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Not sure if this is controversial or not but the Canucks will miss the playoffs this year because Petey has 45 points.

His monumental dip in production is the biggest reason this team isn’t playing any postseason games.
 
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DFAC said:
Not sure if this is controversial or not but the Canucks will miss the playoffs this year because Petey has 45 points.

His monumental dip in production is the biggest reason this team isn’t playing any postseason games.
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He is a big reason for sure..lots of other factors figure into this season also..its been a f!!!ing gong show.with Despite House wife's drama to all the injuries we have had..also a few players not showing up on a nightly basis .On the positive..kids are showing promis.Lek,DPetty..
 
arttk said:
It’s not a false premise, Hughes has stated over and over that he’s not interested in going through another rebuild or rebuild type experience. I don’t understand this whole well he doesn’t actually mean that. Don’t FAFO with your best player.
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To be fair, Horvat said similar and he still re-upped and wanted to stay in Van.

I will say that I am pretty pessimistic about Quinn staying in Vancouver, all things considered. I really hope I'm wrong.
 
I don't understand how trading unsigned players is giving up on the season. The Avs did it with one of the best wingers in the league, apparently against the wishes of their captain. Watching them now, they look like a deeper and improved team for it.

The hurricanes not only traded for that same winger, but turned around and traded him themselves when it looked like he wouldn't sign long term. They wouldn't keep one of the best wingers in the league, vastly improving their chances of winning a cup.

Yet there's absolutely no way the Canucks could have traded Boeser for a second round pick and a prospect?

How did Brock look against the Jets? I think you've got to entertain the idea that maybe some younger player brings some energy and drive and makes the team better, or at least not worse.

I get not trading Sutter, but Boeser and our man Forbort doesn't really hurt the team and gives the club added ammunition for trades in the offseason.

If some of the better teams in this league are willing to risk trades, you'd have to think the Canucks should be doing the same.
 
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when quinn decides to resign or not, wont it be the future hes looking at from that position in time? it seems the best case scenario to keeping hughes was to do a mini rebuild/retool that would put the canucks in the best position to win during the year he signs or not. i dont think hes going to look back at this year and see how management tried to keep the team competitive and use that as evidence to resign. i think he will be purely looking forward.
 
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This road-trip was really a microcosm of their season. Had a lead in St. Louis in the third period, lost it, and had to score a buzzer beater from Boeser to even get it to OT. Then lose.

On to New York. Outshot the Rangers 39-11...had s lead but lost it late on a flurry of d-zone breakdowns. Two solid games against the Devils and Islanders. Then on to Columbus where they blew leads of 3-0 and 5-3 in the third period and lost in the SO. '

The on to the Winnipeg where they had a lead early, but couldn't build on it. Went into the third period tied but allowed two goals and lost. So the trip ended 2-2-2.

The only thing consistent about the 2024-25 version of the Canucks was 'inconsistency'. I guess you can point to individual performances, like Demko missing most of they year; EP40 falling off a cliff; or the Miller meltdown and trade.

But realistically, in totality--they simply weren't good enough as a team.
 
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DFAC said:
Not sure if this is controversial or not but the Canucks will miss the playoffs this year because Petey has 45 points.

His monumental dip in production is the biggest reason this team isn’t playing any postseason games.
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It’s a big reason, but imo:

1) the defence until the Marcus Pettersson trade. With a better defence, we probably win more of those overtime losses (not going into OT from blowing leads) and are on the brink of making the playoffs right now.

2) Miller / Pettersson each having bad years for different reasons. I weigh these about the same (Miller’s attitude and impact on morale + leave of absence along with Pettersson’s dip in production).

3) Demko being injured most of the year. Silovs was brutal to start the year and lost us some games. Lankinen did an admirable job but Demko probably steals us a few more games.

4) Secondary scoring regressing. Mainly Hoglander and Joshua (understandable). Boeser was pretty bad (even before the concussion) relative to last year as well.

If even 1 or 2 of the above don’t happen, we’re probably in a wildcard spot or neck and neck with St. Louis.
 
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Couple of things - and we will likely get an autopsy thread to talk about this - I don't think Tocchet is as much the problem as Allvin.When he was hired it was clear from his reputation that does he's very active with the trade button. But there's been other problems.
Namely constant injuries with our core players and some up and comers like Joshua. That's happened since we drafted them. I think we need get some goonery to protect our assets. No one does this anymore but there was a reason it was done in the past - intimidation. "Protect your mark," as it was explained on the Simpsons.
We can't replace the offense we lost in Miller but we traded it for missing defense we had with M Pettersson.

That said, management gambled on losing Horvat when we could used the money we paid for Miller instead. No one has brought this up yet.
The only downside would Quinn would not be captain and Bo was already taking on too much. If somehow we got him back it would be like getting Trevor Linden back where he can just play his game and not worry about such things. But he has to be unhappy with the team after what went down.

We hardballed Zadarov to take 4 years at 4.6 when he walked away at 5 years at 5m. He would have signed for 4.6 for 5years - that was the sticking point. Surely we could have ponied up the extra year for what he brought for us. He went to a bad team this year but you have to think he would have done much better with us.
 
Alvin totally screwed the team with that defense walking in to the season. This off season will be different though, with the focus being all on our forward group.

This team didn't give up which I appreciate. What a shit hand we were dealt this year, my god.
 
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Was a super unlucky season. No team with similar circumstances could or indeed did succeed this year. I don't fault em. Run it back next year with some retooling. Maybe Brock out and another center makes sense. Not sure but overall management has done a good job all things considered. I like most of their moves, not perfect but infinitely better than Benning and 100% demko of last year and we are in the playoffs comfortably right now even with Hughes injury and Pettersson/Miller stuff
 
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bless the souls still defending the trade deadline.
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Depends on what defending is. While it happened before the acquisition of MP is huge and has to be in the evaluation. Should they have moved a couple of bodies? Yes. I'm on record as saying they either move Boeser or have an extension in place. To not do either is a mistake. Still it's a mistake that can be fixed yet. But you do have to take the MP trade into account and that is an excellent trade IMO.
 
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The people who say we clearly sucked and the playoffs were a pipe dream.

The East and West were similar in terms of playoff cutoff 3 weeks ago. Now there's a 10 point difference.

If we were in the Metro we would be competing with New Jersey for third and that's WITH the unpredictable fact that we lost 3 of our top 5 offensive players.

Not everything is binary.

The team and young core is showing themselves who they are.

They haven't quit, they've put forth a commendable effort and if St Louis wasn't on an almost historic pace for a team starting where they were, we would likely be fairly comfortably in.

Just because we didn't predict St Louis going supersonic or even more key injuries doesn't mean we made the wrong move by not being complete f***ing quitters for 2 second rounders in a BAD draft.
 
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You can't really fault the effort. They're getting the maximum out of the current lineup. And a 2-2-2 record in some of the buildings they went into on this six-game road-trip is realistically about all you could expect.

So now that the the playoffs are basically out of reach--they really really need to re-adjust some of the ice-time. The best result of the last eight games is to get loads of ice-time for kids like Raty, EP25, Lekkerimaki, Mancini and Karlsson.

That's the only thing that bothered me about Forbort being turn-styled on the third goal. Hard to criticize him since he's been solid on this road-swing.

But he's a post-30 UFA this off-season......and re-signing him probably isn't likely. If it was EP25 or Mancini getting turned inside out, then you just live with it. But Forbort's ice-time needs to be re-allocated. I'd pair Mancini and EP25 as a right-left tandem and play them a ton.
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The Forbort turn style is just one goal, and he continues to show that he doesn’t give up many, whether PK or Even. Not on for too many pluses though. I don’t think he’ll sign in Vancouver next year because of our depth. He’ll have teams looking at him. He’s getting a raise, but probably not a ridiculous contract. I see as much as $2.5 x 2yrs. Someone will pay it, if not Vancouver. The real contract that could bite Vancouver is the MPetey contract. I personally think he’s highly overrated, and gives up fairly soft goals all the time. Maybe he’ll be better next year, but I don’t think of him as being our home run at a top 4.
 
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It’s a big reason, but imo:

1) the defence until the Marcus Pettersson trade. With a better defence, we probably win more of those overtime losses (not going into OT from blowing leads) and are on the brink of making the playoffs right now.

2) Miller / Pettersson each having bad years for different reasons. I weigh these about the same (Miller’s attitude and impact on morale + leave of absence along with Pettersson’s dip in production).

3) Demko being injured most of the year. Silovs was brutal to start the year and lost us some games. Lankinen did an admirable job but Demko probably steals us a few more games.

4) Secondary scoring regressing. Mainly Hoglander and Joshua (understandable). Boeser was pretty bad (even before the concussion) relative to last year as well.

If even 1 or 2 of the above don’t happen, we’re probably in a wildcard spot or neck and neck with St. Louis.
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How about overtime debacles and too many ties. If this were old time hockey with games ending in ties, we’d be 26-27-21. That’s absurd
 
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How about overtime debacles and too many ties. If this were old time hockey with games ending in ties, we’d be 26-27-21. That’s absurd
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Largely due to Tocchet’s style of low event hockey. On the flip side, I think it gives this team a chance against any other team in the playoffs as usually our games are pretty close and rarely are we blown out.
 
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I don't really think Boeser regressed.
He had an anomaly last season and this year, he's pretty much on par with every other year in his career.

He's a pretty clutch scorer though, I'll give him that. But he's overall a 50~ pt player, so he's going to be invisible on many nights. You can debate his pt/g is much higher than that, but at the end of the day, he usually does end up missing games and finishing around the 50 pt mark, when all said and done.
 
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