this thread should specifically make fun of Chris Drury and Lou Lamoriello, both for creating hockey teams that haven't done shit after getting themselves knocked out by Tampa from 2020-2022.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

"The roster he blew up in 2019" is quite the rewrite of history.

He literally was handed that shit and started with it.

He was handed a poor roster and had to start from scratch. I call that blowing it up and starting from scratch. Call it whatever you want, but it was a full rebuild at the end of the day.

 

[JianYang]

Not GM but I wish Jeff Jackson would gtfo

Jeff Jackson was being hailed as a genius here on July 1st.

I even recall oiler fans contemplating whether they have the best 4 lines in the league.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Oh look. This turned into another Detroit bashing thread. So surprising!

My intention wasn’t to turn that into a Detroit bashing thread… but at some point it’s valid to question the direction. There are many other GMs that could be mentioned in this thread.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Anybody want to defend Barry Trotz? It was only Year 1 for him but ..... yeah.

 

[GMR]

Alright, let’s bring some stats in to analyze this further. Let’s go by PTS%.

2018-19 (the season before Yzerman took over): .451
2019-20: .275
2020-21: .429
2021-22: .451
2022-23: .488
2023-24: .555
2024-25 (so far): .506

Where do you see significant progress? It looked like they were trending upwards and got so close to the playoffs last year, but they took a step back and are in no man’s land again.

Come on now.

Yzerman took over the worst roster I've ever seen in 2019. With ZERO prospects. Zadina and Veleno were the top two prospects. Think about that.

He drafted Seider, Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper. Some of these guys weren't slam dunk picks. All four have shown progress and talent. Right there he's already done more than Ken Holland did in the 10 seasons prior to Yzerman's coming.

The pro scouting has been horrendous. Other than Talbot, Debrincat (who always wanted to play for Detroit) and Kane, the signings were abysmal. Holl, Chiarot, Petry, Compher, Copp, Tarasenko, Lyon, Husso are all either worthless or overpaid. That's where this team has fallen short.

Making the playoffs is nice but winning in the playoffs is even nicer. As a Capitals fan, you can't be happy about making it every year and getting bounced in the early rounds (except in 2018). Yzerman is playing the long game hoping that his prospects can become good enough to turn the team into a contender. He never expected them to contend for a Cup in 2023, 2024, or 2025.

The problem is many fans don't want the long game. They want to see some postseason hockey, even for a short bit. We could have had both with better free agent moves and trades these last few seasons. If Yzerman doesn't shit himself again in free agency, and if they're not unlucky with injuries next year, there's no reason they can't elevate a few points and make the playoffs.

One other thing I should mention. Lalonde should he been fired sooner. Yzerman waited too long to pull the plug to sign an actual NHL coach instead.

 

[RedHawkDown]

My intention wasn’t to turn that into a Detroit bashing thread… but at some point it’s valid to question the direction. There are many other GMs that could be mentioned in this thread.

At some point? There's a 160 page thread talking about how bad Yzerman is lol.

 

[qcal1427]

Guys that will be on the hotseat and should: Drury, Adams, Fitzgerald
Guys that should be on the hotseat but won't: Guerin, Lou, Francis, Verbeek, Yzerman

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I don’t know if they’ll have the balls to do it to a franchise legend, but Steve Yzerman hasn’t made much progress. No playoff appearances in 6 years as a GM, the seat’s gotta be hot by now I would imagine.

Was not aware. Maybe we should start a thread to discuss?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Guys that will be on the hotseat and should: Drury, Adams, Fitzgerald
Guys that should be on the hotseat but won't: Guerin, Lou, Francis, Verbeek, Yzerman

Asking why Guerin is on the list. Huge cap penalties and major injuries are factors beyond his control and the Wild are firmly a in a wildcard PO spot.

 

[qcal1427]

Asking why Guerin is on the list. Huge cap penalties and major injuries are factors beyond his control and the Wild are firmly a in a wildcard PO spot.

Who was the one that created those huge cap penalties?

 

[Bank Shot]

Asking why Guerin is on the list. Huge cap penalties and major injuries are factors beyond his control and the Wild are firmly a in a wildcard PO spot.

Guerin created those huge cap penalties didn't he?

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Who was the one that created those huge cap penalties?

Guerin was fixing the previous mistakes of signing guys to 13 year contracts. That's not on Guerin IMO. That would be like blaming Bowman for the Nurse contract.

 

[Bank Shot]

Asking why Guerin is on the list. Huge cap penalties and major injuries are factors beyond his control and the Wild are firmly a in a wildcard PO spot.

Guerin created those huge cap penalties didn't he?

 

[Pens x]

Wish Dubas was on the hot seat, but Pens’ fans still largely defend that idiot.

 

[Bank Shot]

Guerin was fixing the previous mistakes of signing guys to 13 year contracts. That's not on Guerin IMO.

Maybe he could have traded Suter at 50% retained rather than buying him out?

Suter ended up getting about half($3.6) of his precious contract on his next contract anyway.

Maybe he was stuck with Parise, but Suter's buyout was handled badly IMO.

 

[Osakahaus]

Guys that will be on the hotseat and should: Drury, Adams, Fitzgerald
Guys that should be on the hotseat but won't: Guerin, Lou, Francis, Verbeek, Yzerman

Verbeek is a weird one but I think he stays. Young team looks pretty good but they're young. I don't think he's doing a bad job.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Maybe he could have traded Suter at 50% retained rather than buying him out?

Suter ended up getting about half($3.6) of his precious contract on his next contract anyway.

Maybe he was stuck with Parise, but Suter's buyout was handled badly IMO.

Suter had a NMC and was playing at home. My understanding was he was approached and said he didn't want to move.

Also, wasn't Suter bought out of the contract that you reference as well?