Post-Game Talk: Gm7: Canadiens win Part II
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Glove Malfunction
Ference is my binky
I AM a hockey official, which made watching not just game 7, but the whole series downright infuriating, seeing really similar infractions allowed at one end, and called on the other. And it happened again and again. You hit the consistency definition squarely on the head. I've actually had coaches try to pull the "you've called more on us, you're not calling it even" schtick on me and I can only laugh at it.
Aye, I feel your pain. But that should be a lesson to the Bruins to be less cocky next time, less arrogant and less full of themselves. They played poor on ice because they were certain that serie would be a walk in the park.
I posted somthing about that after game 2 saying it reminded me the year we finished first in the east and got manhandled in the first round. We were to cocky and too arrogant. We did the same against the Sens last year saying we didn't have anything to change to our play since we were the better team. It happens all the time in sport...
Bruins have a better team than the habs, it should be flagrant...but it is on ice that things are settled...
Neely08
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Yeah, I can't get over that.
Game 6, too. They just gave it away. Not just the goals, but confidence, the momentum. And the habs just ran w/ it. That's all. Habs can talk a/b disrespect motivating them all they want, that's ********. Deep down they know they're still total ****** bags, Weise confirmed it w/ the media, they win and still whine. Those gifts don't happen, could have been different.
We can beat up our players, play the blame game, whatever. In two critical games they gave them 10 fingers to get over the fence, the B's shrank, played afraid to make the next mistake, and the Hab seized on it.
That is why I question the leadership. That swagger was gone. Whether it was the loss of Seidenberg. Kelly. McQuaid. Heck, lets go deeper. Horton and especially Ference. That was lost on us. They had no umph. As soon as the first goal was scored and the lack of coverage by Bart. The shrugged shoulders instantly happened. And for the B's to do that when they have made so many comebacks, just stood out for me. Chara gave up in game 6, imo and it showed. I dont know what it is. The Habs simply wanted it more and it was evident from the get go. We put up a decent fight and even then it was still close. If we gave the 100% needed like we've done ALL YEAR, this match up would have been over and we would be getting ready for the ECF saturday. Just no excuse for it. Sure, the officiating was the worst officiated game 7 in my recent memory, but coupled with the fact that we were basically inept scoring and the inability to master the dreaded post, it was doomed. We were doomed when we let game 6 slip away. NOBODY. We are now 0-6 on the road in game 6 in the Julien era. That needs to be fixed. When you have the opportunity to eliminate a team, you do it. Or you at least show up and put up a good fight. The fact we even had to go to a game 7 was ridiculous in itself.
The Habs were on all fours every shot we took. Blocking everything. Where was that with us? That was one of our biggest strengths? I know Soupy got injured doing it last year but I didnt see him ONCE try to block a shot in this series. Nobody took the risk. It just seemed like we gave up. I want things fixed in the off season. I'm done being mediocre. Its time to be elite. Time to take some risks. We have some good players ready to take the next step next year. Chia has some work to do.
Countdown0
Deep Breath... nope, still mad!
Sens fan coming in peace.
First of all, I want to say I was pulling for you guys. I hate the Habs, and actually like a good number of the Bruins' players, so it was an easy call on who to cheer for to me.
As for the way the two teams played the series, well... the Habs live and die by Price. He's their playoff MVP, easily. If he didn't play like a beast, you guys would have spanked them. A couple of your guys under performed, but I think you would have won if the gaoltending was equal. Not to knock Rask. He's good. But as much as I hate to admit it, Price is a superstar goalie, or at least he is this season.
Now, the talk of officiating... I think the "crosscheck to Marchand's head, Bruins get the penalty" sums it up in a neat little bow. It seemed like when a call could (not chould, but could) be made either way, it generally went Montreal's way. This doesn't just happen against the Bruins though. Its just how things seem to work with the Habs. They get the calls. One of the reasons I hate them.
Anyway, the last thing I wanna say anything about is the Lucic thing in the handshake line. I get that maybe Lucic shouldn't have "threatened" the Habs players. But let's get real. Lucic obviously doesn't mean he's going to try and end their careers or anything. Just that he's gonna be nasty with them next season. They should have known that anyway. You guys just played a LONG playoff series. Obviously there will be animosity between familiar players next season. But surprise, surprise, the Habs complain about it. They need to get over themselves.
Anyway, congratulations to the Bruins on one of hell of a season, and unlike my team, you guys actually got to play some playoff games. I'm envious of you guys actually getting playoff hockey >.<
First of all, I want to say I was pulling for you guys. I hate the Habs, and actually like a good number of the Bruins' players, so it was an easy call on who to cheer for to me.
As for the way the two teams played the series, well... the Habs live and die by Price. He's their playoff MVP, easily. If he didn't play like a beast, you guys would have spanked them. A couple of your guys under performed, but I think you would have won if the gaoltending was equal. Not to knock Rask. He's good. But as much as I hate to admit it, Price is a superstar goalie, or at least he is this season.
Now, the talk of officiating... I think the "crosscheck to Marchand's head, Bruins get the penalty" sums it up in a neat little bow. It seemed like when a call could (not chould, but could) be made either way, it generally went Montreal's way. This doesn't just happen against the Bruins though. Its just how things seem to work with the Habs. They get the calls. One of the reasons I hate them.
Anyway, the last thing I wanna say anything about is the Lucic thing in the handshake line. I get that maybe Lucic shouldn't have "threatened" the Habs players. But let's get real. Lucic obviously doesn't mean he's going to try and end their careers or anything. Just that he's gonna be nasty with them next season. They should have known that anyway. You guys just played a LONG playoff series. Obviously there will be animosity between familiar players next season. But surprise, surprise, the Habs complain about it. They need to get over themselves.
Anyway, congratulations to the Bruins on one of hell of a season, and unlike my team, you guys actually got to play some playoff games. I'm envious of you guys actually getting playoff hockey >.<
Minny Shinny
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I'm willing to give Chara a pass for things like his bench demeanor considering the fact that we now know he was receiving pain relief shots for a fricking compound fracture before the games started. I don't care who you are, how strong and motivated you are, that medication's gonna dope you up and affect your demeanor....and by extension, your play.
In hindsight one could argue they shouldn't have had him out there, and that's a discussion about coaching and roster depth that's being held elsewhere. But calling out his perceived lack of enthusiasm now knowing what we know is kind of embarrassing and frankly a bit disrespectful in hindsight.
This is why the whole "look like they don't care" or "playing with no heart" thing bugs the hell out of me. None of us....NONE.....know exactly what these guys are really going through.
In hindsight one could argue they shouldn't have had him out there, and that's a discussion about coaching and roster depth that's being held elsewhere. But calling out his perceived lack of enthusiasm now knowing what we know is kind of embarrassing and frankly a bit disrespectful in hindsight.
This is why the whole "look like they don't care" or "playing with no heart" thing bugs the hell out of me. None of us....NONE.....know exactly what these guys are really going through.
Of course now that the series is over we're gonna learn ALL about these injuries. And to me, while I feel for Chara and anyone else on the team who happened to play hurt, but this is the playoffs. Chara didn't show up once in any of the games. He flat out quit on the breakaway in game 6. Bergy played with all his injuries last year and didn't quit on any play. It just seems to me the team didn't show up to play. The quit. You're right. NONE of us know what they're going through. But I'm not making excuses for them and neither should you. They flat out played like crap. They didnt play up to the standards in which they should. Especially in game 7 where all we heard was how ready they are to play the game. How excited. And when it was time to show that, they sucked. Every team is injured at this point in the playoffs. The ones who power through it move on. I did not like what I saw when the Habs scored first. Unlike game 1 when they went down early, they powered through it and didn't give up. Almost tied the damn thing.
It's not disrespectful. Its not embarrassing. Its the truth. You want to give Chara the benefit of the doubt? Fine. What about the rest of the team? Are you waiting to hear if they ALL had injuries too to save them the criticism? C'mon now. They blew it. They sucked. They backed nothing up. It was embarrassing to watch that so called "effort" and my guess they feel the same way. We know how they can play. We saw some of it in game 5. The fact that somehow they couldn't do that and more in game 6 or even 7 blows my mind. I love this team but I'm not going to sit here and baby them. They didnt step up at all. And its not because of injuries. Maybe a little bit of that factored in there, but its not why.
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So basically your starting the Chara shouldn't be Captain and Bergy should crap here?
Go 20k posts!
Hockey's Worst Tradition..
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/n...-the-worst-tradition-in-hockey-150002916.html
But it's forced sincerity. It’s artifice for the sake of tradition. It's visiting a relative you hate or attending the wedding of a former flame, years after they split up with you. It’s a phony, perfunctory end to the most authentic portion of the season.
Worse yet, it’s abject trolling.
Is there anything more humiliating than having to shake the hand of the man who just ended your dream and literally took money out of your pocket? Than accepting some platitude from a guy you know doesn’t mean it, and who knows you don’t mean it?
It’s like taking a punch to the nuts and then having to thank someone for it.
The worst part about the worst tradition in hockey is that there’s no getting out of it. Mike Milbury suggested that in lieu of threatening everyone in a Montreal sweater last night, Lucic simply skip the handshake line. And while this might have been OK for Billy Smith 25 years ago, you’ll catch hell for it today. Lest we forget The Great Sidney Crosby Handshake Snub controversy of 2009?
No, the only solution for Lucic and the Bruins was to shake the hands of the team they’re paid to hate, congratulating them for being better than they are and participating in hockey’s grandest tradition of humiliation, shame and artificiality, dressed up as sportsmanship.
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/n...-the-worst-tradition-in-hockey-150002916.html
But it's forced sincerity. It’s artifice for the sake of tradition. It's visiting a relative you hate or attending the wedding of a former flame, years after they split up with you. It’s a phony, perfunctory end to the most authentic portion of the season.
Worse yet, it’s abject trolling.
Is there anything more humiliating than having to shake the hand of the man who just ended your dream and literally took money out of your pocket? Than accepting some platitude from a guy you know doesn’t mean it, and who knows you don’t mean it?
It’s like taking a punch to the nuts and then having to thank someone for it.
The worst part about the worst tradition in hockey is that there’s no getting out of it. Mike Milbury suggested that in lieu of threatening everyone in a Montreal sweater last night, Lucic simply skip the handshake line. And while this might have been OK for Billy Smith 25 years ago, you’ll catch hell for it today. Lest we forget The Great Sidney Crosby Handshake Snub controversy of 2009?
No, the only solution for Lucic and the Bruins was to shake the hands of the team they’re paid to hate, congratulating them for being better than they are and participating in hockey’s grandest tradition of humiliation, shame and artificiality, dressed up as sportsmanship.
Minny Shinny
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You wasted a lot of energy responding to something I never said or even addressed.
I said (as you bolded) I gave him a pass for his demeanor on the bench as he was probably drugged out of his gills.
Had nothing to do with my impression of how he played or the entire rest of the team played, or how they played in comparison to the 2013 team or the 1971 team.
Rage on tho.
I'll start that movement after you start the Kelly for Captain one. I'm sure that's coming eventually.
I never insinuated once that Chara shouldn't be captain in my post. I just think hearing about these so called injuries are moot. Chara didn't look hurt. He looked old. Slow. He made SO many mental mistakes. It starts with you captain and it trickles down the line. We looked defeated before we stepped out on the ice. Just disappointing.
SOM, I'm not raging. I didn't waste my time writing how I feel. Its good to get the feelings out now. That way I can be over it by sat rolls around. I want to enjoy watching hockey again. The fact that I have to watch and root for a team I dislike, beat a team I hate makes me ill. We should of taken care of business. And we didn't even try. That's all.
I'll start that movement after you start the Kelly for Captain one. I'm sure that's coming eventually.
I never insinuated once that Chara shouldn't be captain in my post. I just think hearing about these so called injuries are moot. Chara didn't look hurt. He looked old. Slow. He made SO many mental mistakes. It starts with you captain and it trickles down the line. We looked defeated before we stepped out on the ice. Just disappointing.
SOM, I'm not raging. I didn't waste my time writing how I feel. Its good to get the feelings out now. That way I can be over it by sat rolls around. I want to enjoy watching hockey again. The fact that I have to watch and root for a team I dislike, beat a team I hate makes me ill. We should of taken care of business. And we didn't even try. That's all.
My apologies then. Believe it or not, it's been suggested in other posts which is silly IMO.
I agree that Chara looked pretty bad but to simply blame it on age is not telling the whole story.
A positive to come out of this injury is that the surgery and recovery is going to force him to back off in his off season workouts which will IMO, help with the grind of the season next year. Having Seids and JB available to eat minutes is going to do wonders.
I'm just cautious when it comes to really criticizing him until we know the extent of his injury.
Apology accepted and fair point.
As for the Chara-Bergy captain thing. That's so ridiculous that people are starting that up again! Though I will say whenever Zee decides he's done. Its going to Patrice. But that's hopefully a long ways away and a few cups in hand!
This loss is just a sucky situation all around. I feel so let down by this team. Also, can I just say damn that Presidents Trophy! I never want to win it again. No one has mentioned it but once we won it, I had a baad feeling. Cursed I say!
Minny Shinny
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I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I've seen a lot of good teams, bad teams, teams I love and teams I hate beat up on each other so this one singular loss, I'm just not gonna let it affect me. Different strokes.
As far as the team not even trying, people can have that opinion. People can also have the opinion that they gave whatever they had left in the tank which was their all. We'll never know what the answer is, and most likely the answer is not on either extreme, but somewhere in the middle.
These pro athletes do not get to achieve the highest pinnacle in their career by half-assing when the games matter. I refuse to believe that this group of pros, one that most of us whole heartily lauded as strong contenders going into it all, decided to spit the bit as a whole in games 6 and 7 against Montreal. They're not that mentally weak. Did they stumble and not play their best? Better believe it. Dd they run into a freight train that out-Bruined them? Yup.
Did physical injury/questionable decision making/other outside cirrculars unknown to us take their toll? Perhaps. These aren't excuses and shouldn't be construed as such. The human psyche doesn't work in ranges of black and white. There's a combination of factors that contribute to what they do including actual execution of play, which brings us the final result. It's not an excuse and they're never singular in nature. They're a combination of things that tell a complete story.
That's why this place is such a ****show after losses like this. People get nuts and go to the extremes. That's cool, that's fine. People react, and there's a place for that.
But that's not how the game is played, how rosters are made, how players are constructed.
Again....when you've watched it for years, it's a lot easier to sit back and look at it that way.
So now that I've ignored work composing that, I should probably go away.
Well said.
I think the Bruins left a good deal of talent and effort in the reserve tank, and that annoys me. That being said, Montreal played well and certainly well enough to win the series. It's not like the Bruins bowed out in 7 games to a high school JV squad. The Canadiens are a very good team, and better than I thought they were (not afraid to say it).
This was not a 1 game playoff where a fluke could determine who goes home, but rather two weeks of a fight that Boston lost simply because Montreal was the better team.
What happened this season reminded me of how razor thin the pendulum from success and failure is. In 2011 we were in the exact same situation and only an OT goal saved us . Looking at the game log of course Montreal tied it late in the third on a pp goal from Subban and Horty scored 5 minutes into OT.. So what if we don't get that goal how many changes would have been made? That magical run probably delayed some decisions that are now going to be made, such as breaking up the Merlot line, decisions about Mcquaid, Iggy, Marchand defensive depth etc. I wouldn't trade that Cup for anything I am just pointing out how thin the razor's edge is between success and failure in sports.
Rebel Bruin
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Maybe the Bruins totally underestimated the Habs.
This will not happen next year!
Just because we lost the series does not mean Montreal was the better team, that's a load of crap. Even if they outworked us in the last 2 games dosen't mean they deserved to win. I look at who outchanced who and it was us by a considerable amount, Montreal was flat out lucky that we hit so many goalposts/crossbars, that has nothing to do with being the better team, that's pure BS luck. Furthermore they got all the " breaks " when it came to officiating, the back to back OT penalties in game 1 and don't even get me going again on the game 7 officiating. Outside of the lucky Bergeron bounce goal we were snakebitten this whole series, so please stop with the Habs were the better team just because they won nonsense.
I agree that Boston hit more posts than I would have liked, and luck was not with them, but I can't pin 4 losses on luck. No way. Even in game 7 they were down by 1 goal for the majority of the game and couldn't get anything doing.
Montreal almost entirely prevented the Bruins from playing anything remotely close to the usual Bruins style of hockey. After 7 games there is not a single player for the Bruins that stands out to me as having a great series. Montreal on the other hand, several stand out performers, Subban, Price, freaking Dale Weise.
I think Boston is the better team, but they sure as hell didn't play like it over the course of that series and it bit them in the ass.
bobber
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Montreal did a better job blocking shots and protecting Price. They capitalized on their chances where the Bruins missed on several opportunities. Sometimes in these tight games you need a hero. A player that can step up in a series and beat opponents one on one to create chances. The Bruins never had that guy. The Bruins are one of the best teams in the league at moving the puck out of their own end. The Habs seem to focus on that and used speed to fore check and cause turn overs. I still thing the Bruins need to add an element of speed into their system.
Minny Shinny
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Congrats. Your Bruin team is leading the moral victories category.
Meanwhile, the rest of us will be watching that freaking team play the Rangers on Saturday.
OldScool
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A part of me is glad that Montreal won. Why? Because they played with more heart, more passion, more effort and I respect that. The Bruins are probably a better team but Montreal wanted it more and thats what makes hockey great. Its about effort, drive and heart and Montreal clearly had more of that in the series and deserved to move on.
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